I would like feedback - Domestic Quota Rule for Internationals

[roughyedspud]

When you start implimenting sit out periods if confuses the shit out of people...working in 4 year lock in periods makes it simple and gives nations a roster from which to plan..

So january 1st 2018 everyone has made a choice that locks em in till after the world cup final in 2021

And how does a domestic player rule hurt smaller nations? It forms part of a development pathway

 

[adamkungl]

4 year lock ins is what I suggested in another thread last week.
It's so simple, clear, obvious.
Make it happen RLIF

Also agree with longer residency and minimum domestic quotas.

 

[hutch]

4 year lock ins is what I suggested in another thread last week.
It's so simple, clear, obvious.
Make it happen RLIF

Also agree with longer residency and minimum domestic quotas.

This is the best alternative I have seen that could be implemented straight away. Still prefer no switching, but we are too soft as a sport.

Somebody email the rlif, arl, NRL, rfl, anybody RL!

 

[roughyedspud]

4 year lock ins is what I suggested in another thread last week.
It's so simple, clear, obvious.
Make it happen RLIF

Also agree with longer residency and minimum domestic quotas.

Ah sorry lad didn't see that,was in las vegas last week...

 

[deluded pom?]

Ah sorry lad didn't see that,was in las vegas last week...

Australia, Las Vegas!! They must be paying you too much 'spud.

 

[roughyedspud]

yep

 

[spinnerhowland]

I have been taking time to think over this and here is my thoughts... 1stly.. I think what you say has merit.. Especially looking at a place like Spain and how they are trying to get things going.. I think though the one place this might hurt is the Pacific Islands where economic immigration and the small size of the people actually living on the Islands make it hard.. Put this together with the fact that players generally want to play for there heritage because there are plenty of Tongan's that grow up in Tongan families who would consider themselves to be Tongans then I think this would be the area it would effect most....

The other thing though is that this idea can't be brought in on it's own.. other things have to be done to make it work.. Including
1. The big leagues need to make pathways and provide support for the growth of developing nations.. eg, Bring in a Fijian team to the NSW cup and look at how something simular can be done for Tonga and Samoa and so on.. Or.. NRL should sponsor domestic leagues in those places.. Consider the pacific Islands the 17th club and spend 8 million a year (2 million for 4 nations) to make a sustainable domestic scene in those places.. ESL should do the same but note that they kind of are through league 1 and letting Canada in..
2. Australia and NZ and England need to play games against the developing nations that have the capacity to get within 50 points of them with their best team.. They also need to play these games in those nations.. How incredible would it be to see a Aus and NZ tour the Pacific Islands one off season!! Both teams take a squad of 30 and play 5 tests in 4 weeks.. win them all.. that's ok but the legacy left behind would be huge!!
3. Fix up the residency rule.. make it 10 years for NZ AUS and Eng and leave it at 3 for the rest for now...
4. RLIF needs to help.. in whatever way it can more games to be played..

So in summary.. I think having a quota can work but it's not all that needs to happen.. I especially see the point of how USA used one group of players to qualify and then most of them didn't actually get to play in the world cup because heritage players took their spots.. If you had half the squad from the US then all their friends and family and teammates would be watching eagerly to see how they go..

I don't see this hurting the PI's at all. To have membership the nation must have met RLIF criteria, and to compete in the WC they must have met even better criteria. This means that in the PI's there are still 100's of admins, coaches and players, who are driving the game forward with their own hard work and money. I have got to believe taking the BEST 8 domestic PI's nation players and putting them in the national team would not lower the standard very much. But it would give a great moral boost to the domestic players and fans base to see some of their own hard work rewarded.

Everyone seems to think the EVERY best PI player is already in OZ. Well the truth is that there must be a domestic comp being played in each nation to start with. And with all the players giving their effort, it might be a chance for 8 (or more) to showcase the standard and provide opportunity after being noticed

 

[roughyedspud]

you're a good man daz..keep pounding away...i'll do the same

 

[deluded pom?]

daz?

 

[roughyedspud]

daz as in daryl.............nevermind

 

[Matua]

I don't see this hurting the PI's at all. To have membership the nation must have met RLIF criteria, and to compete in the WC they must have met even better criteria. This means that in the PI's there are still 100's of admins, coaches and players, who are driving the game forward with their own hard work and money. I have got to believe taking the BEST 8 domestic PI's nation players and putting them in the national team would not lower the standard very much. But it would give a great moral boost to the domestic players and fans base to see some of their own hard work rewarded.

Everyone seems to think the EVERY best PI player is already in OZ. Well the truth is that there must be a domestic comp being played in each nation to start with. And with all the players giving their effort, it might be a chance for 8 (or more) to showcase the standard and provide opportunity after being noticed

How many players do you think there are in the Islands? 6 Samoan based players will weaken their team considerably. The gap in class is astronomical.

Hell, lets even look at NZ, unless the Warriors have 6 players at Kiwis level then we're picking from our budget domestic leagues. All our best players are in the Warriors, or in Australia, the next tier down are in Australia, the next tier under that are too. (FYI - there is one Warrior in the current Kiwis team).

Furthermore, this denies 6 players the chance to represent their country solely because that have to leave their country for employment reasons.

At international level only two countries benefit from a 'domestic' rule and that's Australia and England - was it a Pom who suggested this? ;-)

 

[morningstar]

How many players do you think there are in the Islands? 6 Samoan based players will weaken their team considerably. The gap in class is astronomical.

Hell, lets even look at NZ, unless the Warriors have 6 players at Kiwis level then we're picking from our budget domestic leagues. All our best players are in the Warriors, or in Australia, the next tier down are in Australia, the next tier under that are too. (FYI - there is one Warrior in the current Kiwis team).

Furthermore, this denies 6 players the chance to represent their country solely because that have to leave their country for employment reasons.

At international level only two countries benefit from a 'domestic' rule and that's Australia and England - was it a Pom who suggested this? ;-)

Think you are confusing the issue. They don't have to be current domestic players, just domestically produced. I.e. a junior of that country or played a season in the local competition.

No one is saying the Kiwis should pick 6 players out of the Fox Premiership instead of 6 players who are currently playing in NRL or Superleague.

 

[roughyedspud]

At international level only two countries benefit from a 'domestic' rule and that's Australia and England - was it a Pom who suggested this? ;-)

In the lead up to the 2008 world cup there was a domestic rule in place,and a aussie was incharge of the RLIF..

and i watched tongan & samoan domestics play in the RLWCQ comp that was held in england in 2007...and you would never have known they came from their domestic comps...infact im pretty sure a very high percentage of the domestics,especially the welsh,scots & irish lads got picked up by english league clubs...thus highlighing it as a development pathway

So i dunno what you are whinging at

 

[paulmac]

My feelings on this are if we are going to have a minimum home grown player requirement then we cant have a pick and stick rule aswell. It would just weaken the next tier too much as so many players would hold off committing to a minor nation in the faint hope of one day playing Origin.
I would have a 2 nation for life policy. Under my system a player can pick one tier A nation (Aus,NZ or England) and a tier B nation if eligible. They could represent both these nations but with a 6 month stand down period, so basically you could go up and down tiers but not sideways. Im going to use Dominique Peyroux as an example,at the 2013 RLWC he played for the Cook islands and in 2014 he played for Samoa. Under my system this would not be allowed but if he had a miraculous form upswing he could still play for the kiwis.
This system along with a 25% homegrown player rule would strike a balance with competitiveness and development.
Another scenario could be to enforce a homegrown player rule on the bottom 6-8 teams at the next few RLWCs as from what I understand they will be kept apart like in 2013 so the argument that there would be massacres is null and void.

 

[Matua]

Think you are confusing the issue. They don't have to be current domestic players, just domestically produced. I.e. a junior of that country or played a season in the local competition.

No one is saying the Kiwis should pick 6 players out of the Fox Premiership instead of 6 players who are currently playing in NRL or Superleague.

Yeah, clearly I need to read the OP before posting.

In the lead up to the 2008 world cup there was a domestic rule in place,and a aussie was incharge of the RLIF..

and i watched tongan & samoan domestics play in the RLWCQ comp that was held in england in 2007...and you would never have known they came from their domestic comps...infact im pretty sure a very high percentage of the domestics,especially the welsh,scots & irish lads got picked up by english league clubs...thus highlighing it as a development pathway

So i dunno what you are whinging at

How many domestic juniors do you think are in the current Samoan team? You're wanting Samoan selectors to have to replace players in their team for inferior ones.

What about Tonga? The closest you'll get to domestic players in the Tongan team is Solomona Kata and (if he was selected) Konrad Hurrell, but those two didn't even play any league before arriving in NZ - can they be considered domestic juniors?

It's just unrealistic to expect these teams to field competitive sides if you restrict eligible players from selection.

 

[roughyedspud]

Domestics came from the domestic leagues...the point of having a domestic quota is to give players a development pathway...do you understand that?

Having 20 NRL & ESL players plus 4 domestics per squad is NOT going to impact a 2tier nations ability to win a comp....cos no one outside the big 3 will win anything for 50+ years at the earliest....so the best we can do is to ensure we at least put plans in place to help develop the other nations

 

[Matua]

Domestics came from the domestic leagues...the point of having a domestic quota is to give players a development pathway...do you understand that?

Having 20 NRL & ESL players plus 4 domestics per squad is NOT going to impact a 2tier nations ability to win a comp....cos no one outside the big 3 will win anything for 50+ years at the earliest....so the best we can do is to ensure we at least put plans in place to help develop the other nations

Are you just being argumentative for the sake of it now (because I've been arguing with you in other threads? )

Exactly how many players do you think there are in the Islands?

You can develop players and provide pathways for the few players coming out the islands without diluting the strength of the international teams. Sending out under-strength teams in internationals matches is not going to help those nations develop players.

 

[spinnerhowland]

Are you just being argumentative for the sake of it now (because I've been arguing with you in other threads? )

Exactly how many players do you think there are in the Islands?

You can develop players and provide pathways for the few players coming out the islands without diluting the strength of the international teams. Sending out under-strength teams in internationals matches is not going to help those nations develop players.

The RLIF has a Criteria that MUST be met by all nations. You can look it up by googling RLIF Membership Criteria.
So all the hard work that is need to actually play in International Games and the World Cup is being done a hard working men who are passionate about the game. In developing nations this is often many players, who VOLUNTEER their time, use their own money, play, coach. develop, operate website, youth development, etc. Take a look at the membership requirements and grasp just how much work that is as a VOLUNTEER while working a full time job.

Do you not think that in a squad of 24 for the WC, that 6 or 8 domestic players, who do all this work for free, don't deserve a shot to wear their nations Jersey.

Because it is THEIR hard work that actually allow that nation to be in the World Cup. Full membership is needed to be allowed to compete.

It is a LOT of work being done for FREE by good men, who love the game, and are the reason their is some global growth.

And I am certain that the BEST 8 players, who player in the Domestic Comps in any of the PI's are not that big a step down when they are coached and surrounded by Q-Cup or NRL players. The benefits are huge.

They are the ones doing all the development work, and they need some to get s shot

 

[spinnerhowland]

Are you just being argumentative for the sake of it now (because I've been arguing with you in other threads? )

Exactly how many players do you think there are in the Islands?

You can develop players and provide pathways for the few players coming out the islands without diluting the strength of the international teams. Sending out under-strength teams in internationals matches is not going to help those nations develop players.

Are you more concerned ti developing players for the NRL and Superleague? OR are you more concerned with actually growing RL around the World to it becomes a bigger sport.

So you realize that in many developing RL nations, no one can even name an NRL player, and most couldn't even name an NRL team. All they know is their domestic comp. Yet still they volunteer and donate their time and money to grow the game to meet the RLIF criteria.

The players from those nations, have earned the right to have a handful in the World Cup.

Do you really understand just how much work goes into meeting the RLIF Full Member requirements? It is a massive undertaking by a lot of good RL men, and a LOT of nations.

 

[latingringo101]

The thing is if we enforce the Domestic quota rule, how will teams like NZ and England be affected by this?

I can understand for Developing nations yes but a lot of NZ players moved to Australia when young and are selected for the Kiwis after living in Oz for 20 years.