How will RICHMOND fare in 2006?

[CyberKev]

I've been waiting to rip this one apart, your post was in response to me saying Wallace built the Dogs team...

Footscray 22

Daniel Giansiracusa - Drafted 99
Brad Johnson - Debuted 94
Nathan Eagleton - Traded to Dogs in 99 Draft
Jordan McMahon - Drafted 2000
Rohan Smith - Debuted 92
Daniel Cross - Drafted 2000
Scott West - Debuted 93
Adam Cooney - Drafted 2003
Ryan Hargrave - Drafted 99
Lindsay Gilbee - Drafted 99
Mitchell Hahn - Drafted 99
Ryan Griffen - Drafted 04
Robert Murphy - Drafted 99
Chris Grant - Debuted back in the stone age
Matthew Boyd - Drafted 2003
Matthew Robbins - Traded to Dogs in 97 Draft
Wayde Skipper - Drafted 2000
Will Minson - Drafted 2002
Brian Harris - Drafted 2001
Sam Power - Drafted 2001
Dale Morris - Drafted 2004
Adam Morgan - Post Wallace
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12 of the 22 players who destroyed us on Friday night were TW era recruits. Now are you still going to tell me that the Wallace era at the Dogs did not have a significant effect on where the Bulldogs currently stand?



It is also drawing an exceptionally long bow to suggest Wallace wouldn't have drafted players such as Cooney & Griffen had he still been there given his love affair with midfielders.

Hawthorn people can say what they like. Wallace DID build this Footscray team.

Once again, shoulda done your homework my friend before attacking my statements...

Hmmm, didn't see this post until now.

As I suspected, pretty much half the dogs top 22 were either there before Wallace or after him, and the other half were recruited by Scott Clayton and have taken years to come on.

Wallace still ran from a crushed dogs saying that the club was a dud gig that was going nowhere, which indicates he wasn't performing up to scratch at the Hounds and lacked confidence in his players. Hardly the comments of a man who deserves specific credit for events occuring 4 years after his unsavoury departure from the club. He also made it clear in the press that he was a poor recruiter, hence his need to get smarter heads around him to assist with this.

Perhaps Eade is just better at getting the best out of players although, it should be said, the Bulldogs are yet to achieve anything of note.

 

[meltiger]

What a bunch of sh*t Kev.

It's as simple as that.

 

[meltiger]

How about next time we play Sydney we play them in Penrith.

As long as the Swans can play without their entire senior backline.


Then we'll see how good they really are...

 

[chileman]

As long as the Swans can play without their entire senior backline.


Then we'll see how good they really are...

:alcho: Sorry it had to be Richmond Mel but what can I say.....what a win

 

[meltiger]

I wouldn't necesarily say that.

Simple tactics, from the outset, it was abundantly clear the Richmond 'backline' was not able to stop Sydney in any way shape or form.

With no Ray Hall on the park, it was left to the likes of Shane Tuck etc to play on Goodes, Roos sent him to the goal square and that basically took away any chance Richmond had of getting any drive out of the midfield.

Everytime the ball came forward, Sydney flooded like crazy, once the ball came back on the rebound, the undermanned Richmond backline was zero chance of making any of these forays a contest.


Good coaching? & bad coaching respectively? Most definately. A fantastic win? I doubt it, any team in the League would have pounded us by a minimum of 80 points yesterday.

 

[CyberKev]

I doubt it, any team in the League would have pounded us by a minimum of 80 points yesterday.

LOL.

Try telling Essendon that.

And from a Hawthorn perspective, I doubt we could have kicked a score of 80 much less won by that amount, given Saturday night's form.

 

[chileman]

I wouldn't necesarily say that.

Of course you wouldn't amigo cause you lost ;-) :-({|=

 

[meltiger]

LOL.

Try telling Essendon that.

And from a Hawthorn perspective, I doubt we could have kicked a score of 80 much less won by that amount, given Saturday night's form.

If Hawthorn had Croad on the park to deal with Richo, and Hawthorn sent Roughead and Franklin to the forward line, who would we have played on Roughead and Franklin?

If the Scummers had Lloyd & Fletcher on the park, who would have played on Lloyd?

You cannot play a game at this level, without a backline. It's as simple as that.

 

[meltiger]

Of course you wouldn't amigo cause you lost ;-) :-({|=

Meh, after R1 I was dirty as hell, that was unacceptable. Saturdays game ... Nothing could be done.

What makes me angry, is I pick up the paper this morning and I read biased journalists complaining about the fact Essendon had no Lloyd, Fletcher & Hird got injured during the game. Very little about how Carlton were just better than their f**king poor opposition, just excuse after excuse after f**king excuse.

Yet what do we hear after Saturday's game? The Swans were fantastic, Richmond were sh*t blah blah blah

Yet no mention of the fact we went into the game without our entire (yes every single one of them out - Schulz, Thursfield, Gaspar, Kellaway, Hall) senior backline.

Why do the media continue to make excuses for some, clearly bad teams, yet ignore the raging structural weakness of another team?

It's the double standard that annoys me. Essendon are sh*t and should be treated as such.

 

[meltiger]

I must say I'm actually prepared to accept the poundings, so long as it's a part of the rebuild, which it was on Saturday.

St Kilda did it, Geelong did it, Footscray did it, Hawthorn most recently are a prime example of going through it and now it's our turn.

I'm just tired of excuses being made for the Bombers every single week.

At least on a positive, if they continue to think they are better than what they are ... They will stay down for longer than needed

 

[CyberKev]

I'm just tired of excuses being made for the Bombers every single week.

It wasn't that long ago that Bomber tragics were condescendingly telling me all about how Essendon always played finals and would never need to hit the depths of the ladder to rebuild.

Now here they are facing a second straight season in the bottom four.

Kangaroo fans have been equally as patronising recently, its just that there's fewer of them.

I'm thinking a much needed does of humility might be coming the Kangaroos way as well.

 

[lockyno1]

It wasn't that long ago that Bomber tragics were condescendingly telling me all about how Essendon always played finals and would never need to hit the depths of the ladder to rebuild.

Now here they are facing a second straight season in the bottom four.

Most realistic Bombers fans were predicting a rebuilding phase in our history. I am happy we are giving the kids a go and look forward to those priority picks!

 

[meltiger]

Most realistic Bombers fans were predicting a rebuilding phase in our history. I am happy we are giving the kids a go and look forward to those priority picks!

There is only 2 teams that can qualify for Priority Picks, Hawthorn & Carlton.

The rules have changed now.

 

[meltiger]

& I seriously doubt Hawthorn will lose every single one of their remaining games so they wont either

 

[lockyno1]

There is only 2 teams that can qualify for Priority Picks, Hawthorn & Carlton.

The rules have changed now.

You serious? Don't you qualify if you lose less than 5 games or something? I went away over summer so I probally missed it!

 

[meltiger]

You do ... If you do it twice, over two consecutive years.

 

[CyberKev]

You do ... If you do it twice, over two consecutive years.

Isn't the new rule that you can't win more than 4 over consecutive years?

In which case, Hawthorn is out because we won 5 last year.

Only Carlton is a chance this year, as I read it.

 

[meltiger]

Didn't you get a priority last year???

That would lead me to beleive at this point, Hawthorn are still eligible.


Of course win one more game and that would change.

 

[chileman]

I must say I'm actually prepared to accept the poundings, so long as it's a part of the rebuild, which it was on Saturday.

St Kilda did it, Geelong did it, Footscray did it, Hawthorn most recently are a prime example of going through it and now it's our turn.

I'm just tired of excuses being made for the Bombers every single week.

At least on a positive, if they continue to think they are better than what they are ... They will stay down for longer than needed

Warrick Capper, Dr Edelsten, the 80's ......now that's a nightmare amigo! :sarcasm:

 

[CyberKev]

Didn't you get a priority last year???

That would lead me to beleive at this point, Hawthorn are still eligible.


Of course win one more game and that would change.

Yeah, but the old system was still in place until the end of last season.

The new system came into place for this season, and I'm 99% sure that the ruling is that you can't win more than 4 games for a season (over 2 consecutive seasons) to qualify.

Last year Carlton won 4, so they will still be eligible under the new rule, but we won't be because we won 5.

Although we may be still eligible under the secondary rule, in which a club can get a pick for winning no more than 5 in a single year, but the pick under this rule comes at the end of round 1 and not the start.