If I was the Warriors boss . . .

[Rhyno]

Agree if warriors sign Toovey they should be favourites for the premiership next year

 

[JJ]

Had 9 players out there today (6 of them rookies) with 25 games or less of first grade experience. Throw in an injury list that includes Johnson, Hoffman, Thompson, Leuluai, Henry, Laumape, Fusitua. There's no a coach on this planet who would get consistent winning results out of that.

Not excusing the rubbish that went on tonight or in the last month, and I have no idea what sort of coach McFadden will end up being. He certainly isn't and hasn't been perfect, but to throw everything that's happened this year onto him would be pretty short sighted.

Seems almost like you are to me

 

[KeepingTheFaith]

Seems almost like you are to me

Ignorance will do that.

 

[NrlCoach]

The Warriors have always hired *** coaches.

 

[JJ]

Provide a better alternative? What can he do, who can he bring in? There's nobody left outside of more rookies or players who are leaving because (mostly because they're not up to it)

You keep the faith fella!

Not about ignorance, and it's not my job to select the team - but if you seriously believe the perseverance with Kata who seems to have hit the wall, and has no confidence in defence is a good move, then good luck to you

 

[Penrose Warrior]

Can't sack the coach. We terminated Bluey early. We terminated Elliott early. We went ahead and resigned McFadden inexplicably. We MUST honour the contract if we are ever to sign a great coach.

Completely disagree. If Toovey wants in, he comes - I believe Jim will be of the same opinion. We'd be getting a proven finals operator who knows what a good culture looks like, worked under the best and also got results as a head coach.

Nothing excuses the shit we watched today. We got flogged 36-0 by a fringe eight side who lost their key playmaker in the first half and played the majority of the game with 2 interchanges. We are completely rudderless and direction-less. If anyone wants one of my testicles I'll bet it that Andrew McFadden will never win more than one finals match in his coaching career.

 

[Penrose Warrior]

I love Tooves... I think he's a good bloke.

But he's not proven as a coach himself.

Sacking another coach is not the answer... It actually makes the culture even worse.

The message Eric Watson and Jim Doyle need to send is that McFadden is it. They will be heading out the door before he is.

They should only be sacking a coach if they are replacing him with either Wayne Bennett, Des Hasler or Craig Bellamy.

Otherwise whoever they bring in will be cut off at the knees before they even start.

I don't buy in to the rubbish that McFadden isn't up to it... He's no worse than anyone else out there. In fact I think he's making cultural changes to the squad already.

I'd say let Jim Doyle do his job... He's a smart operator... If he feels McFadden isn't up to it he will get rid of him.

What? A guy who's made finals every year and gone deep in them as a head coach, and been part of premierships as an assistant and player isn't proven? He's a shitload more proven than someone who was an understudy to Matt Elliott.

Who gives a shit about the message, McFadden is getting leeway because we've had 5 coaches in 5 years - no other reason. If he was Bluey following Cleary he'd be gone already. His record is almost as bad as Elliott's with less baggage and bullshit.

I see no evidence there's a better culture, a better buy-in, a better message, a better whatever. So Chad Townsend supported him mid-week did he? Chad Townsend played possibly the most inept 80 minutes in NRL history tonight so bugger what he said.

 

[Penrose_11]

We are completely rudderless and direction-less. If anyone wants one of my testicles I'll bet it that Andrew McFadden will never win more than one finals match in his coaching career.

I'll bet McFadden doesn't win another 1st grade game in his coaching career!!

 

[KeepingTheFaith]

You keep the faith fella!

Not about ignorance, and it's not my job to select the team - but if you seriously believe the perseverance with Kata who seems to have hit the wall, and has no confidence in defence is a good move, then good luck to you

How the hell did you get that from what i posted?

Take out 6 or so first choice players from any team and put in six rookies plus another couple with virtually no experience and the same thing will happen regardless of the coach.

All I said was I don't see the point in throwing a coach under the bus in those circumstances. Not sure how you came up with that about Kata? Maybe not ignorance, but reading and comprehension sure wouldn't go astray.

 

[JJ]

Same with you - my take is McFadden has never shown he can coach at this level, and extending his contract (and signing Elliott in the first place) were acts of lunacy

I've not seen any sense made of his selection decisions - I'm talking about the season as a whole, not just this week - a culture change is required, and I hope Doyle is the man to support that, and support a coach to do it - hard to see that coach being McFadden though

 

[Iafeta]

There's three things a Warriors boss can do

Smoke a lot of weed to get through it all
Stage an intervention on pathetic attitudes
Change the Warriors uniform to the Kiwis uniform - a few of those lads grow several extra limbs when they're in the Kiwis team

 

[shiznit]

What? A guy who's made finals every year and gone deep in them as a head coach, and been part of premierships as an assistant and player isn't proven?

He's nowhere near proven. He took over the reigning premiers a week after they won the premiership.

He's basically ridden Des Hasler's dynasty for a good 4 seasons before its all fallen apart.

I'm not knocking the bloke.. Good on him... But stop talking like he's a f**king supercoach.

You can go ahead and do the boneheaded thing and sack McFadden this week and hire Toovey next week... But the only message your sending the playing group is that it's okay to underperform as its coaches arse on the line not yours.

They will play good for a couple of months and then the standards will drop back down again and Toovey will be sacked by this time next season.

Because remember... It's all the coaches fault... :roll:

 

[shiznit]

Same with you - my take is McFadden has never shown he can coach at this level, and extending his contract (and signing Elliott in the first place) were acts of lunacy

I've not seen any sense made of his selection decisions - I'm talking about the season as a whole, not just this week - a culture change is required, and I hope Doyle is the man to support that, and support a coach to do it - hard to see that coach being McFadden though

So what's your answer JJ??

I mean you always seem to think McFadden isn't up to it... Or that Shaun Johnson isn't good enough...

What do you think the Warriors should do??

 

[JJ]

So what's your answer JJ??

I mean you always seem to think McFadden isn't up to it... Or that Shaun Johnson isn't good enough...

What do you think the Warriors should do??

Shaun Johnson at NRL level isn't as good as the hype

It's Doyle's issue to solve, not mine - but I've said all along they should not have sacked Cleary (he was getting the culture right), they should never have tried to sell Elliott as a solution to anything, and I was astounded they jumped to extend McFadden's contract so quickly.

Whether McFadden is the answer or not, the culture needs to change - at least with Cleary you could see the structure, you could see the aim, and you could see the rationale in selections. People thought they became too predictable and lacked flamboyance, but they competed hard.

Please, do enlighten me on what the Warrior's current style is? What are they aiming for? What is the rationale behind dropping Hurrell every 6 weeks or so for one week, keeping Kata in the side despite him being a liability on defence and everyone in the NRL knowing it, giving some (at a guess, Fish, Peyroux, Ihikahifo, Allwood, Lousi) maybe one game and ditching them - if they're not good enough, why does he keep bringing them back - if they are why not show the same faith in some as they have with Kata...

Aside from a few seasons with Anderson and Cleary we've had the same crap - making the top 8 should be straightforward, we were already well behind in that race and Johnson wasn't absent at the start of the season (well, he was on the field, just not sure what he was doing, or being told to do). We should by now have enough pts that we're falling into the final, not falling from the edge of the finals

Next year top 4 should be a no brainer - but my money would be on a similar mediocre start, strong middle, and late collapse - as we do almost every year

 

[shiznit]

Shaun Johnson at NRL level isn't as good as the hype

It's Doyle's issue to solve, not mine - but I've said all along they should not have sacked Cleary (he was getting the culture right), they should never have tried to sell Elliott as a solution to anything, and I was astounded they jumped to extend McFadden's contract so quickly.

Whether McFadden is the answer or not, the culture needs to change - at least with Cleary you could see the structure, you could see the aim, and you could see the rationale in selections. People thought they became too predictable and lacked flamboyance, but they competed hard.

Please, do enlighten me on what the Warrior's current style is? What are they aiming for? What is the rationale behind dropping Hurrell every 6 weeks or so for one week, keeping Kata in the side despite him being a liability on defence and everyone in the NRL knowing it, giving some (at a guess, Fish, Peyroux, Ihikahifo, Allwood, Lousi) maybe one game and ditching them - if they're not good enough, why does he keep bringing them back - if they are why not show the same faith in some as they have with Kata...

Aside from a few seasons with Anderson and Cleary we've had the same crap - making the top 8 should be straightforward, we were already well behind in that race and Johnson wasn't absent at the start of the season (well, he was on the field, just not sure what he was doing, or being told to do). We should by now have enough pts that we're falling into the final, not falling from the edge of the finals

Next year top 4 should be a no brainer - but my money would be on a similar mediocre start, strong middle, and late collapse - as we do almost every year

Your 100% right in what your saying.

I agree wholeheartedly that they shouldn't have gotten rid of Cleary... And they certainly shouldn't have tried to paint Elliot into something he clearly wasn't.

But it's easy to come out and SAY they need to change the culture... Actually doing it is a whole different matter.

Changing a culture starts from the top... And flows down to the football team.

All the feedback I've seen from the players and from Doyle himself...McFadden has made some fundamental changes to how they train, and has also brought in more accountability to the playing group.

It can't be helped if your missing key components of your squad.

Jim Doyle is completely behind McFadden so that to
Me says he's happy with the change he's making to the culture.

 

[JJ]

All the feedback I've seen from the players and from Doyle himself...McFadden has made some fundamental changes to how they train, and has also brought in more accountability to the playing group.

It can't be helped if your missing key components of your squad.

Jim Doyle is completely behind McFadden so that to
Me says he's happy with the change he's making to the culture.

Time will tell, certainly if DOyle was going to ditch him he wouldn't be publicising it

But, we had all the key elements in our squad much the season and were only ever on the fringe of the 8 - it's been entirely predictable

I have faith that Doyle will lead a turnaround, and it will take time...

 

[BunniesMan]

Shit culture or not they'll have a 9, 7 and 1 who could all possibly be the best in their positions in 2016. If Luke and RTS put in and don't just relax on their big contracts they'll be top 4 with any coach.

 

[Penrose Warrior]

He's nowhere near proven. He took over the reigning premiers a week after they won the premiership.

He's basically ridden Des Hasler's dynasty for a good 4 seasons before its all fallen apart.

I'm not knocking the bloke.. Good on him... But stop talking like he's a f**king supercoach.

You can go ahead and do the boneheaded thing and sack McFadden this week and hire Toovey next week... But the only message your sending the playing group is that it's okay to underperform as its coaches arse on the line not yours.

They will play good for a couple of months and then the standards will drop back down again and Toovey will be sacked by this time next season.

Because remember... It's all the coaches fault... :roll:

No no no, I'm not at all suggesting he's a super coach. I'm suggesting he's probably miles better than what we have. I agree he rode Des' coat tails but at least he's been exposed to that level of success. He would have learned.

And look at Manly now - they absolutely humped the likely minor premiers and last year's premiers two weeks in a row. I know that club puts out performances despite whatever shit is going on but he deserves credit for that, no one's stopped playing for him.

I don't see why McFadden being fired is the wrong message. So 6 coaches in 6 years reads so much more grimly than 5 in 6? Why? Just because we've had a procession of firings doesn't mean the next guy should get an armchair ride without showing much more than a speck of coaching nous. All I've seen is a guy who speaks well. And learned his trade from Matthew bloody Elliott.

It's not the coach's fault, exclusvely course it isn't. But there's so much that is. Our style of game has absolutely no identity to it. His selections in the last few weeks have been atrocious. He's handled Hurrell poorly. Shaun Johnson was used poorly in the first few weeks (when I truly believe he was putting in or trying to).

What Bunniesman says is scary. We'll probably be top 4/6 without too much trouble with Paul Langmack in bloody charge. But if we have the wrong person, we might piss away our best chance at a premiership. I see no reason McFadden is that guy, and I know that Toovey knows how to win finals matches. He's not the messiah but Jim Doyle isn't sitting on the front porch at Mt Smart with the lights on at 3am waiting for Bennett, Bellamy, Hasler, even a Robinson or Maguire to pull up.

 

[Snappy]

If anyone wants one of my testicles I'll bet it that Andrew McFadden will never win more than one finals match in his coaching career.

You've already lost lefty in a bet this year.

I would bet my left testicle Hodges plays less than a dozen games next year. And I am really fond of my testicles, the left one in particular.

 

[Meth]

You've already lost lefty in a bet this year.

:lol: