Idris to the Panthers

[Frank_Grimes]

MIXED POSITONS
SLATER - specialist fullback who played many origins on the wing

Slater can't be included in that group. He only ever played 3 origin matches on the wing. 2 off the bench.

 

[Canard]

Slater can't be included in that group. He only ever played 3 origin matches on the wing. 2 off the bench.

Often League is to dynamic to limit one player to one position.

I mean when people such as Ash Graham start a match at 5/8th anything can happen.

But yeh, guys like Slater and Sailor are the closest.

 

[Frank_Grimes]

Barba allegedly belted his missus and she left him and he wanted to reconcile.

Jamal's mother is very ill.

2 different scenarios.

The hypocrisy is not in the differing player situations. It lies in the fact that so many got their panties all twisted up over Brisbane talking to a player under contract about seeking a release, but are now openly praising Gould and Penrith for doing exactly the same thing.

 

[Loudstrat]

Penrith dont have a history of paying opposition players to sit out entire seasons "before" signing them to their club. We saw how pathetic it was when Milford demanded a release to join Brisbane to be with his ill father, who was living with him in Canberra at the time.

 

[Frank_Grimes]

Penrith dont have a history of paying opposition players to sit out entire seasons "before" signing them to their club. We saw how pathetic it was when Milford demanded a release to join Brisbane to be with his ill father, who was living with him in Canberra at the time.

None of what you have posted above refutes my point.

 

[mxlegend99]

Penrith are usually the club letting player go early in their contracts. Probably had a dozen or so players released early in contracts in the past 2 or 3 years. Ranging from players unlikely to make our side, to players who are permanent fixtures in Origin teams.

We don't want to keep players at the club against their will. We're better off letting players leave when they are unhappy or have circumstances that put their hearts elsewhere, and having them leave on good terms. The new players at our club seem genuinely happy here. Guys like Whare, Segeyaro, Manu etc. seem very happy with their decisions to move to Penrith, despite their first season not being successful. Not sure how Gould has sold the club to these players, but they all seem 100% on board with what he is trying to achieve... and that's going to be the reason that it works.

 

[Loudstrat]

None of what you have posted above refutes my point.

Actually it does. Brisbane have history. Penrith dont. Just because your dont get it, or dont want to get it doesnt men it isnt true.

Penrith are building something special - a club force, similar to manly did a decade. Its not about having the best players, its about having the best side.

I like Idris - despite the dumb labrador pup similarities, he goes well in the media, is great with kids, and has huge potential.

One thing strikes me though - the halves. Wallace and Soward to run the truck? Really? Under Carty, the Gold Coast have by far been the best club to develop a potentially brillant spine simply through lower grade talent. Srama, Kelly, Sezer.......massive future.

 

[darkbloom]

Actually it does. Brisbane have history. Penrith dont. Just because your dont get it, or dont want to get it doesnt men it isnt true.

Penrith may not have this type of history but Gould does.

It is a moot point anyway - principles in Rugby League have been very flexible since 1908 and are likely to continue to be so.

 

[umina panther]

Yep im sick of supporting a likeable club. To be likeable means you're shit and no threat.

 

[franklin2323]

Too many substitutes are also making the game one dimensional

I blame coaches watch NYC then the same players in NRL they turn into robots. Hopefully the 9's show they can actually throw the ball around yet win.

 

[Tone83]

I think players would feel good having a charismatic leader like Gould or Russel Crowe, even if they're not actually coaching or whatever it would just lift spirits and give you confidence in the direction of the club because you'd feel like they won't accept shit.

 

[Frank_Grimes]

Actually it does. Brisbane have history. Penrith dont. Just because your dont get it, or dont want to get it doesnt men it isnt true.

No, it actually doesn't Misty. Just because you repeat your point in an abbreviated form, it doesn't make it any less fallacious.

Your point suggests that because Brisbane once paid a player to sit out a year as his club wouldn't release him, it's fine to criticise them for negotiating with a contracted player, while sparing that criticism of any other club or entity. Pretty much the definition of hypocrisy is what you are defending, but it seems to be beyond you.

Hilarious stuff.

 

[Patorick]

Did Michael Hancock ever play anywhere other than wing? I know Willie Carne played centre and fullback, and Rod Wishart started off as a centre. Lote Tiquiri played a handful of games at fullback for the donkeys. How many players are genuine specialists in that they've never, ever played a different position though?

RLP says 21 games at centre and 1 at fullback.

http://www.rugbyleagueproject.org/players/michael-hancock/positions.html

 

[Loudstrat]

No, it actually doesn't Misty. Just because you repeat your point in an abbreviated form, it doesn't make it any less fallacious.

Your point suggests that because Brisbane once paid a player to sit out a year as his club wouldn't release him, it's fine to criticise them for negotiating with a contracted player, while sparing that criticism of any other club or entity. Pretty much the definition of hypocrisy is what you are defending, but it seems to be beyond you.

Hilarious stuff.

Once? Tallis, Ikin and tried the same with Barba and Milford. Besides, every club talks to contracted players you tard!

The fact that the Gold Coast were happy with the arrangement escapes you. Im sure if the Titans said "no", it would have gone no further. This is absolutely nothing like Brisbane's shoddy history of paying for tantrums!

 

[ek999]

The lack of specialisation in backline positions is a growing trend that is becoming alarming. Of all those positions, the three backline positions have more unique skill requirements that any others have - arguable point, I know, but wingers and fullbacks have a unique set of requirements - especially defensively.

I think this is preventing good potential centres getting access to the polish provided by the rep arena.

But look at our Australian rep backs:

ONE POSITION:
HODGES - club and rep centre
JENNINGS - club and rep centre

MIXED POSITONS
SLATER - specialist fullback who played many origins on the wing
TATE - Club centre, rep winger
INGLIS - club fullback, centre or 5/8 - rep centre or winger (and fullback once)
BOYD - club fullback, rep winger
B MORRIS - club and rep winger, sometimes club fullback
J MORRIS - Club winger and centre, rep centre
HAYNE - Club winger initially, club fullback for 5 years - when he was a rep winger and centre

I've left out the spasmodic selections like Uate, Dugan and McManus.

The point being that there has been a long trend of picking the best players, rather than the best in their positions, going back before the Matt Bowen rep years. Specialist wingers being selected in multiple seasons = Brett Morris. Its been a long time since any other specialist wingers have nailed and held onto rep positions. Apart from Uate, Dugan and McManus, David Williams, Nathan Merrit and Hasem El Masri, Do we go back to Eric Grothe Jnr to find a club winger getting a rep gig?

Heres a challenge - before Bmoz, who was the last specialist club winger to play 15 tests on the wing for Australia? It hasnt been done this century - which is now 14 years old

Big Dell was probably the last. I would take the 2 Morris brothers out of the mixed positions too. Yes they have played different positions for their clubs but that doesn't mean they aren't specialists in their positions, their games improved immensely when they moved to Brett moved to wing and Josh to centre. I doubt you could name one player who has had a long career that has played purely in the one position.

 

[Frank_Grimes]

Once? Tallis, Ikin and tried the same with Barba and Milford.

Ikin never sat out anything. He was injured. Sitting out a season was never on the cards for Barba, and Milford sitting out didn't happen either. So yes - ONCE. Revisionist history at it's finest there Misty.

Besides, every club talks to contracted players you tard!

Congratulations - you just proved my point without even realising. See if you can figure out how you did it.

The fact that the Gold Coast were happy with the arrangement escapes you.

The Bulldogs were as happy with the Barba arrangement as Gold Coast were with Idris, but don't let that get in the way of your moronic rant.

Im sure if the Titans said "no", it would have gone no further. This is absolutely nothing like Brisbane's shoddy history of paying for tantrums!

Oh good. Mindless speculation - I was starting to worry that you had changed your ways.

It astounds and amuses me to no end, that after lurking around these forums for so long with your unique blend of arrogance and stupidity, you still haven't gained any fundamental comprehension skills.

Bravo Misty, bravo.

 

[Loudstrat]

Ikin never sat out anything. He was injured. Sitting out a season was never on the cards for Barba, and Milford sitting out didn't happen either. So yes - ONCE. Revisionist history at it's finest there Misty.

Lol. Just lol.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/spo...ht-for-ben-barba/story-fnca0von-1226693058367

Barba has no such clause but has made it clear he would have no choice but to move to Brisbane should his estranged partner decide to relocate there with their two children.

http://www.couriermail.com.au/sport...-for-the-broncos/story-fniabm4i-1226756499109

While Ben Hunt will get first crack at halfback, his partner remains uncertain as the Broncos await a decision on whether the Raiders will formally release boom rookie Anthony Milford.
Should Milford be forced to sit out the season,

Congratulations - you just proved my point without even realising. See if you can figure out how you did it.

Every club negotiates with contracted players to try and sign them after the current contract expires.

The Idris deal was worked out amicably between the Panthers, the Titans, and Idris.

Brisbane's attempts involve players threats and tantrums to sit out contracts. But thanks for trying to ignore this aspect.

The Bulldogs were as happy with the Barba arrangement as Gold Coast were with Idris,

The only person in the NRL who could believe that was Will Hopoate who was in a 2 year media blackout. Canterbury fought long and hard against Barba leaving you genius.

You are Gen Y. Even you would have an Iphone with social media running 24/7 in that bucket of sand that your head lives in.

Comparisons between Idris deal and the messy pathetic way your club netted Milford and Barba are extremely minor indeed.

 

[Mortar]

Every club negotiates with contracted players to try and sign them after the current contract expires.

Wow you are a smart cookie to work that out Loudtard. Maybe you make the connection to the players you keep crying about. :roll:

Brisbane's attempts involve players threats and tantrums to sit out contracts. But thanks for trying to ignore this aspect.

I'm sure you can provide evidence of that you dumbmerkin. None of the geniused links you have provided have shown anything other than your devotion to the bullshit media stories without any quotes from the players themselves. Are you actually a beetroot face or bourbon beccy account?

Here's one with an actual quote for your inbred mind to mull over....

http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/...seeking-release-from-club-20140109-30jwz.html

Canterbury fought long and hard against Barba leaving you genius.

And with your lack of intelligence you can't get through you thick skull that the bulldogs released him...... man are as dumb as dogshit.

You really need to deal with that massive chip on your shoulder and realise that no matter how many times you verbally diarrhoea out your lies that it doesn't make them true you fruitcake.

 

[Frank_Grimes]

Lol. Just lol.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/spo...ht-for-ben-barba/story-fnca0von-1226693058367


http://www.couriermail.com.au/sport/nrl/brisbane-legend-wally-lewis-backs-ben-barba-at-fiveeighth-for-the-broncos/story-fniabm4i-1226756499109

And none of them sat out a season. I love it when posters around here deride print journalism as fiction without fact, but then use it to back up a weak argument.

Swing and a miss. Nice use of links though - you've come a long way.

Remind me again Misty - did Ben Ikin sit out a season to join the Broncos?

Every club negotiates with contracted players to try and sign them after the current contract expires.

Of course it would have to spelled out to a simpering fool like you. Posters around these parts (and probably hypocrites like you) bagged Brisbane for negotiating with a player regarding a period that they were still contracted for, meaning they would need to seek a release. Penrith have done EXACTLY THE SAME THING and morons like you are defending it.

The Idris deal was worked out amicably between the Panthers, the Titans, and Idris.

As was Barba's deal:

Castle was tight-lipped on recent negotiations when contacted on Tuesday night.
"We've had some preliminary discussions with Brisbane, but things are long way from being finalised," she said.

http://www.foxsports.com.au/league/...million-for-2014/story-fn2mcuj6-1226700930481

Castle told of the complex negotiations and why the process was drawn-out.

"There were many complicated elements that needed to be considered around Ben’s request for a release and we're pleased to have achieved a result that leaves everyone comfortable with the outcome,” Castle said.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sp...brisbane-broncos/story-fni3gv5x-1226706072357

Notice how I've actually linked quotes from an official and not a journalist's speculation?

Brisbane's attempts involve players threats and tantrums to sit out contracts. But thanks for trying to ignore this aspect.

:lol: Aspect - is that your new term for "ridiculous opinion"?

The only person in the NRL who could believe that was Will Hopoate who was in a 2 year media blackout. Canterbury fought long and hard against Barba leaving you genius.

Yep, so long and hard they took the first compensatory offer from Brisbane to make the transfer. You outdo yourself Misty.

You are Gen Y.

How presumptuous of you. I would return the favour, but it's too difficult to tell if you're either:

1. 7 years old with a minor learning deficiency
2. 48 years old with a major learning deficiency requiring that you wear a helmet to eat breakfast or;
3. 82 years old and leaving a package in your undies for your carer every 20 minutes.

 

[Loudstrat]

Butthurt Broncos fan :lol: