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If an All-Black refuses to do the Haka....

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Te Kaha

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Copa said:
what happens?? Has it ever happened? How would NZers react?

Wont happen, would never happen.. and i would imagine they wouldn't play for the All Blacks ever again if some idiot ever did that, which they wouldn't.
 

Copa

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So people would react badly?!

What if the bloke didn't do it for malicious intent... but had other cultural/religious/personal/private/etc reasons?

Is doing the haka written in to the contracts of All Blacks?
 

Iafeta

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It'd never happen. To play for the All Blacks you have to consider yourself a New Zealand, and part of being a New Zealander (be it of Island descent, European descent, Maori descent) is honouring and cherishing the mana of the Maori culture and the haka.

People would rip their arms off to have a chance to do it on a big stage like that just once.
 

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I can't imagine what the cultural/religous/private reasons for refusing the Haka would be, but I'd guess that if someone refused to do the Haka, there would quietly be a 'never to be selected again' mark placed against their name - not being a team player and all that.

Michael Jones was a devout Christian who refused to play on Sundays for religous reasons, but never seemed to have a problem with performing the Haka. Additionally, the AB selectors certainly didn't discriminate against him in selections because of this refusal - he'd simply not play on Sunday test matches and be automatically selected for all others. Of course being possibly the greatest flanker to ever play the game probably didn't hurt.
 

Copa

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The translation of the Haka hints at a belief system and world view that some may be vehemently opposed to ....

Perhaps the Haka has transcended the actual roots and meaning of the Haka in the minds of some?
 

Te Kaha

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Copa said:
The translation of the Haka hints at a belief system and world view that some may be vehemently opposed to ....

Perhaps the Haka has transcended the actual roots and meaning of the Haka in the minds of some?

No it doesn't... not in the slightest.. and if you actualy reasearched it you would know that.
 

Copa

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Te Kaha said:
No it doesn't... not in the slightest.. and if you actualy reasearched it you would know that.
Is this inreference to my first or second sentence?
 

Te Kaha

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The short answer is Te Rauparaha of the Ngati Toa tribe was being chased by enemies. He hid in a food-storage pit. He climbed out to find someone standing over him, who, instead of killing him, turned out to be another chief friendly to him.

It has nothing what so ever to do with.. what was it?..." the Haka hints at a belief system and world view that some may be vehemently opposed to "
 

Copa

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I just got thinking..... my section head is a Kiwi, mad All Blacks fan, bores us to tears with the continual repeating of stories about the good old days back in paradise (NZ) and aboout his plans to return to paradise one day...

He said the other day he is not really interested in the Haka after someone said that if only he was a good enough RU player he would have had the chance to perform the Haka on a world stage. He said "that stuff" is good to watch but had nothing to do with his family or background.

So.... I got wondering... what if someone didn't want to do it.
 

Te Kaha

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Tighthead said:
What's your point Copa?

Until someone refuses to do the Haka, isn't it moot?

You can't expect anything else from somebody who doesn't know the difference between a Haka, Sipi Tau (Tonga), Siva tau (Samoa), Cibi (Fiji)
 

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Te Kaha said:
The short answer is Te Rauparaha of the Ngati Toa tribe was being chased by enemies. He hid in a food-storage pit. He climbed out to find someone standing over him, who, instead of killing him, turned out to be another chief friendly to him.

It has nothing what so ever to do with.. what was it?..." the Haka hints at a belief system and world view that some may be vehemently opposed to "
thanks... isn't there another, less accepted, view that it was a woman sitting beside the pit with her pubic hair exposed?
 

Te Kaha

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Copa said:
I just got thinking..... my section head is a Kiwi, mad All Blacks fan, bores us to tears with the continual repeating of stories about the good old days back in paradise (NZ) and aboout his plans to return to paradise one day...

He said the other day he is not really interested in the Haka after someone said that if only he was a good enough RU player he would have had the chance to perform the Haka on a world stage. He said "that stuff" is good to watch but had nothing to do with his family or background.

So.... I got wondering... what if someone didn't want to do it.

He would never have been selected for the All Blacks if that was the case, no matter how good he was.
 

Te Kaha

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Copa said:
thanks... isn't there another, less accepted, view that it was a woman sitting beside the pit with her pubic hair exposed?

Depends on which translation of which tribe.. Not the Ngati Toa.
 

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Is there a point to this thread apart from posing a completely hypothetical "what if" that is probably never going to eventuate? I mean it's kind of like asking "if an NZer was selected for the ABs but didn't want to wear shorts, would he still be selected?"
 

Copa

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SpaceMonkey said:
I mean it's kind of like asking "if an NZer was selected for the ABs but didn't want to wear shorts, would he still be selected?"
Is it? :lol:

Some sort of shorts are part of standard uniform under international rules aren't they? The haka isn't.
 
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Copa ! Where are going with this one mate ? The Haka is part of the NZ history . Not just the All Blacks .
But every rugby mad school has a Haka . All the rugby private schools in NZ has a 1st XV Haka and a school Haka .
Before you become a All Black . Not only you do your 1st XV , you also perform a Haka in every rugby national team in NZ .
 
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