New Zealand 2 will deal a massive blow to NZ rugby

[Wb1234]

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Nz2 can’t come fast enough

 

[Pippen94]

So who's framing as favourite for nz2?! New stadium means team will all likelihood be based in Christchurch. Kea seems no goer while other bid may have dropped out. Orcas still remain but I think they are too focused on Wellington.

 

[Wb1234]

Warriors ranked 5th and that doesn’t include nz tv viewers which would add another 100k

 

[AlwaysGreen]

Ratings by a boozehound isn't going to influence whether another team from New Zealand comes in.

 

[Wb1234]

Yeh letting him go was a good move

 

[flippikat]

Interesting chat. Remember when we were told that no spark meant Sky would have no competition..?
Is there a single argument that the Union trolls made that holds up?

I recall at the time those comments made, there was no imminent prospect of streaming services getting into NRL coverage for NZ.

We're a comparatively small market, so I can understand it being a tough business case to get "across the line", especially as Spark has struggled and Sky will do everything to keep rugby union - BUT if a streaming company combines the Australian AND NZ markets, it can work.

The landscape is in the process of changing now in Australia, and we could well get drawn into that, which is pretty damn exciting - especially if it means more FTA coverage here in NZ.

It looks like Sky have been trying to pre-empt that by putting more games in sensible timeslots on their FTA channel "Sky Open" (formerly Prime), but it remains to be seen whether the NRL deem it enough.

 

[flippikat]

So who's framing as favourite for nz2?! New stadium means team will all likelihood be based in Christchurch. Kea seems no goer while other bid may have dropped out. Orcas still remain but I think they are too focused on Wellington.

I think the Wellington part of the Orca bid may get them the nod. I can't see the NRL wanting a 3rd NZ team, so if they reason that NZ 2 will cover-off Christchurch AND Wellington they'll consider it "job done" for NZ.

A mistake IMO because I strongly believe Christchurch AND Wellington need to be in the expansion timeline in the next decade or two with their own teams.. but I know Australian leagues are reluctant when it comes to multiple NZ teams.

 

[John bird]

Yeh letting him go was a good move

Guy was a liability in defence but I was still surprised another NRL side didn’t give him a chance.

 

[John bird]

I think the Wellington part of the Orca bid may get them the nod. I can't see the NRL wanting a 3rd NZ team, so if they reason that NZ 2 will cover-off Christchurch AND Wellington they'll consider it "job done" for NZ.

A mistake IMO because I strongly believe Christchurch AND Wellington need to be in the expansion timeline in the next decade or two with their own teams.. but I know Australian leagues are reluctant when it comes to multiple NZ teams.

Bad move for me to potentially involve wellington with Christchurch.

NZ2 needs to be 100% a South Island based team.

 

[flippikat]

Bad move for me to potentially involve wellington with Christchurch.

NZ2 needs to be 100% a South Island based team.

If NZ 2 is focused on the South Island exclusively (say a Christchurch/Dunedin split), it also means the Warriors only have one decent option for "home away from home" games - Wellington.

And I'd be totally on board with that - plus it leaves a bit more scope for a 3rd NZ team, based in Wellington.

 

[Wb1234]

Guy was a liability in defence but I was still surprised another NRL side didn’t give him a chance.

He was a fat Steve Renouf

Now he’s not fat

 

[Pippen94]

If NZ 2 is focused on the South Island exclusively (say a Christchurch/Dunedin split), it also means the Warriors only have one decent option for "home away from home" games - Wellington.

And I'd be totally on board with that - plus it leaves a bit more scope for a 3rd NZ team, based in Wellington.

I don't think there'll ever be a nz3. Two gives derby. NRL wants big markets.

 

[John bird]

If NZ 2 is focused on the South Island exclusively (say a Christchurch/Dunedin split), it also means the Warriors only have one decent option for "home away from home" games - Wellington.

Don’t forget about Hamilton.

And I'd be totally on board with that - plus it leaves a bit more scope for a 3rd NZ team, based in Wellington.

would give you a nice geographical spread if nothing else.

 

[Matiunz]

Don’t forget about Hamilton.

would give you a nice geographical spread if nothing else.

Hamilton is close enough that many people from there make the hour odd drive regularly, whereas Wellington is a similar drive time than say Sydney to Melbourne.
Problem is BOTH ChCh and Wellington are solid options but in reality only one will get the nod, South Island only caters to 20% of the population just north of 1M. Most remaining north islanders will gravitate towards the Warriors but in reality there’s 50% of NZ population that don’t really have a team of their own if NZ2 is South Island. NZ2 being Wellington essentially groups in around 2M in the lower north Island.
3 NZ teams would be the ideal as a combined Wellington/ChCh team is too much to cover but a South Island only team is kinda too small of a market to alienate 80% of NZ population

 

[John bird]

Hamilton is close enough that many people from there make the hour odd drive regularly, whereas Wellington is a similar drive time than say Sydney to Melbourne.
Problem is BOTH ChCh and Wellington are solid options but in reality only one will get the nod, South Island only caters to 20% of the population just north of 1M. Most remaining north islanders will gravitate towards the Warriors but in reality there’s 50% of NZ population that don’t really have a team of their own if NZ2 is South Island. NZ2 being Wellington essentially groups in around 2M in the lower north Island.
3 NZ teams would be the ideal as a combined Wellington/ChCh team is too much to cover but a South Island only team is kinda too small of a market to alienate 80% of NZ population

Christchurch is a decent sized city that’s growing every year and is a sports mad city with amazing new stadium to boot.

from what I’ve heard out of the 3 cities wellington is the less sporty city plus I hate the cake tin!!

 

[Pippen94]

Hamilton is close enough that many people from there make the hour odd drive regularly, whereas Wellington is a similar drive time than say Sydney to Melbourne.
Problem is BOTH ChCh and Wellington are solid options but in reality only one will get the nod, South Island only caters to 20% of the population just north of 1M. Most remaining north islanders will gravitate towards the Warriors but in reality there’s 50% of NZ population that don’t really have a team of their own if NZ2 is South Island. NZ2 being Wellington essentially groups in around 2M in the lower north Island.
3 NZ teams would be the ideal as a combined Wellington/ChCh team is too much to cover but a South Island only team is kinda too small of a market to alienate 80% of NZ population

By the time NZ most likely gets a second NRL 35 years will have passed. Nz3 will never happen. Rivalry will be based on North & South Island dynamic.

 

[John bird]

By the time NZ most likely gets a second NRL 35 years will have passed. Nz3 will never happen. Rivalry will be based on North & South Island dynamic.

I’d more than settle for 2 New Zealand NRL teams.

places will be scarce what with Queensland and Adelaide and maybe even another Melbourne team fighting for franchises.

 

[Gobsmacked]

If NZ 2 is focused on the South Island exclusively (say a Christchurch/Dunedin split), it also means the Warriors only have one decent option for "home away from home" games - Wellington.

And I'd be totally on board with that - plus it leaves a bit more scope for a 3rd NZ team, based in Wellington.

When the Broncos first arrived, they were the Queensland team, then you had the Cowboys which ate up the North making the Broncos more the team for people south of Rockhampton, then we had the GC which pulled back their support south of Beenleigh.. now the Dolphins have their slice.
The Broncos never needed all of Queensland, it was just the default team for those areas not represented.

NZ Warriors ( New Zealand..right?) They're just the default team for Dunedin , Christchurch and the South island because we know the Warriors are based in Auckland.
Once the South Island has a team, people in Wellington will default to either Christchurch or Auckland but it's only until a time passes when they get their own.
The Orcas pitch will be good to get as many on board as possible to get them off the ground.

 

[Gobsmacked]

I’d more than settle for 2 New Zealand NRL teams.

places will be scarce what with Queensland and Adelaide and maybe even another Melbourne team fighting for franchises.

People underestimate the validity of another Melbourne team imo