Impact of Super Rugby's structure change on the NRL

[jim_57]

So if QLD/NSW Cup expansion is so high on the agenda why after 4/5 years of trying are Fiji still sitting on their hands?

 

[King hit]

I would much prefer to see the Rebels go than the Force. There is a Rugby base in Western Australia and people there are interested in them and there are local juniors there. The Rebels have very little support or juniors. Hope they don't kill of Rugby there if they do cut the Force.

 

[Perth Red]

Rebels have a rich owner and force don't, about the only difference. Heard the rebels owner is happy to close the club down for $5mill for his license so aru have got an out there and can blame him I suppose.

Nrlwa CEO on potential nrl benefit

The boss of rugby league in Western Australia says if the Western Force are cut from the Super Rugby competition, it would add further weight to the state's long-term NRL bid.
NRLWA's chief executive John Sackson, is sympathetic of the Force's plight, but says the absence of any fully-professional rugby side in Perth should help open the door for the Australian Rugby League Commission.

There are 3,600 registered players in Western Australia, and last year five of the West Coast Pirate's SG Ball juniors debuted in the NRL's under-20s competition in round one.

They have also lost a number of promising juniors - including Force players Curtis Rona and Chance Peni - to the 15-man game as an easier path to professional sport arrived.

But Sackson predicted that if the Force were to be wound up, and a local NRL team entered, it would be able to claim the state's best athletes.

"The talented kids out of the rugby codes want to pursue a career," he said.

"That option now exists with the Force, and it could come back the other way."

http://wwos.nine.com.au/2017/04/10/03/33/perth-s-rugby-doubt-opens-door-for-nrl#Wi5AGB9trXQ07phv.99

 

[fourplay]

f**king typical.

I don't understand how a team in Perth done correctly would hinder club sustainability? It wouldn't cannibalise any of the market share such as the way multiple Sydney teams compete for sponsors etc. You'd think it would grow the overall market, increase sponsorship with the now national footprint, increase the TV rights with an extra game and also increase ratings due to the increased interest in the NRL from Perth,

 

[East Coast Tiger]

So if QLD/NSW Cup expansion is so high on the agenda why after 4/5 years of trying are Fiji still sitting on their hands?

I know right. It's almost as if Greenberg is full of shit.


But that can't be.

 

[adamkungl]

Not that I agree with basing our decisions on the VFLs

BUT

GWS Ceo claims that their 9th game is worth $57 million a year. Easily paying for the $35-40 mil the AFL hands out to the new expansion clubs .

He could be full of shit. But the money to piss down the Giants blackhole while propping up half of Melbourne is obviously coming from somewhere.

More likely that a game that doesn't undersell itself, is widely recognised as a national game, and is played across multiple timezones gets enough money to cover these things.

Instead we get lectured on "club sustainability" and told that an international sport doesn't have the player numbers to handle 2 new teams and "ummmmmm ahhh our media partners have told us they dont see much value in a 9th game"

If only Greenberg had an ounce of vision.

 

[Diesel]

Typical shit I expected from Greenberg. Totally uninspiring as usual.

 

[Suitman]

Gallop is saying the same about expansion of the A-League.
These guys are f**king muppets.

 

[wibble]

That is because the NRL is beholden to the clubs, not the other way around, and new clubs don't particularly help current clubs, even if they were great for the game.

The NRL can not have "vision" beyond "club sustainability" (read: more money for the current clubs, who will piss it all away anyway for competitive advantage, because they have no incentive to even care about their own long term futures, let alone the game's- much like political parties really, and shareholder driven companies...) while the clubs are running the game.

 

[Stormwarrior82]

Not that I agree with basing our decisions on the VFLs

BUT

GWS Ceo claims that their 9th game is worth $57 million a year. Easily paying for the $35-40 mil the AFL hands out to the new expansion clubs .

He could be full of shit. But the money to piss down the Giants blackhole while propping up half of Melbourne is obviously coming from somewhere.

More likely that a game that doesn't undersell itself, is widely recognised as a national game, and is played across multiple timezones gets enough money to cover these things.

Instead we get lectured on "club sustainability" and told that an international sport doesn't have the player numbers to handle 2 new teams and "ummmmmm ahhh our media partners have told us they dont see much value in a 9th game"

If only Greenberg had an ounce of vision.

What crap...
You believing the CEO of Gws? Yes a 9th game, 2 teams, would add value, but $57mil? The afl would spend well over that to the expansion clubs and the areas they oversee. Therefore being a burden on the afl. But a burden they are willing to handle for the long term. Only time will tell if that money would of been better spent elsewhere.

Since Smith and later Greenberg took over they have always stated that the clubs need to be financially stable. That's what this tv deal is all about. If the clubs fall over they have had more than enough help get on there feet and then would be at the mercy of the nrl and the chop/relocation or possibilites.

 

[Stormwarrior82]

That is because the NRL is beholden to the clubs, not the other way around, and new clubs don't particularly help current clubs, even if they were great for the game.

The NRL can not have "vision" beyond "club sustainability" (read: more money for the current clubs, who will piss it all away anyway for competitive advantage, because they have no incentive to even care about their own long term futures, let alone the game's- much like political parties really, and shareholder driven companies...) while the clubs are running the game.

Let's hope the KPIs placed on the clubs by the nrl in this latest MoU club grant agreement will stop the clubs rediculous spending. Time will tell.

What it will do is help expansion franchises to put budgets/sponsorship and funding projections together to further there chances and even bring forward there chances of admittance.

 

[adamkungl]

What crap...
You believing the CEO of Gws? Yes a 9th game, 2 teams, would add value, but $57mil? The afl would spend well over that to the expansion clubs and the areas they oversee. Therefore being a burden on the afl. But a burden they are willing to handle for the long term. Only time will tell if that money would of been better spent elsewhere.

Since Smith and later Greenberg took over they have always stated that the clubs need to be financially stable. That's what this tv deal is all about. If the clubs fall over they have had more than enough help get on there feet and then would be at the mercy of the nrl and the chop/relocation or possibilites.

Sorry, I don't buy that a 9th game and coast to coast exposure wouldn't cover the cost of 2 more club grants.

 

[Stormwarrior82]

I would cleary prefer the force to be punted. Because it would have more of an effect on the nrl and potentially quicken perths rl introduction. The Warl need to leverage any possible benefits from the force like, equipment, clubs, facilities, gov grants,players and I hope the nrl would help with that.

 

[Stormwarrior82]

Sorry, I don't buy that a 9th game and coast to coast exposure wouldn't cover the cost of 2 more club grants.

That's fine, I'm happy to disagree on those points.
The afl already have exposure in Sydney with the swans and the Gold Coast or a basket case and the exposure there is nearly negative anyway.

Regards to Nrl, gyngel did say a few years ago that the 9th game is worth about $40mil or something. $20 mil plus ($10mil each) would be given to the expansion clubs just in salary cap. Plus promotion plus plenty of extra $$ in every other area.

 

[Paullyboy]

That is because the NRL is beholden to the clubs, not the other way around, and new clubs don't particularly help current clubs, even if they were great for the game.

The NRL can not have "vision" beyond "club sustainability" (read: more money for the current clubs, who will piss it all away anyway for competitive advantage, because they have no incentive to even care about their own long term futures, let alone the game's- much like political parties really, and shareholder driven companies...) while the clubs are running the game.

Exactly. How are so many people confused by this? Greenburg can want to do something all he likes, but he's held to ransom by a pack of clubs with their own self-interest at heart.

The other problem is that the NRL is running at a loss at the moment, so expansion genuinely wouldn't be viable. We just need a Sydney club to be sent west, problem solved. Doesn't matter which one, any will do.

 

[Perth Red]

Seems aru signed an agreement with rugbywa that's guarantees them a place u til end of tv deal in 2020. If this is iron clad then I can see the aru reluctantly buying the rebels owner out and closing them down. I suspect they'd rather have Melbourne as a big city but Force arent going down without a fight.

 

[Perth Red]

That's fine, I'm happy to disagree on those points.
The afl already have exposure in Sydney with the swans and the Gold Coast or a basket case and the exposure there is nearly negative anyway.

Regards to Nrl, gyngel did say a few years ago that the 9th game is worth about $40mil or something. $20 mil plus ($10mil each) would be given to the expansion clubs just in salary cap. Plus promotion plus plenty of extra $$ in every other area.

Exactly, $40mill in last deal before the value of a game went up this deal. Expansion would cost around $30mill if done properly, if a ninth game isnt worth that then the nrl has some serious future product value problems. If they'd have got the ninth game in and got $40mill for it they'd still be $10mill a year better off than now that they could share with the existing broke arse clubs.

 

[adamkungl]

Exactly. How are so many people confused by this? Greenburg can want to do something all he likes, but he's held to ransom by a pack of clubs with their own self-interest at heart.

He doesn't want to do it at all.

The other problem is that the NRL is running at a loss at the moment, so expansion genuinely wouldn't be viable. We just need a Sydney club to be sent west, problem solved. Doesn't matter which one, any will do.

Maybe they shouldn't piss money into who knows what admin blackholes then

 

[Pommy]

What crap...
You believing the CEO of Gws? Yes a 9th game, 2 teams, would add value, but $57mil? The afl would spend well over that to the expansion clubs and the areas they oversee. Therefore being a burden on the afl. But a burden they are willing to handle for the long term. Only time will tell if that money would of been better spent elsewhere.

Since Smith and later Greenberg took over they have always stated that the clubs need to be financially stable. That's what this tv deal is all about. If the clubs fall over they have had more than enough help get on there feet and then would be at the mercy of the nrl and the chop/relocation or possibilites.

The difference between the proposed NRL expansion and the AFLs is the NRL would be expanding in to new markets the AFL haven't really.
Having teams in Perth and South NZ could add real value that isn't already being exploited by the NRL, certainly in Perths case.
Expanding in to western Sydney and the GC were both areas already covered by AFL relative to the interest in AFL. The time to travel from western Sydney to the SCG wouldn't be much different to that of traveling from the GC to Brisbane.

 

[Perth Red]

The difference between the proposed NRL expansion and the AFLs is the NRL would be expanding in to new markets the AFL haven't really.
Having teams in Perth and South NZ could add real value that isn't already being exploited by the NRL, certainly in Perths case.
Expanding in to western Sydney and the GC were both areas already covered by AFL relative to the interest in AFL. The time to travel from western Sydney to the SCG wouldn't be much different to that of traveling from the GC to Brisbane.

For afl the value was in the ninth game ie more content.

NRL benefits both from more content and new markets/time zones.

I still can't figure out how it couldn't pay for itself? When fox spat the dummy that was the time to offer an olive branch via a ninth game exclusive to them on a Sunday night. Keep all of nines offer and get the fox deal up with the ninth game and more content on the Sunday. Sigh.