I'm not usually one of the scapegoat crowd...

[spiderdan]

Sounds like hayne is becoming this year's Mateo from some of the supporters.

To me it just looks like he has stopped giving a shit. He is easily our most talented player but he is doing a few things (lots of no look passes or going for unorthodox plays when the simple play will do) which suggests he may have stopped giving a shit.

Not surprised we still lost at 12-0 up. It's our season in summary. One ball player, and when the opposition get into a groove we struggle to get past scoring two tries and have no variable point of attack or option b to go to.

Sandow and Roberts should make up that option b (and c) next year but would still like it if one of our back rowers provided that variable point of attack (in a nutshell it's a player who can add a subtle change to the attack through changing the tempo or creativity when the defence gets the hang of defending the structure in front of them) and/or a bench player that comes on and adds some spark.

 

[Joshuatheeel]

I don't understand how anyone can blame Hayne for the loss. Yes he made a mistake or two but the whole team made crucial mistakes and key times that cost is. Take Hayne out of the team and where would we be? Relegated to first division that's where!!!

I am not saying he lost us the game, my point is wiuth the charge down he went for the million dollar play instead of diving on the ball and giving the side some good field position.

Without Hayne we would even struggle to score any points - does anyone remember what our halfback did last night?

 

[ROGUE]

I think you're a simpleton.

Deadset simpleton.



Did Hayne not sign your autograph book during the week or something?
Our team needs him playing far more than it needs a halfwit like you supporting it. Either go find another team (kinda worked for PP) or take off your 'hate' glasses and watch the footy.

Hayne wasn't great last night, but he still conjured up a try from nothing, was the absolute only thing we had going in attack, and generalled a good defensive performance. If anyone can be forgiven for kicking the ball ahead in the last minute and trying for the win it is the person who has JUST SAVED YOU THE GAME BY CHARGING DOWN THE FIELD GOAL - what he did hardly cost us the game.
That's as naive as saying Fui cost us the game by dropping the ball twice.
Nonsense - Fui and Hayne and Hindy and Mannah and Reni are the blokes busting their guts each week, a shame they're not supported with much else.

Sure, Hayne's execution was out - has been for a few weeks now - but that's what happens when there's nobody else in the team who can create anything.
The poor bloke is a superstar talent who is playing with a reserve grade backline - earlier in the year his passes were working just fine, but he's overplaying his hand right now - what he needs is for the season to end, and for the cavalry to arrive.

This

 

[hineyrulz]

I am not saying he lost us the game, my point is wiuth the charge down he went for the million dollar play instead of diving on the ball and giving the side some good field position.

Without Hayne we would even struggle to score any points - does anyone remember what our halfback did last night?

We had a halfback last night???? :shock:

 

[oldmancraigy]

Sandow and Roberts should make up that option b (and c) next year but would still like it if one of our back rowers provided that variable point of attack (in a nutshell it's a player who can add a subtle change to the attack through changing the tempo or creativity when the defence gets the hang of defending the structure in front of them) and/or a bench player that comes on and adds some spark.

Not bagging out Horo and Smith for filling in, but you're also going to be refreshed seeing REAL centers on the paddock again.

 

[Parramatta1947]

Hayne is a match winner but is becoming someone who is costing us games too. The worry for me is he is not learning from his mistakes - you would think after the first 'no try' against the Storm that he would take the safe option. When he kicked that ball ahead, the better option would have been to fall on the ball. The Roosters end up with it and score that set. That is the frustration that undoes his good work. The question is - is it coaching doing it or is it himself?

 

[Gronk]

I don't think that we lost because of Hayne, but I do think that he makes poor choices at crucial times.

 

[Joshuatheeel]

We had a halfback last night???? :shock:

what did you see one?

However can't blame McGuire, he just doesn't have the skill set.

 

[spiderdan]

Not bagging out Horo and Smith for filling in, but you're also going to be refreshed seeing REAL centers on the paddock again.

Agree. Some consistency in who is playing out wide would also help stabilize our defensive patterns, out wide seems to be where we have struggled the most this year. Just a shame we look like getting the spoon this year. Avoiding it was the one thing I wanted from our side this year. Ah well. We dodged a bullet with it twice (91 and 95?) in the last 20 years when the footy gods smiled on us so I guess it's just our turn now.

This year was always gonna be a write off in my eyes. Next year though, barring injuries, I expect the side to finish top 6 (and probably pushing top 4).

 

[Gronk]

Agree. Some consistency in who is playing out wide would also help stabilize our defensive patterns, out wide seems to be where we have struggled the most this year. Just a shame we look like getting the spoon this year. Avoiding it was the one thing I wanted from our side this year. Ah well. We dodged a bullet with it twice (91 and 95?) in the last 20 years when the footy gods smiled on us so I guess it's just our turn now.

This year was always gonna be a write off in my eyes. Next year though, barring injuries, I expect the side to finish top 6 (and probably pushing top 4).

We'll be fringe 8 at best next year. You only have to look at the way we have folded so many times this year to see how mentally weak we are. I do think that two good signings (Kapow & Willie) will strengthen crucial positions, but we have a long way to go to compete with teams like Manly Storm etc on mental toughness.

 

[oldmancraigy]

I don't think that we lost because of Hayne, but I do think that he makes poor choices at crucial times.

Agreed. He definitely needs someone else to run the show.

He might be our star, but someone else has to be calling the shots out there for him to be most effective.

 

[oldmancraigy]

Hayne is a match winner but is becoming someone who is costing us games too. The worry for me is he is not learning from his mistakes - you would think after the first 'no try' against the Storm that he would take the safe option. When he kicked that ball ahead, the better option would have been to fall on the ball. The Roosters end up with it and score that set. That is the frustration that undoes his good work. The question is - is it coaching doing it or is it himself?

No they didn't.

They tried a field goal which he charged down, at full tilt in mid field he punted ahead, but the kick went towards the sideline - had it gone straight we're praising his genius - but whichever way it goes, he earned the right to make that play by charging the kick down didn't he? There was 1 minute to go....

 

[yy_cheng]

Agreed. He definitely needs someone else to run the show.

He might be our star, but someone else has to be calling the shots out there for him to be most effective.

You know where I stand on where Hayne should play but I am wavering not because of his physical talents but because of his Mentality.

What Braith did last night, Hayne could've done 10 times better.

It is just a shame for mine to see so much talent in a guy but doesn't have the mental fortitude to make the most of it.

Watching him over the last few months, I have seen him develop an awesome short kicking game, he was starting to learn a short ball instead of no look long passes and many other aspects of being a good half.

But then the low percentage plays he tries just makes that go to naught.

If only he could learn to position himself better to give himself space to run, pass long, pass short or whatever.

There are so many halves out there who have half the skill of Hayne but they do so much better.

 

[spiderdan]

We'll be fringe 8 at best next year. You only have to look at the way we have folded so many times this year to see how mentally weak we are. I do think that two good signings (Kapow & Willie) will strengthen crucial positions, but we have a long way to go to compete with teams like Manly Storm etc on mental toughness.

Disagree with you about the mentally weak thing as I believe we fold because we have a lack of quality (hayne gets figured out and we don't have a plan b). We add options/impact from the bench/variable attacking options and we win 3/4 of those games I reckon but it's a moot point right now I guess.

Next year will be telling. If by the 6-8 week mark the side isn't looking dangerous (or starting to look like something) then I'd be starting to point at the coaches and support staff. This year it looked to me like sk was building on things as the season went along but just didn't have enough quality to jag a few more wins.

Fingers crossed it changes next year.

 

[yy_cheng]

Disagree with you about the mentally weak thing as I believe we fold because we have a lack of quality (hayne gets figured out and we don't have a plan b). We add options/impact from the bench/variable attacking options and we win 3/4 of those games I reckon but it's a moot point right now I guess.

Next year will be telling. If by the 6-8 week mark the side isn't looking dangerous (or starting to look like something) then I'd be starting to point at the coaches and support staff. This year it looked to me like sk was building on things as the season went along but just didn't have enough quality to jag a few more wins.

Fingers crossed it changes next year.

SK have built some structure but the structure won't win us games unless he puts some icing there.

I have not seen any icing this year as yet.

I am interested to see what type of icing he can bring to this team with the addition of the new signings.

I think we will be mediocre for 10 weeks. i.e. win some lose some.

We will start out playing safe football and let Sandow and Hayne do stuff.

But can he then change that 10 week settling in period to building a machine which plays percentages, maintain pressure and have set moves that are bread and butter try scoring plays ala what the broncos, melb, manly and those inside outside plays that the tigers do?

 

[howardjones]

SK have built some structure but the structure won't win us games unless he puts some icing there.

I have not seen any icing this year as yet.

I am interested to see what type of icing he can bring to this team with the addition of the new signings.

I think we will be mediocre for 10 weeks. i.e. win some lose some.

We will start out playing safe football and let Sandow and Hayne do stuff.

But can he then change that 10 week settling in period to building a machine which plays percentages, maintain pressure and have set moves that are bread and butter try scoring plays ala what the broncos, melb, manly and those inside outside plays that the tigers do?

Playing safe and Sandow/Hayne/Roberts doesn't work. :lol:

 

[Swiftstylez]

Ok, it's all Hicks' fault, and show pony Hayne was physically unable to give him good ball because he was so horribly out of position :roll:

This is ludricrous, seriously.

I love a good train wreck. Admittance is the first part of acceptance.

Looks like Bazal goes to sleep when his "Calvary" aren't here to back him up.

Have you ever thought though that people can have different opinions to you that are perfectly legitimate? Just because you hate Hayne doesn't mean everyone else has to.

I for one thought he was again the only reason we were close score-wise to our opposition. Hindmarsh's tackling prowess can only make up for how shit our team is defensively, the only points of the night came and were coming from Hayne. Come back and judge him again when we have a REAL team.

 

[Daneel]

two bad passes that could have led to trys last night from jarryd. however if hicks was on the wing instead of 5 in from touch it would have hit him on the chest, and im sure i actually seen hicks apologising to hayne. Still just have a look jarryd then you would know where he is. The second one was much worse, but i still thought hicks had enough time to compose himself gather the ball and score.

Its funny how individual players are getting blamed for the loss when the list could be 5 or 6 players long. The keating no pass to burt is the one that cuts me up the most. Give the f*cking ball.

 

[Daneel]

I love a good train wreck. Admittance is the first part of acceptance.

Looks like Bazal goes to sleep when his "Calvary" aren't here to back him up.

Have you ever thought though that people can have different opinions to you that are perfectly legitimate? Just because you hate Hayne doesn't mean everyone else has to.

I for one thought he was again the only reason we were close score-wise to our opposition. Hindmarsh's tackling prowess can only make up for how shit our team is defensively, the only points of the night came and were coming from Hayne. Come back and judge him again when we have a REAL team.

It seems ridiculous to me to bag our defence after a game where it was probably the thing we did the best. In fact if our defence didn't aim up early we never would have been in the game, which may have actually been easier to watch then giving up another 12 point lead.

 

[hybrideel]

The whole game was a comedy of errors. I can't see how singling anyone out when everyone made mistakes is going to do anything but cause an argument. I haven't seem a replay but my thoughts are
I didn't think Haynes first pass was a no looker, it looked purposely lobbed over the defence that had rushed up, whether it's Hayne's or Hick's fault is debatable either way.
The second pass was ordinary, still could've been taken but you can't blame Hicks for not getting it. Story of our seas