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I heard a rumour today...

TheRam

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For once, I hope you are wrong.
I have young mouths to feed.

Suity


So do I, big time Suitman. But just to put it simply the school of Austrian economics was closer to being right, and the total inaccurate and failed hypothesis on issuance of money, by people like John Maynard Keynes and Milton Friedman is proving, not for the first time, to be totally & spectacularly wrong and only good for the issuers. Definitely not good for the economy or the people it is meant to serve. If you are interested in knowing more someone like Murray N. Rothbard is a good start.


But this whole economic mess is avoidable and totally fixable quickly if people were more educated. People would be amazed how simple the solutions are. E.g. America's founding fathers like Thomas Jefferson and James Madison were on the right track. ;-)


Sorry, people I know economics bores everyone to no end...but that is the problem and why we are in this mess in the first place. Not many people are interested and the ones that are only looking after themselves.
 

Gronk

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Don't worry about Ram's scaremongering. I have a nice man from Nairobi who is going to wire me $US235M next week. I'll help you all out with a loan.
 

Suitman

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Don't worry about Ram's scaremongering. I have a nice man from Nairobi who is going to wire me $US235M next week. I'll help you all out with a loan.

Cheers mate. :thumb:thumb

I only want a lazy half a mill.

Suity
 

yy_cheng

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Oh no I hope not. The stock market is going to get worse as so is the world economy. We are only at the beginning of a complete economic collapse, and there is no way Fitz & Co have any idea about how to play the stock market at this point in time.


The US dollar has not completely collapsed yet, which I am expecting it to do so, and a crazy dash to gold is still pending. Gold will go beyond $3000. Unemployment will reach the 20%+ e.t.c. This may sound outrages to a lot of people, but it will happen unfortunately.

So unless Fitz buys into hard currency or businesses backed by real asset based values, then forget about it. But I suspect that he is like most and does not understand that within two years the world will be a different place economically. One that will make the great depression look like a picnic. Sorry for the bad news people but this is my learned opinion.

Actually it could rebound the other way for the short term, a correction and then a slow recovery. And the key date is when Obama steps into the oval office.

It's all about confidence and there is no confidence out there but lots of cash on the sidelines waiting.

Oil is down, Interest rates are down, Commodities are down, Equities are down and Banks are cashed up with their Govt's money but not willing to lend it out.

I too think the USD is overvalued as well as the YEN. It is the flight to safety, repatriation of cash and repayment for the carry trade as the reasons as to why they are so strong now.
Like the aussie recently, whatever is high or overpriced has a longer way to fall.

Although alot of traders and fund managers are or will be gone, there are still some there and their aim is to make money. They use fear to force you to sell and buy your (mum's and dad's) shares and then they force the prices up and sell the shares to make money. However, they need the confidence back in the market.

There is alot of Chinese and Saudi money still around the world just waiting. Rio Tinto seems like a target for a Chinese SOE now that BHP has pulled out. Fortesque also.

The Saudis (who makes something like a Billion USD a day) have created a Sovereign fund earlier this year and they are projecting it to grow to $20 Trillion USD.

From what I hear, the markets will take off when the confidence returns and the banks starts lending and that time will begin on 20 Jan, the inauguration of Obama.


However, this does not mean that there will be no world wide recession and the man on the street will struggle or lose his job. But for people with the assets and cash who will invest, in 3-4 years time, they will be laughing.

This is the 10yr Dow Jones chart

http://www.the-privateer.com/chart/dow-long.html

Look at the recovery after each big dip.

I'm not saying we are at bottom yet and who knows where that is but everything is cheap now and all the indicators are there for the market to take off.

The markets are just missing the confidence.
 

Bigfella

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Actually it could rebound the other way for the short term, a correction and then a slow recovery. And the key date is when Obama steps into the oval office.

It's all about confidence and there is no confidence out there but lots of cash on the sidelines waiting.

Oil is down, Interest rates are down, Commodities are down, Equities are down and Banks are cashed up with their Govt's money but not willing to lend it out.

I too think the USD is overvalued as well as the YEN. It is the flight to safety, repatriation of cash and repayment for the carry trade as the reasons as to why they are so strong now.
Like the aussie recently, whatever is high or overpriced has a longer way to fall.

Although alot of traders and fund managers are or will be gone, there are still some there and their aim is to make money. They use fear to force you to sell and buy your (mum's and dad's) shares and then they force the prices up and sell the shares to make money. However, they need the confidence back in the market.

There is alot of Chinese and Saudi money still around the world just waiting. Rio Tinto seems like a target for a Chinese SOE now that BHP has pulled out. Fortesque also.

The Saudis (who makes something like a Billion USD a day) have created a Sovereign fund earlier this year and they are projecting it to grow to $20 Trillion USD.

From what I hear, the markets will take off when the confidence returns and the banks starts lending and that time will begin on 20 Jan, the inauguration of Obama.


However, this does not mean that there will be no world wide recession and the man on the street will struggle or lose his job. But for people with the assets and cash who will invest, in 3-4 years time, they will be laughing.

This is the 10yr Dow Jones chart

http://www.the-privateer.com/chart/dow-long.html

Look at the recovery after each big dip.

I'm not saying we are at bottom yet and who knows where that is but everything is cheap now and all the indicators are there for the market to take off.

The markets are just missing the confidence.

Economists call this the "Jarryd Hayne principle" :lol:
 

bartman

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**puts money under bed**
I'm with you there Fishy.

I just had to select a new Super fund starting a new job, and went for the cash account rate with no shares option. Too much of a gamble seeing what was wiped out of older family members' superannuation nest eggs in the last year or two.
 

yy_cheng

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I'm with you there Fishy.

I just had to select a new Super fund starting a new job, and went for the cash account rate with no shares option. Too much of a gamble seeing what was wiped out of older family members' superannuation nest eggs in the last year or two.

I beg to differ bartman.

New funds should be purchasing equities. The old funds should've been moved out of equities to cash a while back.

In 3 years time, these purchases would appreciate.

The time when you do not want to do that is if you are planning to retire in the next year or so.

But if you still have a while to retirement, investing in shares is what I think made sense.

In 2003 during the SARS period in HK, I invested by pension into shares and by last year it had trippled. I moved half of it out of shares last year but the other half suffered. But I have 20 odd years to retirement
 

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