How the west would win - Cup means new stadium

[Misanthrope]

Sydney would have three World Cup venues - ANZ Stadium at Homebush Bay, the Sydney Football Stadium and the Blacktown site - compared with Melbourne's sole site, the Melbourne Cricket Ground.

I was under the impression that FIFA did not allow more than two venues in any one city. Has that changed?

Why bother using the MCG when we could just expand the new Rectangular Stadium? As many have said, the MCG is a God awful place to watch football.

 

[Perth Red]

Perth will get a new mp stadium if we get the WC, as backward as our Govt is even they realise it is a golden chance to get a new ground for little $'s and the backlash would be so great they won't risk it. Eagles are crying out for a new ground and they have justification given the number of people waiting to become ticketed members.

re NRL disruption, how about playing a few rounds like the Millenium Magic Weekend in England? Play a full round in Perth at MES, a full round at Etihad etc etc.

 

[Timbo]

I was under the impression that FIFA did not allow more than two venues in any one city. Has that changed?

Why bother using the MCG when we could just expand the new Rectangular Stadium? As many have said, the MCG is a God awful place to watch football.

I think that's still true, I think what it is is that they will submit these venues to FIFA and seek approval on which to use.

The foundations of the new stadium in Melbourne were built to expand to 50,000. The one-piece wanktastic roof on the other hand was not and would cost a bajillion dollars to rebuild.

 

[Goddo]

The Multi-Pupose/upgrade of Subiaco stadium here in Perth was put on hold by the accidental premier for at least 2 years and he seems to be sticking by it.

Members Equity Stadium will apparently be getting upgraded with work to start in August this year (not set in stone yet and waiting for the budget announcement). That will take MES to 27,000 capacity but obviously does nothing for a possible World Cup hosting situation

True, but on Offsiders on Sunday, Roy and another jurno mentioned that a +60k will be built on the land next to Subiaco oval and partly ontop of Subiaco Oval as part of the Federal Gov/FFA/AFL/NRL/ARU agreement from last week. That is the Stadium WA development.

Everyone wants it, and it is the only stadium plan for WA that meets the requirements of all parties. We need a stadium over 60k for the WC in Perth. AFL wants a stadium around 60-70k. Soccer and Rugby want a big rectangular stadium for internationals. Stadium WA is the only option.

The reason it hasn't been publicly revived is that Colin Barnet doesn't want to lose face over the issue after all the crap he has said over the last few years. He is trying to change his "progressive rebuild" policy retoric to fit the Stadium WA plan. Google all his interviews on this issue. The bloke is a flip flopping clown but doesn't want to be seen as such. The Feds, FFA and AFL will make it happen.

On ME Stadium, they want to build Skilled Stadium, but the council who owns the stadium wants a big wad of cash for handing it over to the State government to build roads and other infrastructure around the stadium. The State gov thinks this is a load of Sh!t and might not pay.

On the MRS, its been said 1000 times. Its too expensive to rebuild the joint to 50k. Might happen 30 years from now, but not for the WC. Melbourne and the insular AFL mean the "Sporting Capital of the World" will get what it deserves... Pool matches in Geelong and the MCG, a semi final or 3/4 play off.

As far as Sydney having 3 venues goes, it will be put forward as seperate cities, as "Blacktown" and "Sydney" sort of thing.

 

[m0nty]

Isn't Mike Rann the bloke from South Australia?

 

[Timbo]

True, but on Offsiders on Sunday, Roy mentioned that a +60k will be built on the land next to Subiaco oval and partly ontop of Subiaco Oval as part of the Federal Gov/FFA/AFL/NRL/ARU agreement from last week. That is the Stadium WA development.

Everyone wants it, and it is the only stadium plan for WA that meets the requirements of all parties. We need a stadium over 60k for the WC in Perth. AFL wants a stadium around 60-70k. Soccer and Rugby want a big rectangular stadium for internationals. Stadium WA is the only option.

The reason it hasn't been publicly revived is that the Mike Rann doesn't want to lose face over the issue after all the crap he has said over the last few years. He is trying to change his "progressive rebuild" policy retoric to fit the Stadium WA plan. Google all his interviews on this issue. The bloke is a flip flopping clown but doesn't want to be seen as such. The Feds, FFA and AFL will make it happen.

On ME Stadium, they want to build Skilled Stadium, but the council who owns the stadium wants a big wad of cash for handing it over to the State government to build roads and other infrastructure around the stadium. The State gov thinks this is a load of Sh!t and might not pay.

Wait, where are you talking about? Mike Rann is the Premier of South Australia - and he has been flip flopping on this issue.

 

[Greenbits]

Manuka is unsuitable. Would be better of with a spit and shine of other venues such as Seiffert or Vikings park.

Alternatively, if the new stadium is built next door to the current stadium, the current stadium should still be able to be used.

 

[Timbo]

Manuka is unsuitable. Would be better of with a spit and shine of other venues such as Seiffert or Vikings park.

Alternatively, if the new stadium is built next door to the current stadium, the current stadium should still be able to be used.

We've used it before. Not saying we go there full time, but it works if the draw is done so we only host 3 odd home games during that time.

 

[chrisc101]

For mine, I think AFL gains more than anyone.

MCG will be upgraded, ANZ will still be multipurpose, New multipurpose big stadium for Perth, Adelaide Oval, Gold Coast, current Canberra Stadium turned back into an oval, Geelong, and I read somewhere that they will get the showground redevelopment in some form.

For us, we get:

ANZ rectangularisable, slightly bigger Suncorp, Multipurpose Perth maybe for the odd origin, the current proposal for a 30k ish rectangular stadium to be built in Perth, SFS will get a spit shine, a too big Townsville, Newcastle, Canberra, and a stadium in the middle of nowhere in Blacktown.

We need more, I think soccer needs more too. I hope the training venues see some good deals for us. Belmore upgrade as a sports science and training venue for the Dogs is a start.

Spot on, they get alot more out of it!! And the killer for us is that we get NOTHING in expansion states, so come SOO time and we want to play it in Perth, the AFL will roll out the usual Etihad Stadium line of 'sorry we can't put it into retangular mode'.

Unfortunately I don't think we have the political pull to change this, our only hope is the FFA is forced to rethink the whole 'legacy' part of their bid by FIFA, which I believe FIFA put a strong emphasis on.

 

[Goddo]

Stadium WA is dead, the Subiaco redevelopment is barely cup acceptable (and on hold for that matter) and MES is going to get a cursory upgrade taking it to Super 15, A-League and NRL standard - not FIFA.

Truthfully, taking the stadium debacle in Perth into account and the distance Perth is from the other host cities, I would not be shocked if when FIFA culls the venues (you need to submit more venues than you need in the bid book, then FIFA decided which will be the final 10) they cut Perth out entirely.

Wrong.

http://www.abc.net.au/sport/offsiders/

The jurno in the pink shirt said that the Federal Government will only give money to WA to redevelop subiaco for the WC if its the Stadium WA plan: "On the parcel of land next to Subiaco oval and partly on the current stadium". That is not the progressive rebuild the WA government have been promoting.

It looks like Stadium WA is back, only no one has publicly used that name for it to keep Colin Barnet happy. I ment Colin Barnett earlier too, not Mike Rann. I think I had his name in my head because of the SA election. Sorry for confusion.

 

[Goddo]

Wait, where are you talking about? Mike Rann is the Premier of South Australia - and he has been flip flopping on this issue.

Sorry got my premiers mixed up. Colin Barnett is the merkin I ment. But they are both nufties, so I guess its easy to get them mixed up.

 

[Timbo]

Look, I really hope you're right but Barnett has been so adamant about the Stadium WA thing.

I just have very little hope for it.

 

[Goddo]

The pressure from other organisations is increasingly making his opinion null. I have no doubt it will happen now. They have given him an ultimatum. Either adopt the Stadium WA plan, or you get no federal funding.

I was starting to think the bid was dead and burried with the whole Etihad thing, but we are back. Quatar are in a desert, Japan and Korea held it in 2002, Indonesia is out, Mexico is out, the Europeans will fight it out for 2018 (England, Belgium/Holand, Spain/Portugal, Russia).

Only real threat now is the USA, who dispite having huge stadiums and a big economy and advertising $, have some serious failings with their bid. Eg, no legacy at all, holding the cup not so long ago, visa rules for entering the states. And we have benefits they don't, being in asia, not previously hosting, cultural experience (which FIFA love to sell), track record with events.

I think will be England 2018, Australia 2022.

 

[jargan83]

True, but on Offsiders on Sunday, Roy mentioned that a +60k will be built on the land next to Subiaco oval and partly ontop of Subiaco Oval as part of the Federal Gov/FFA/AFL/NRL/ARU agreement from last week. That is the Stadium WA development.

Everyone wants it, and it is the only stadium plan for WA that meets the requirements of all parties. We need a stadium over 60k for the WC in Perth. AFL wants a stadium around 60-70k. Soccer and Rugby want a big rectangular stadium for internationals. Stadium WA is the only option.

The reason it hasn't been publicly revived is that Mike Rann doesn't want to lose face over the issue after all the crap he has said over the last few years. He is trying to change his "progressive rebuild" policy retoric to fit the Stadium WA plan. Google all his interviews on this issue. The bloke is a flip flopping clown but doesn't want to be seen as such. The Feds, FFA and AFL will make it happen.

On ME Stadium, they want to build Skilled Stadium, but the council who owns the stadium wants a big wad of cash for handing it over to the State government to build roads and other infrastructure around the stadium. The State gov thinks this is a load of Sh!t and might not pay.

The Multi-Purpose stadium was the 60,000 seat stadium that was planned to be built on the land next to Subiaco Oval. That was scrapped by Colin Barnett in Febuary last year, the original plan was for it to be three quarters done 2014 with the remaining quarter being built on the demolished Subiaco Oval to be completed in 2016. In order to get the West Australian Fumbleball Commision to surrender the lease to Subiaco Oval (which they have at $1 a year) the Government negotiated some form of secret deal with the AFL and the WAFC and none of the deatils of it have been released even though the Stadium has been put on the backburner with no decision until 2012 but we may go to the polls again before then.

The progressive re-build of Subiaco Oval that the WAFC originally favoured will not qualify for Federal funding which I think you are referring to above, which will probably force the Government's hand. I also wonder what conditions will be on the Federal funding given that it was widely speculated that the WAFC would have eventually been running the new stadium.

I agree that it is the only option for Perth, it is wanted by the public and Soccer and Rugby do want it for Internationals. It will happen eventually the timing is the only thing that is up in the air. The people of WA could have just re-elected the previous Labour Government and the Stadium WA would be well under way now

Town of Vincent (the council with the lease on MES) is playing hardball, given the facilites around MES currently probably not a bad thing, the parking immediately around the ground is terrible street parking is not allowed on game day by the same council. None of the streets are up to standard to cater for a major event, it is bad enough watching 18,000 people leaving a Western Force game

The pressure from other organisations is increasingly making his opinion null. I have no doubt it will happen now. They have given him an ultimatum. Either adopt the Stadium WA plan, or you get no federal funding.

The only thing that may be holding him back from commiting state funds to the Stadium project at this time is the "Roylaties for Regions" scheme that he agreed to in order to form government with the National party

 

[babyg]

Origin would work at the MCG and NZ. Could take a heap of NRL game to NZ.

 

[Firey_Dragon]

Yep, can't see what a Blacktown ground like this gets our game? Something for Wests or Canterbury in their current catchment areas would have been better in return for messing up our season to accommodate soccer games.

20 minute drive from both Parramatta and Penrith. I would have thought it is still reasonably well positioned for some of the teams. It's not ideal, but it's still easy enough to get to. It's no further out of the way for Cantebury catchment area than Homebush is for Souths by road (not distance, but travel time).

 

[BIKER_DRAGON]

A piss poor pathetic 45000 capacity, Why don't these brain dead oxygen thieves think a little further into the future when our population is going to be far greater and build these stadiums with roof cover and seating for 120,000 to 150,000 too bloody easy for realists.....But a far greater challenge for blind geniuss that can't see past there own noses and have the foresight of fleas.

 

[Firey_Dragon]

A piss poor pathetic 45000 capacity, Why don't these brain dead oxygen thieves think a little further into the future when our population is going to be far greater and build these stadiums with roof cover and seating for 120,000 to 150,000 too bloody easy for realists.....But a far greater challenge for blind geniuss that can't see past there own noses and have the foresight of fleas.

Awesome idea, grounds look great that size when you have 20,000 fans in attendance, they're also really cheap to maintain as well :roll:

 

[Bluebags1908]

A 40,000 seat rectangular only stadium in Blacktown would be excellent. Parramatta and Penrith will never leave their current stadiums, but I can see each team playing 3 home games a year at Blacktown rectangular stadium with the remaning 9 home games each and Parramatta and Penrith respectively. So that's 6 games a year at Blacktown stadium which is a good number for blockbusters at the higher capacity venue.

The Parra vs Saints season opener for example would be taken to Blacktown instaed of the small capacity Parramatta Stadium or the too large ANZ Stadium.

And that's not including Parramatta and Penrith home finals which would be taken there as well.

Makes sense to have Parramatta vs Penrith games played there too.

Penrith could even consider changing their name to 'Penrith-Blacktown Panthers' (but still called 'Penrith' for short along the lines of 'Canterbury-Bankstown' or 'Cronulla-Sutherland' or 'Manly-Warringah'), as most of the junior clubs in the Blacktown area fall under the Penrith Junior League.

 

[BIKER_DRAGON]

Awesome idea, grounds look great that size when you have 20,000 fans in attendance, they're also really cheap to maintain as well :roll:

Little mans syndrome at it's best.:lol: