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Valheru

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The guy couldn't wrestle his way out of a paper bag. If his career was based on wrestling ability he would have been a jobber who never won anything.
He was far from the greatest in ring worker of all time but he wasn't the worst either,

Check out his work in Japan if you are interested, he worked a completely different style there. Even in North America fueds/matches with guys like Flair, Savage, Warrior, Sgt Slaughter, Roddy Piper shows he had passable in ring ability.

His place in pro wrestling history cannot be understated though, he is the biggest draw in the history of the business. Bigger than Stone Cold and the Rock and it ain't even close. The only guys that come close are Inoki and Giant Baba in Japan but they didn't have 5% of the international appeal.
 

Pippen94

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He was far from the greatest in ring worker of all time but he wasn't the worst either,

Check out his work in Japan if you are interested, he worked a completely different style there. Even in North America fueds/matches with guys like Flair, Savage, Warrior, Sgt Slaughter, Roddy Piper shows he had passable in ring ability.

His place in pro wrestling history cannot be understated though, he is the biggest draw in the history of the business. Bigger than Stone Cold and the Rock and it ain't even close. The only guys that come close are Inoki and Giant Baba in Japan but they didn't have 5% of the international appeal.

Rikidōzan is biggest draw in Japan ever. I agree Hogan is most famous wrestler ever.
 
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I'm trying to remember the Hogan movie where hes riding his Harley and he scoops up the bad guy on the handlebars and then heads straight for a big tree. The bad guy is sh*tting himself and Hogan says "It's Harley and me and you and the tree". I have a feeling it might be Suburban Commando or Mr Nanny but I looked on IMDB and couldn't see it in the quotes for those two.
 

Pippen94

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I'm trying to remember the Hogan movie where hes riding his Harley and he scoops up the bad guy on the handlebars and then heads straight for a big tree. The bad guy is sh*tting himself and Hogan says "It's Harley and me and you and the tree". I have a feeling it might be Suburban Commando or Mr Nanny but I looked on IMDB and couldn't see it in the quotes for those two.

No holds barred with Zeus?!
 

MRN

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Industry wouldn't be what it is today without him. The Real American 80's run put the industry into the main stream. Then when the industry stagnated, he reinvented himself and reinvents the industry. No Hollywood Hogan and NWO, no Attitude era, Austin, Rock or DX as we know them.
And his final run as an in ring competitor in WWE was very successful. Blew the roof off Mania 18 and had successful programs with HBK, VKM and Orton among others. Put Angle over by tapping to him, put Lesnar over (unlike Austin).
The putrid rhetoric online today regarding his career is revisionist history. His personal life, well he dropped some slurs and supported Trump. Not ideal but geez, considering a lot of Hogan haters I've seen online are also Benoit apologists, it really makes you wonder.
 

Pippen94

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Industry wouldn't be what it is today without him. The Real American 80's run put the industry into the main stream. Then when the industry stagnated, he reinvented himself and reinvents the industry. No Hollywood Hogan and NWO, no Attitude era, Austin, Rock or DX as we know them.
And his final run as an in ring competitor in WWE was very successful. Blew the roof off Mania 18 and had successful programs with HBK, VKM and Orton among others. Put Angle over by tapping to him, put Lesnar over (unlike Austin).
The putrid rhetoric online today regarding his career is revisionist history. His personal life, well he dropped some slurs and supported Trump. Not ideal but geez, considering a lot of Hogan haters I've seen online are also Benoit apologists, it really makes you wonder.

He can be one of the most important figures in the history of the sport and also at the same time an utter bigot. He was caught on tape stating he didn't want his daughter to date black men. There's also another recording where he hopes his son Nick doesn't reincarnate as black due to karma. All part of his story and needs to be mentioned.
 

Valheru

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He can be one of the most important figures in the history of the sport and also at the same time an utter bigot. He was caught on tape stating he didn't want his daughter to date black men. There's also another recording where he hopes his son Nick doesn't reincarnate as black due to karma. All part of his story and needs to be mentioned.
He was also a 71 year old white man from Georgia. He is going to have some views that don't wash with mainstream society.

The bigotry stuff is one thing but who cares if he supported Trump?
 

Big Pete

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The thing about Hogan is that he wasn't a pioneer but he could read the room. He understood that the industry was trending towards the larger than life Billy Graham persona and leaned into that more heavily than the in-ring. By the time Vince was ready to flip the industry on it's head, Hogan was fully formed entity and was the perfect guy to be the face of it.
 

Big Pete

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My first exposure to Hogan was actually through film. When I was toddler, Hogan was making admittedly mediocre family films. Still, they didn't cast average joes in the lead, so I could appreciate Hogan as a big deal. Plus once I started getting into the Rocky movies I always dug Thunderlips.

I became a fan of Pro Wrestling right around the build-up to Road Wild '99. It's a PPV that hardly anyone ever talks about, but it featured one of the biggest matches in WCW history between Hogan-Nash. It's a rivalry nobody talks about and when they do it's all about the Fingerpoke of Doom, but it's a rivalry that had been brewing for two years and marked an end of an era for the company.

By this point Bischoff was well and truly burnt out and would ultimately be let go. This saw Russo come in and the first thing he did was take Hogan off of TV. Then Russo would lose his position for a time and suddenly the focus would be back on Hogan as they were building towards a Hogan-Sid match, only for WCW to hit another reset under Bischoff-Russo. It was a discombobulating time to be sure so when Hogan walked out on WCW at Bash at the Beach 2000, it didn't feel like as big a deal as it should have.

I was excited to see the nWo in the WWF but the company was in a weird place after the botched Invasion angle and it seemed like the poor creative that hurt that angle was still alive and well. I actually wasn't too keen on turning Hogan babyface, I saw how well it went in WCW and while it hit different with Wrestlemania being a homecoming, I didn't think it would last and sure enough the big babyface push only lasted a month.

I never thought much of the Mr. America gimmick. The Hogan/McMahon rivalry led to a perfectly fine sports entertainment match at Wrestlemania XIX but it just felt like such an unnecessary turn of events and was a dull way to end Hogan's second stint in the company.

The actual highlight for me was his 2005 run where he gets inducted into the Hall of Fame, takes down the evil foreigners one last time before having a dream match with HBK. I also thought it was one of the few interesting things Michaels did and while everyone remembers Shawn's ridiculous bumps, I thought it actually served the match. Shawn already took some crazy bumps, if ever you were going to dial it up, it'd be against Hogan.

I barely remember the 2006 program with Orton and he wouldn't resurface again until 2010s TNA. I was really active on here around that time and I remember with TNA we all wanted it to be the sports-based alternative to WWE that showcased the athleticism of it's performers. There were a few who were optimistic about Hogan-Bischoff but it was pretty obvious they were going to take the company down a different path. Still, I don't buy that they killed TNA - it was more a case of nothing ventured nothing gained. Hogan lending his name to TNA gave them a lot of stroke, the issue was that he was limited in what he could do and you still had that Russo/Bischoff creative that was like oil and water.

While the show was a mess, it was still note-worthy and every now and then you'd get a quality MCMG, Beer Money, Kurt Angle, Mr. Anderson, AJ Styles etc. match to get into.

So I may have only caught the tail end, but even then he was still able to have a big impact and commanded interest on a level very few performers are able to.
 

Valheru

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If anyone wants some perspective about how big a draw hogan was have a listen to Pritchard on STW.

Prior to going back to WWE in 2019, his biggest ever pay day was wrestlemania 5 in 1989. That's not allowing for inflation, that's his highest aggregate up through the attitude era up to 2008.

Further, as popular as both savage and warrior were, the house show business saw significant losses in both 1988 and 1990 when they became champs respectively.
 

Pippen94

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He was also a 71 year old white man from Georgia. He is going to have some views that don't wash with mainstream society.

The bigotry stuff is one thing but who cares if he supported Trump?

Hogan wasn't an isolated rural bumpkin. He spent his entire adult life travelling the world working with people of all backgrounds. Social media has desensitised people to extreme views but anybody with Hogan's views on race aren't a good person.
 
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I listened to a few podcasts about this and I felt Wrestletalk hit the nail on the head. There are 4 hulk hogans
1. The Hill Hogan who wrestled in the 80s through until he retired. He built an industry that is still going today and has created many stars of which he still may be the biggest.
2. Terry Bolea a flawed human and there are countless examples of him being a horrible piece of work, but probably also many examples of him doing great things.
3. The backstage politician. The guy who tried to end the undertakers career with a bold faced lie. Who told Charles Robinson not to fast count in 1997, essentially ruining the blow off to the biggest storyline in WCW history. “That doesn’t work for me brother”
4. The myth of hulk hogan - what hulk hogan says he did despite it being easily disproven. Was asked to be the bass player of Metallica.

people will remember 2-4 but there is no denying 1s impact on the business. We are not here discussing wrestling in 2025 without Hulk Hogan. We are probably talking about Monday Nitro instead of Raw without Stone Cold.
 
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