Hull FC v Wakey

[JasonE]

Listened to the game on radio, forget the final score it sounded like a great contest until Wakey went down to 11 men in the last ten mins and FC scored 3 tries.

Can Hull make a surge to the SLGF ? they seem to be coming good at the business end of the season.
Bit of a setback for Wakey but hopefully they can still make the playoffs

 

[RLIF]

was something like 42-24....we get the games live here in NZ...was a very good game till the French men and Watene got sent to the bin at the same time...

 

[deluded pom?]

Elima was binned for tackling Gareth Raynor as Raynor was returning the ball to the twenty metre line after catching it on the full in Hull's in goal. Watene was binned for what looked like a high but innocuous tackle. A penalty yes, a bin no. Hull then took full advantage of their numerical superiority and won comfortably. Earlier when it was 13 v 13 Hull looked as if they were trying ther hardest to lose the game. Good defence from Hull was wasted at the next PTB when the attacker skipped out of weak attempts to give Wakey easy yardage which a few moments earlier was looking difficult for them to gain. Hull will be in the shake up but not at OT. They are just not good enough IMO.

 

[Manu Vatuvei]

I was about to start a thread on ESL refereeing.

Is it normal for refs to make outrageous decisions like this? The NRL think we have it bad, but if a ref did what this nutter did he'd never ref a game again.

He sinbinned 2 players within 30 seconds of each other, both for nothing. What could possibly justify that?

 

[Evil Homer]

He was superb compared to Klein on Sunday in the Giants v Bulls game. After sending two men off, Klein played 7 minutes of stoppage time at the end of the game and when the hooter finally did go, he didn't hear it and allowed two more plays after full time. Bradford scored what would have been a winning try as the hooter was going off for the third time but the in-goal judge (along with everyone else in the ground and on the pitch) was shouting to Klein that the match had finished, so he disallowed the try and marched off the pitch leaving nobody with much idea who had won the game. I heard several people say on the way out that it was the worst performance from a ref they had ever seen.

 

[Dutchy]

That sucks...Never get a chance to watch any Wakey games...any way of getting them off the net?

 

[Manu Vatuvei]

He was superb compared to Klein on Sunday in the Giants v Bulls game. After sending two men off, Klein played 7 minutes of stoppage time at the end of the game and when the hooter finally did go, he didn't hear it and allowed two more plays after full time. Bradford scored what would have been a winning try as the hooter was going off for the third time but the in-goal judge (along with everyone else in the ground and on the pitch) was shouting to Klein that the match had finished, so he disallowed the try and marched off the pitch leaving nobody with much idea who had won the game. I heard several people say on the way out that it was the worst performance from a ref they had ever seen.

Is it fashionable to send-off/sin-bin in the ESL at the moment? Has there been a directive encouraging it or something?

 

[Evil Homer]

That sucks...Never get a chance to watch any Wakey games...any way of getting them off the net?

You can watch highlights on the Sky Sports website every week by clicking the little video player to the right of the page. http://www.skysports.com/rugbyleague/


No way to get full games unfortunately.

 

[deluded pom?]

He sinbinned 2 players within 30 seconds of each other, both for nothing. What could possibly justify that?

The Watene one was for persistent high tackles by Wakey and Elima was dumb enough to tackle a player who had caught the ball on the full in his own in goal and was returning the ball to the twenty. The Elima bin was a no argument one. The Watene one might have been a bit harsh. Does it matter how recently the last player was binned if the ref feels a second bin is justified? Wakey were ill disciplined and it cost them a game they could and probably should have won.

 

[Manu Vatuvei]

It was palpably obvious that Elima made the tackle because (a) he didn't hear the whistle, and (b) neither did the Hull player, because he was trying to run the ball out of the in-goal!

If you can't see that you're completely nuts, it was obvious- total neutral speaking here.

Of course it matters how recently the last sinbin was, you can't just draw a line in the sand and then sinbin every player who commits a penalisable offence after that. The game will degenerate into a farce.

I was asking a genuine question about whether the sinbin was "fashionable" in the ESL atm, because the NRL doesn't use the sinbin for foul play. The Watene tackle was very soft and only a borderline penalty, so for an NRL fan it seemed ludicrous when he was sinbinned. Coming the best part of 30 seconds after another ludicrous binning, it was mind-boggling.

 

[deluded pom?]

Of course it matters how recently the last sinbin was, you can't just draw a line in the sand and then sinbin every player who commits a penalisable offence after that. The game will degenerate into a farce.

So if a team gets a man binned then that then gives them an amnesty from further binnings until their man returns! Then the game will degenerate into a farce. If the ref thinks an offence deserves a binning then it doesn't matter if the last binning occured sixty minutes previously or six seconds previously. Your argument is on whether they actually were binning offences or not. If the ref believes they should be binned then they go, no matter how recently the last binning was.

 

[Manu Vatuvei]

But the second one wasn't a binning offence

imo he was binned BECAUSE of the earlier binning

The way it works, imo, is that you go penalty, penalty, penalty, binning or something like that. A certain number of penalties, a warning, and then a binning.

If you go penalty, penalty, penalty, warning, binning, binning, binning, yes, the game will be a farce. It's not a case of a team being given an amnesty, it's simply a case of the punishment for the succession of penalties having already been handed out.

 

[bartman]

Issue of constant binning reminds me of the game a few years back when Harrigan (I think) reffed Parra and Wests.... it happens sometimes, but is usually a sign of a referee not having effectively asserted control from the start.