I would like feedback - Domestic Quota Rule for Internationals

[siv]

It would be better for events like a RLWC

That countries play a Residents v Foreigners selection trial

So you get the best from both camps

 

[spinnerhowland]

You're consistently conflating two different things. Volunteers helping league exist in developing countries and test teams. Offering up freebee places in test teams shouldn't be how league rewards it's volunteers. It should reward the best players, no *, just the best players.

Your guess is wrong, completely wrong, the best PI players are overseas and any real good ones still in the Island's will be schoolboys.


This has no relevance to this discussion.

I was going to quote your post following this one but it's too large. You basically want to throw out the baby with the bathwater to get some little bit of development in some countries for league. Lets face it, league is never going to go global, 6 home based US players aren't going to change that, and weakening the PI teams is going to do nothing for the global game.

Then the RLWC will only be relevant in a small handful of countries. If you think that it is OK for 100's of volunteers to do all the hard work to meet RLIF criteria in the domestic front, and then pick a team of players who have not once played a single game, or done a single thing, for the nations domestic development, then the game will never grow bigger than it is. It will remain this tiny little code of Rugby on a global scale.

I wonder if you went to a domestic game in the PI's and after the game you asked all the players, if they think 3 or 4 of them should get a spot in the WC team, what the answer would be?

And yes, the Hayne effect is relevant, as it proves that a known player from a domestic nations, can increase the interest in a new sport in a nation. More RL fans watch and care about the NFL since he made the 49'ers roster. Just like more American would care if some Americans made their RL WC team. FACT!

 

[spinnerhowland]

It would be better for events like a RLWC

That countries play a Residents v Foreigners selection trial

So you get the best from both camps

Decent concept, but who travels to who? And who pays?

 

[Sinman]

After watching the PNG vs Fiji game last night and seeing the Domestic winger from FIJI score 3 tries and a bunch of the hunters cause an upset and play so well.. I'm sold on enforcing some sort of domestic competition rule.. Partly because it is more interesting and creates great stories and because it will create a pathway from domestic comps and make domestic comps happen.. I'm not sure how I'd shape the rule.. maybe even as simple as starting with 2 to 4 players in the actual 17 who have played a season based in that country and increasing it over time.. but it was good to watch and with 3 tries the Fijian winger didn't look out of place..

 

[spinnerhowland]

After watching the PNG vs Fiji game last night and seeing the Domestic winger from FIJI score 3 tries and a bunch of the hunters cause an upset and play so well.. I'm sold on enforcing some sort of domestic competition rule.. Partly because it is more interesting and creates great stories and because it will create a pathway from domestic comps and make domestic comps happen.. I'm not sure how I'd shape the rule.. maybe even as simple as starting with 2 to 4 players in the actual 17 who have played a season based in that country and increasing it over time.. but it was good to watch and with 3 tries the Fijian winger didn't look out of place..

Yes mate, it was great to see the domestic in the team, but even more so to see them play so well. And I bet all of those guys are basically heros when they get home. Great to see.

 

[Matua]

Then the RLWC will only be relevant in a small handful of countries. If you think that it is OK for 100's of volunteers to do all the hard work to meet RLIF criteria in the domestic front, and then pick a team of players who have not once played a single game, or done a single thing, for the nations domestic development, then the game will never grow bigger than it is. It will remain this tiny little code of Rugby on a global scale.

I wonder if you went to a domestic game in the PI's and after the game you asked all the players, if they think 3 or 4 of them should get a spot in the WC team, what the answer would be?

And yes, the Hayne effect is relevant, as it proves that a known player from a domestic nations, can increase the interest in a new sport in a nation. More RL fans watch and care about the NFL since he made the 49'ers roster. Just like more American would care if some Americans made their RL WC team. FACT!

The Hayne effect is not relevant, he is a household name in Australia. Some local US league player playing for US is not even close.

Volunteers doing work does not = preferential places in domestic sides. Lots of volunteers do hard work in country Oz and provincial NZ, should there be slots set aside for players from their area to reward them for their hard work?

You don't need to weaken the standard of international league to grow the game. If the US wants to have a domestic 'quota' then they're welcome too, but why should the PI's follow suit. Unfortunately, due to their small size and historical migration patterns most of their eligible players live in other countries (and many were born in other countries) and a domestics rule would negatively impact on their quality.

 

[Force]

I can see both sides of the argument but I dont think theres a one rule fits all with this suggestion.

For me personally, Im not sold on having quota's at a World Cup simply because I dont think thats where development takes place. Development happens at grassroots level, volunteers, age grade, coaches, administrators etc...as has been mentioned. World Cup should always be used for the best players available to all teams. If a Nation wants to have a quota put in place for their team then thats fine, but it shouldn't be forced on others.

 

[siv]

Decent concept, but who travels to who? And who pays?

Foreigners travel to home nation

So it helps develop the local fan base and gives the local players the best opportunity

It then becomes a win win

Helps develop the game locally

And gets the local fans to see and meet some of the foreign brigade. Or even better see the return of a local boy who hit the big time

 

[Western_Eel]

I think the captain and the coach should also be from that nation, if they want some influence from an NRL / SL coach they can be assistant coach.

 

[spinnerhowland]

Foreigners travel to home nation

So it helps develop the local fan base and gives the local players the best opportunity

It then becomes a win win

Helps develop the game locally

And gets the local fans to see and meet some of the foreign brigade. Or even better see the return of a local boy who hit the big time

Providing travel is self funded, or NRL/Superleague/RLIF funded, this works. It is not unlike the Qualifiers to be honest

 

[spinnerhowland]

I think the captain and the coach should also be from that nation, if they want some influence from an NRL / SL coach they can be assistant coach.

I certainly agree with the Captain, especially for interviews. Nothing worse than listening to the interviews from the 2013 World Cup and most of the teams had an Aussie captain. Did give the overall sense that it was really a "World" cup