How do you FIX the Warriors?

[POPEYE]

Ad hominem



When Bellamy moved to Melbourne to coach in 2003, his first grade experience as head coach consisted of a "Baby Broncos" game in 2002 due to Wayne Bennett being on State of Origin duty. So Melbourne did not attract one of the best coaches in the game, they bought a nobody coach, who became a somebody while there and coaching one of the greatest spines seen in club rugby league if not rep footy with a plethora of rep forwards that was assembled by cheating the salary cap!

Bellamy has become a best coach during a tenure of guiding 4 (Inglis, Cronk, Smith and Slater), then reduced to 3, of the most gifted players rugby league has ever seen with a plethora of able rep quality forwards in a team that was assembled with wide spread salary cap rorting. Do you really need a list of the forwards, both Kiwi and Australian rep players (and even mere Origin players too), he has had in stable since the cheating began? Do you really think that without cheating the Melbourne could have attracted the Big 3, and all those rep forwards? Both then and now wanting to play at Melbourne in a winning side to increase their next contract value. 2 or 3 years or more at Melbourne with Cronk, Smith and Slater makes their next contract to a new club a whole lot tastier.

Is Bellamy one of the best coaches now? Arguably looks that way - when he has Smith, Cronk and Slater with players like Bromwich, Procter and Harris. (That is a lot of that Kiwis pack you are so fond of).

How did he go in Origin without that Big 4 or Big 3? Oh that is right - awful. He lost 7 matches out of 9. Maybe Mel Meninga is a better coach than Bellamy.

Is Bellamy one of the best coaches?

Possibly. But to be honest, I do not know for sure. He has some good and arguably technical set plays, but he has outstanding cattle to execute them successfully.

Let us see how he goes at his next club, or post Slater, Smith and Cronk.



I did not know Robson, the current halfback, was a Kiwi. Nor the first halfback, Brandy Alexander. Or many in between.




Hey look, if Cooper Cronk wants to join the Warriors, most fans I imagine would be keen for it. I would like to see Shaun Johnson playing outside him. Be great entertainment. Cameron Smith or Billy Slater would add some valuable depth around the place, too.

If Jesse Bromwich, Tohu Harris or Kevin Procter want to come and play for the Warriors, I am sure they will be welcomed by Warriors fans too.


Hey Pops, you should get your facts right before resorting to name callin' in future.

Tosser

 

[Iron Lion]

Tired of having his basic factual errors being noted in the Warriors forum, Iron Lion tries his empty bollocks elsewhere.

This is a mature conversation on the Warriors Dr Crance. Maybe you can contribute to this topic properly or go back to ironing your Mums XXXL underwear.

 

[sensesmaybenumbed]

Tosser

C'mon pops. I'd expect better than that from you in response to a series of well made points based on facts.

 

[POPEYE]

C'mon pops. I'd expect better than that from you in response to a series of well made points based on facts.

You of all people should know my arguments against those points, they have been documented on here numerous times. He may have the the excuse of not reading Red Faces but you most certainly don't, for you to declare his points of view as facts would make you a bigger f**king tosser than he is imo

Methinks you're merely taking the piss because you have an audience, a quiet one albeit, so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. After all, it's only a matter of opinions we have on subjects and of each other . . . I haven't found Gunga Din in this forum

 

[Cloudsurfer]

Ad hominem



When Bellamy moved to Melbourne to coach in 2003, his first grade experience as head coach consisted of a "Baby Broncos" game in 2002 due to Wayne Bennett being on State of Origin duty. So Melbourne did not attract one of the best coaches in the game, they bought a nobody coach, who became a somebody while there and coaching one of the greatest spines seen in club rugby league if not rep footy with a plethora of rep forwards that was assembled by cheating the salary cap!

Bellamy has become a best coach during a tenure of guiding 4 (Inglis, Cronk, Smith and Slater), then reduced to 3, of the most gifted players rugby league has ever seen with a plethora of able rep quality forwards in a team that was assembled with wide spread salary cap rorting. Do you really need a list of the forwards, both Kiwi and Australian rep players (and even mere Origin players too), he has had in stable since the cheating began? Do you really think that without cheating the Melbourne could have attracted and kept the Big 3, and all those rep forwards? Both then and now wanting to play at Melbourne in a winning side to increase their next contract value. 2 or 3 years or more at Melbourne with Cronk, Smith and Slater makes their next contract to a new club a whole lot tastier.

Is Bellamy one of the best coaches now? Arguably looks that way - when he has Smith, Cronk and Slater with players like Bromwich, Procter and Harris. (That is a lot of that Kiwis pack you are so fond of).

How did he go in Origin without that Big 4 or Big 3? Oh that is right - awful. He lost 7 matches out of 9. Maybe Mel Meninga is a better coach than Bellamy.

Is Bellamy one of the best coaches?

Possibly. But to be honest, I do not know for sure. He has some good and arguably technical set plays, but he has outstanding cattle to execute them successfully.

Let us see how he goes at his next club, or post Slater, Smith and Cronk.


I did not know Robson, the current halfback, was a Kiwi. Nor the first halfback, Brandy Alexander. Or many in between.

Hey look, if Cooper Cronk wants to join the Warriors, most fans I imagine would be keen for it. I would like to see Shaun Johnson playing outside him. Be great entertainment. Cameron Smith or Billy Slater would add some valuable depth around the place, too.

If Jesse Bromwich, Tohu Harris or Kevin Procter want to come and play for the Warriors, I am sure they will be welcomed by Warriors fans too.

Hey Pops, you should get your facts right before resorting to name callin' in future.

Are you saying that spine was already the best at age 18 when they started at Melbourne? I doubt it - talent yes, but how would anyone know the rest back then? Bellamy is the coach that developed/ nurtured them and with experience gained along the way that they took on board & learnt from, they became the best. Stop trying to make out they came to Storm already done...

Same with those Kiwi forwards - Harris played SG Ball for Storm & he'd be the first to acknowledge he has learnt all about RL at the Storm under Bellamy. Similar to the Bromwich brothers and Proctor. None of them were Kiwis at 18, came to the Storm at a young age and developed into the players they are today.

And before you blame Bellamy for picking off that talent from other clubs, it was the keen eye of the late Darren Bell who was the Storm's recruiter for the period of time that saw Jesse Bromwich, Kenny, Kevin, Tohu and many others besides, don Storm colours for the first time.

 

[JJ]

First and foremost, Johnson HAS to be at halfback. Literally half the sets the Warriors had Johnson barely touched the ball. Not the right structure.

Robson could be a decent utility hooker off the bench if need be.

Did you watch the Warriors last year?

Johnson was half back (i.e., wore #7 which seems to be what you're saying) and we had the same stuff with Townsend dominating

It's either the coach's plan - the coach is a dud so that could be true

Or Johnson's just being Johnson - week-to-week consistency has never been his go

Could be he lacks confidence on his leg - but same on field stuff happened last year (excuse was too much football then) - so I lean towards one of the two above...

Personally I think we need a good coach, and Johnson (along with some others) needs to hear a few home truths - 4 really good games in the season isn't good enough

 

[Pierced Soul]

some sort of accountability is obviously needed. then again when you play ayshford ahead of hurrel you'd be thinking the coach is looking for a payout.

i'm wondering whether the warriors players would do better with a coach who does more "man management" like bennett as opposed to a "normal coach" . they've got the skills and ability, just dont have the mental toughness to stay in the fight or keep their heads in the game

 

[Babyface O'reilly]

Lots of naturally talented players but they could use some forwards in the merkin class to give them some grit. Thaiday, Gallen, JWH or even Ennis type of players. Cleary coming back should be the first fix, though.

 

[POPEYE]

Did you watch the Warriors last year?

Johnson was half back (i.e., wore #7 which seems to be what you're saying) and we had the same stuff with Townsend dominating

It's either the coach's plan - the coach is a dud so that could be true

Or Johnson's just being Johnson - week-to-week consistency has never been his go

Could be he lacks confidence on his leg - but same on field stuff happened last year (excuse was too much football then) - so I lean towards one of the two above...

Personally I think we need a good coach, and Johnson (along with some others) needs to hear a few home truths - 4 really good games in the season isn't good enough

The question has to be asked, why did Townsend leave the Warriors. I said this week I didn't rate he or Barba highly but after the Dragons game I'm not so sure about Townsend. In the first half Maloney appeared uncomfortable but when he and Townsend clicked a combination was born

If the Warriors had re-hired Maloney and kept Townsend, put Johnson in the Centre where he belongs as an opportunist , what do people here imagine would be the outcome. Townsend obviously has not been able to work with Johnson

 

[JJ]

The question has to be asked, why did Townsend leave the Warriors. I said this week I didn't rate he or Barba highly but after the Dragons game I'm not so sure about Townsend. In the first half Maloney appeared uncomfortable but when he and Townsend clicked a combination was born

If the Warriors had re-hired Maloney and kept Townsend, put Johnson in the Centre where he belongs as an opportunist , what do people here imagine would be the outcome. Townsend obviously has not been able to work with Johnson

I believe Townsend's mother in law has a terminal illness, so he wanted to return to Sydney

As to Johnson's best position, I guess there are questions - he does love wearing #7 though

 

[POPEYE]

I believe Townsend's mother in law has a terminal illness, so he wanted to return to Sydney

As to Johnson's best position, I guess there are questions - he does love wearing #7 though

Could be no better excuse than that

 

[Mr Angry]

According to one person with sand in their vagina

The guys mother in law has a terminal illness so he wanted to go home to be with his family...

 

[KeepingTheFaith]

Johnson never has or will be a centre and for good reason.

And yes, Townsend left because his mother in law was battling with cancer.

I can understand people questioning Ayshford over Hurrell, but players like Hurrell are the big reason why we're inconsistent. Ayshford isn't the answer, but Hurrell up until this point certainly hasn't been either.

 

[Different kind of Rabbit]

They should have beaten the Broncos the other night. When the game was in the balance and could have gone either way they had a few key sets that finished with Johnson taking some terrible options.

He's a good footballer, has loads of talent and at times he has looked an absolute world beater. Just at the moment though he is horribly out of form and I think he is really feeling the pressure.

If it were me... I'd drop him for a week or two. Send him back to Reggies to get his confidence back and in turn, make the first grade side learn to play without him for a couple of weeks.

This would also draw a line in the sand and let the playing group as a whole know that no one is safe from the axe. If you have a run of bad form, you can find yourself playing reserve grade.

I know you'll probably all think that I'm mad but honestly, I think it'd be the best thing for all involved at this stage of the year.

 

[POPEYE]

Johnson never has or will be a centre and for good reason.

And yes, Townsend left because his mother in law was battling with cancer.

I can understand people questioning Ayshford over Hurrell, but players like Hurrell are the big reason why we're inconsistent. Ayshford isn't the answer, but Hurrell up until this point certainly hasn't been either.

Give us the reason

 

[JJ]

According to one person with sand in their vagina

And now there's sand in yours...

Take a deep breath and visualise Stacey ;-)

 

[Frailty]

For all the crap McFadden cops (and a lot of it is justified), when you have multiple coaches failing to get a playing group going - then you need to start looking at the core of that playing group.

 

[Dr Crane]

This is a mature conversation on the Warriors Dr Crance.

Sure, in fact...

Maybe you can contribute to this topic properly or go back to ironing your Mums XXXL underwear.

...oh. I hope your loved ones (if any) get cancer and die painfully.

 

[Mr Angry]

And now there's sand in yours...

Take a deep breath and visualise Stacey ;-)

:lol:

 

[Mogsheen Jadwat]

No kava until a premiership is won.