Incorporating Tri Natons and World Cup

[taipan]

Taipan,


Brendothejet made a peurile statement to the effect that "everybody knows that international rugby union teams are full of Aussies, Poms and New Zealanders".

You agreed, saying that I, Woods99, know this, but prefer to keep it under the carpet.

Your last post was full of uncalled-for detail, but did not answer the basic question that I asked.

I will ask it again. There are clear rules about qualification for international representation in rugby union. What are the rules in rugby league? And who sets them?

I have in mind players representing one country in a League World Cup, and another in other types of internationals.

Carpets? Reality? Pots? Kettles?

Simply I hit you with facts on who runs the RLIF,you asked for it ,you asked for reality you got reality . Uncalled for detail ? is needed to spell it out to those who obviously dont know,if you dont like the info tough.The RLIF sets the rules FFS.
Courtesy of the ARL"At its meeting today(26/11/05)the RLIF has confirmed that 10 nations will compete in the RLWC2008.
The Federation has also agreed that each competing nation's squad must meet the following criteria relating to domestic based players:
Each nation 's squad must have at least 6 players who have played and been registered in the relevant domestic competition for at least 1year.
or Each squad must contain 6 players who have played in one of that nation's junior intnl teams such as student representative or second tier intnl sides within 18 months prior to the tournament".
Spelt out in black and white.

The rules are clear in union then mcdougall makes it look farcical he is in the Scottish training squad within 6 months of arriving..We have countries such as Japan,USA ccording to union officialdom has tens of thousands of players,yet have to rely on Aussies NZedders to give the country a boost.
Nothing necessarily wrong with that however,says little for the development of home grown players over the decades in those countries.Rugby league has been going amere few years in countries such as Lebanon.USA,Ireland ,Russia. Not bad then!

If you are hinting in any way what happened in the 2008RLWC,there aint going to be a repeat of that for starters.
Pots ! perhaps what you call the kettle at times,from someone who claims to only watch 4 minutes of the game,and you expect to be taken seriously.

 

[Woods99]

Simply I hit you with facts on who runs the RLIF,you asked for it ,you asked for reality you got reality . Uncalled for detail ? is needed to spell it out to those who obviously dont know,if you dont like the info tough.The RLIF sets the rules FFS.
Courtesy of the ARL"At its meeting today(26/11/05)the RLIF has confirmed that 10 nations will compete in the RLWC2008.
The Federation has also agreed that each competing nation's squad must meet the following criteria relating to domestic based players:
Each nation 's squad must have at least 6 players who have played and been registered in the relevant domestic competition for at least 1year.
or Each squad must contain 6 players who have played in one of that nation's junior intnl teams such as student representative or second tier intnl sides within 18 months prior to the tournament".
Spelt out in black and white.

Errrr. What is the address of the RLIF? Does it really exist?

So six players must have been registed in the nation's domestic competition for one year, or have played in junior teams etc. Is that it? No other qualification? Country of birth? Residence?

And what about the other players (other than the six)? Presumably they can all come from Western Sydney?

The rules are clear in union then mcdougall makes it look farcical he is in the Scottish training squad within 6 months of arriving.

Presumably MacDougall qualifies under the parent/grandparent rule. Do you know otherwise?

We are happy to welcome the Kostya's and Tatiana Grigorieva's and so on. Presumably Tatiana qualified according to the rules before representing Australia? As will MacDougall, if and when he represents Scotland. Suck it up.

.We have countries such as Japan,USA ccording to union officialdom has tens of thousands of players,yet have to rely on Aussies NZedders to give the country a boost.

Just like basketball in Australia uses Yanks to give the game a boost here. Occasionally one even settles here, and qualifies to represent Australia.

And just as England's premier league competition, the ESL, needs stacks of Aussies and New Zealanders to bolster all their teams.

Nothing necessarily wrong with that however,says little for the development of home grown players over the decades in those countries.Rugby league has been going amere few years in countries such as Lebanon.USA,Ireland ,Russia. Not bad then!

Not bad for a game that has been partly or fully professional for 100 years? Why has it taken so long to get any sort of expansion at all? And don't give me all that "prejudice" bullsh*t. Lots of other sports have expanded over the last 100 years, sports with a lot less money than league has.

If you are hinting in any way what happened in the 2008RLWC,there aint going to be a repeat of that for starters.
Pots ! perhaps what you call the kettle at times,from someone who claims to only watch 4 minutes of the game,and you expect to be taken seriously.

I like your optimism, Taipan. Honestly I took absolutely no notice of what happened in the 2000 RLWC. I was a bit more interested in reasons why the 20004 event did not take place. Again, I like your optimism, although some might describe it as a triumph of hope over reason.

 

[brendothejet]

Woods99 I'll give you credit for actually having a case and stating it clearly unlike many of your union troll friends.

What I won't give credit is your arguement itself.

We all know you love hanging sh*t on the 2000WC. In case you haven't noticed, so do we RL fans. We all know you love hanging sh*t on the RLIF. In case you haven't noticed, so do we RL fans.

Where you f**k up and fall over is in trying to defend international union. The only, ONLY difference between international RL and RU (besides the game itself of course) is that the IRB love talking up anything and everything they can. They talk and talk and talk and talk about how great the game is and its expansion and bla bla bla. at the end of the day they present a poor product of very low quality.

International Rl knows its limitations and does not try and sell people the dummy, unlike your 03WC. (worst.tournament.ever.)

 

[Woods99]

Woods99 I'll give you credit for actually having a case and stating it clearly unlike many of your union troll friends.

What I won't give credit is your arguement itself.

We all know you love hanging sh*t on the 2000WC. In case you haven't noticed, so do we RL fans. We all know you love hanging sh*t on the RLIF. In case you haven't noticed, so do we RL fans.

Where you f**k up and fall over is in trying to defend international union. The only, ONLY difference between international RL and RU (besides the game itself of course) is that the IRB love talking up anything and everything they can. They talk and talk and talk and talk about how great the game is and its expansion and bla bla bla. at the end of the day they present a poor product of very low quality.

International Rl knows its limitations and does not try and sell people the dummy, unlike your 03WC. (worst.tournament.ever.)

Brendo,

At the end of the day, it all comes down to personal preference. Some of us have grown up with one sport, some with the other. Usually we will tend to prefer the sport we grew up with. But your opinion is no better, no worse, and no more or less valuable than mine.

I think that the very existence of something like the IRB is desperately needed by rugby league. You can disagree, that is your right. However, it is hard to dispute the fact that international rugby league has not done as well as it should have. As somebody who believes that league is the superior sport, you have to ask yourself why this is so.

The superior sport, you would say, but it struggles to make an impact internationally.

Instead of bagging the IRB for doing what an international body should do, that is, promote and govern the sport, why don't you look for the reasons that there is not a similar body in rugby league? Don't blame the IRB, and don't blame me, that there isn't one.

 

[bender]

They are on the IRB website. Easy to find. Look under "Regulations".

Where are the league rules?

Thanks for that.

For anyone wondering the rules are 1 of 3:

1. Grandparents (1)
2. 3 years residency
3. Place of Birth
4. 1 Nation per adult life (after 2000).

Just a couple of very quick and interesting points:

1. Other than rule 4, they are not as strict as the RL league rules (well assuming the RL ones arent changed at the drop of a hat like usual.

2. EVery single League team that is criticised eg Italy, Lebanon, Singapore etc would all be able to represent their countries at union.

 

[brendothejet]

Brendo,

At the end of the day, it all comes down to personal preference. Some of us have grown up with one sport, some with the other. Usually we will tend to prefer the sport we grew up with. But your opinion is no better, no worse, and no more or less valuable than mine.

I think that the very existence of something like the IRB is desperately needed by rugby league. You can disagree, that is your right. However, it is hard to dispute the fact that international rugby league has not done as well as it should have. As somebody who believes that league is the superior sport, you have to ask yourself why this is so.

The superior sport, you would say, but it struggles to make an impact internationally.



Instead of bagging the IRB for doing what an international body should do, that is, promote and govern the sport, why don't you look for the reasons that there is not a similar body in rugby league? Don't blame the IRB, and don't blame me, that there isn't one.

Woods.

Im more than aware of the impact growing up on a particular game whether it be RL, RU or checkers has on a person's viewpoint.

Yes you are right that IRB has been doing their job, and if we were to measure the progress of Ru internationally it would stakc up nicely. However, I was saying the way they do the job is pathetic.

Everyone involved in international rugby league, especially the developing nations, is aware of the state of the game and exactly the level they are atand don't go around telling the world otherwise.

The IRB trys to force feed garbage to the public about crap football teams and the amazing presence of RU in particular countries when often this is just a bunch of ex pats and a couple of colonial english private schools.

yep, we haven't developed internationally like we shuold have (RL) but that doesn't give our governing body the place to start bullsh*ting their way through life.

 

[screeny]

At the end of the day, it all comes down to personal preference. Some of us have grown up with one sport, some with the other. Usually we will tend to prefer the sport we grew up with. But your opinion is no better, no worse, and no more or less valuable than mine.

I know of a lot of people who've grown up with RU then switched to the superior sport, RL, when they've come across it in later life. I'm just one of many. I personally don't know of any who've grown up leaguies and said "hey, RU offers much more as a sport, to player or fan, I prefer it."

 

[taipan]

Errrr. What is the address of the RLIF? Does it really exist?

So six players must have been registed in the nation's domestic competition for one year, or have played in junior teams etc. Is that it? No other qualification? Country of birth? Residence?

And what about the other players (other than the six)? Presumably they can all come from Western Sydney?



Presumably MacDougall qualifies under the parent/grandparent rule. Do you know otherwise?

We are happy to welcome the Kostya's and Tatiana Grigorieva's and so on. Presumably Tatiana qualified according to the rules before representing Australia? As will MacDougall, if and when he represents Scotland. Suck it up.



Just like basketball in Australia uses Yanks to give the game a boost here. Occasionally one even settles here, and qualifies to represent Australia.

And just as England's premier league competition, the ESL, needs stacks of Aussies and New Zealanders to bolster all their teams.



Not bad for a game that has been partly or fully professional for 100 years? Why has it taken so long to get any sort of expansion at all? And don't give me all that "prejudice" bullsh*t. Lots of other sports have expanded over the last 100 years, sports with a lot less money than league has.



I like your optimism, Taipan. Honestly I took absolutely no notice of what happened in the 2000 RLWC. I was a bit more interested in reasons why the 20004 event did not take place. Again, I like your optimism, although some might describe it as a triumph of hope over reason.

woods99 for somone who took no notice of the RLWC2000 your making yourself out to be an expert looks pathetic.
the address of the RLIF in Sydney
=ARL.you can write to Colin Love or Tas Bateiri its not hard,then again it may be beyond you.
mate you came on this forum blabbing on as rah rah paranoids are bound to do,asking is there an RLIF ,what are the rules,they are there in black and white.You are making now a case for basketballers,boxers,pole vaulters apearing for oz,so you are in no position to question the criteria for entry into the 2008 WC,which by the way you stated wouldnt eventuate.
If union players for USA,Scotland,Ireland can come from nth eastern
suburbs of sydney,the sky isthe limit hey what.What the hell has Oz players
in theESL clubs,got to do with national representation anyway.

I dont give bull...t mate the reason rugby league hasnt expanded intnly to where it shouldbe greedy clubs,super league wars,French rugby league assets stolen,no official recognition of the game by the govt until late 20th century,game not allowed to be taught in schools nor PE to teach it,(the issue is now being revisited by ActifX111 with a submission to de villepin who admitted in December in the media,"that there were still wartime issues to be faced properly not swept away." And dont crap on about the French team of the 50s they were the remnants of a an era,and when de Gaulle came to power union became his method of establishing relationships with the french establishment.Ifyou dont know and you should sport iswell supported by the french education system,if you cant have league in the schools grassroots eventually wither.
You have no friggin clue as to the discrimination against rugby league in italy (insurance comp) or south africa(downright animosity),or the threats against any japanese union player who tried his hand at rugby league,or the banning of rugby league in the armed forces in the UK until late 90s.
No other sport has had to put up with the crap that rugby league has had to over the years,which has hindered its growth .To use the argument that other sports have grown,but without the blatant interference of outsiders.
Ican assure you prior to the super league war in oz ,the ARL had in
the bank close to $20m.Arthurson and Quayle had begun to push the game intnly .All these funds were soaken up to pay inflated figures for players.
i dont give a rats whether you like my optimism,safe to say rugby league is now played in more countries than at any time of its existence fact,its tri series is making money fact,its SOO is making money and attracting huge ratings,the NRL and ESL have secured large TV contracts and increased both viewing and spectator audiences.
yes it is small compared to the megagiant union on the intnl scene,but if me mere me a mere pimple on this earth can switch from union to rugby league ,who is to say there are not other mere mortals or"traitors" who dare try there hand at league and become converted.
You never cease to amaze me " I ignored the 200RLWC,noted the 2004 cancelled and am concerned about the 2008WC and the eligibility rules".:alcho:

 

[Woods99]

I know of a lot of people who've grown up with RU then switched to the superior sport, RL, when they've come across it in later life. I'm just one of many. I personally don't know of any who've grown up leaguies and said "hey, RU offers much more as a sport, to player or fan, I prefer it."

Screeny,

Where do you live? Toorak?

I grew up in Sydney, and was aware of both rugby codes from the moment I was old enough to understand anything. You would have to be deaf, dumb, blind, and living in an igloo not to have "come across rugby league" early in your life.

Please explain.:roll:

 

[Woods99]

woods99 for somone who took no notice of the RLWC2000 your making yourself out to be an expert looks pathetic.
the address of the RLIF in Sydney
=ARL.you can write to Colin Love or Tas Bateiri its not hard,then again it may be beyond you.
mate you came on this forum blabbing on as rah rah paranoids are bound to do,asking is there an RLIF ,what are the rules,they are there in black and white.You are making now a case for basketballers,boxers,pole vaulters apearing for oz,so you are in no position to question the criteria for entry into the 2008 WC,which by the way you stated wouldnt eventuate.
If union players for USA,Scotland,Ireland can come from nth eastern
suburbs of sydney,the sky isthe limit hey what.What the hell has Oz players
in theESL clubs,got to do with national representation anyway.

I dont give bull...t mate the reason rugby league hasnt expanded intnly to where it shouldbe greedy clubs,super league wars,French rugby league assets stolen,no official recognition of the game by the govt until late 20th century,game not allowed to be taught in schools nor PE to teach it,(the issue is now being revisited by ActifX111 with a submission to de villepin who admitted in December in the media,"that there were still wartime issues to be faced properly not swept away." And dont crap on about the French team of the 50s they were the remnants of a an era,and when de Gaulle came to power union became his method of establishing relationships with the french establishment.Ifyou dont know and you should sport iswell supported by the french education system,if you cant have league in the schools grassroots eventually wither.
You have no friggin clue as to the discrimination against rugby league in italy (insurance comp) or south africa(downright animosity),or the threats against any japanese union player who tried his hand at rugby league,or the banning of rugby league in the armed forces in the UK until late 90s.
No other sport has had to put up with the crap that rugby league has had to over the years,which has hindered its growth .To use the argument that other sports have grown,but without the blatant interference of outsiders.
Ican assure you prior to the super league war in oz ,the ARL had in
the bank close to $20m.Arthurson and Quayle had begun to push the game intnly .All these funds were soaken up to pay inflated figures for players.
i dont give a rats whether you like my optimism,safe to say rugby league is now played in more countries than at any time of its existence fact,its tri series is making money fact,its SOO is making money and attracting huge ratings,the NRL and ESL have secured large TV contracts and increased both viewing and spectator audiences.
yes it is small compared to the megagiant union on the intnl scene,but if me mere me a mere pimple on this earth can switch from union to rugby league ,who is to say there are not other mere mortals or"traitors" who dare try there hand at league and become converted.
You never cease to amaze me " I ignored the 200RLWC,noted the 2004 cancelled and am concerned about the 2008WC and the eligibility rules".:alcho:

Taipan,

You've got too much time on your hands.

Have you thought about writing a novel?

 

[taipan]

Taipan,

You've got too much time on your hands.

Have you thought about writing a novel?

Seeing I do not waste time on union sites,your comment is hypocritical.My time is my time BTW.
No there are enough novel writers in this world such as Carlton, Fitzsimons,Jenkins and Zavos.Ill stick to history and autobiographies with your permission of course.;-)

 

[screeny]

Screeny,

Where do you live? Toorak?

I grew up in Sydney, and was aware of both rugby codes from the moment I was old enough to understand anything. You would have to be deaf, dumb, blind, and living in an igloo not to have "come across rugby league" early in your life.

Please explain.:roll:

Deaf, dumb, blind, or....... born and raised in London in pre-satellite telly days. I really got turned onto RL when I saw SOO.....on SKY.

 

[Woods99]

Deaf, dumb, blind, or....... born and raised in London in pre-satellite telly days. I really got turned onto RL when I saw SOO.....on SKY.

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Screeny,

That explains it. Thanks for sharing your story. Which part of London did you come from?

 

[brendothejet]

Sometimes I am amazed at the way we all wander away from the point of a topic.

guilty as charged i know.

The fact of the matter is the RLWC is coming. Woods99 is annoyed that every league fan, a lot of union fans and a hell of a lot of sporting fans in general are going to have a top time spending a few weeks watching some quality rugby league.

By the end of it we are all going to have seen some fantastic footy, learn about a couple of players (I'm predicting an Eric the Eel story from somewhere like Russia or USA who gets signed to a premier league team)

Woods, your pissed off that RL as a sport is so resilient in that we can bounce back from the superleague war, the WC2000 debacle and the "success" of 03RUWC to get back on our feet, dust ourselves off and have another go.

In 08 RL will finally step up and show just how good a sport it is, on the field, in the stands and in our growing footholds across the world.

f**k off and deal with the fact we have something to look forward to and all you have is a bunch of fat blokes kicking the ball off the field and packing scrums.

 

[Woods99]

Sometimes I am amazed at the way we all wander away from the point of a topic.

guilty as charged i know.



The fact of the matter is the RLWC is coming. Woods99 is annoyed that every league fan, a lot of union fans and a hell of a lot of sporting fans in general are going to have a top time spending a few weeks watching some quality rugby league.

Everything good that I ever wanted to happen in sport has happened. Australia has won two RWCs, and Eastwood finally won a first grade premiership in 1999. Nothing, and I mean nothing can annoy me. Except sporting cliches, I suppose.

How will the quality of the play during the RLWC compare with, for example, SOO? Higher? Lower?

By the end of it we are all going to have seen some fantastic footy, learn about a couple of players (I'm predicting an Eric the Eel story from somewhere like Russia or USA who gets signed to a premier league team)

Eric the Eel was an atrociously poor performer, the worst in the world in his event by the length of the Flemington straight. You want to see this story emulated? Will you start a campaign for your club to recruit the worst in the world?

Woods, your pissed off that RL as a sport is so resilient in that we can bounce back from the superleague war, the WC2000 debacle and the "success" of 03RUWC to get back on our feet, dust ourselves off and have another go.

You are being a bit kind to yourselves by ignoring the 2004 RLWC debacle, as well as the failure of 2000.

Lots of forms of popular entertainment are resilient in their markets. League is certainly resilient in Eastern Australia. Leaves the rest of the world available for other sports. If you know what I mean.

In 08 RL will finally step up and show just how good a sport it is, on the field, in the stands and in our growing footholds across the world.

f**k off and deal with the fact we have something to look forward to and all you have is a bunch of fat blokes kicking the ball off the field and packing scrums.

So, finally, in 2008, a mere 113 years since its inception, rugby league will finally show the world what a great sport it is. Well, better late than never, I suppose. When are you going to break the news to the rest of the world? Most people seem to think that "rugby" means rugby, and a "league" is a competition?

 

[brendothejet]

Everything good that I ever wanted to happen in sport has happened. Australia has won two RWCs, and Eastwood finally won a first grade premiership in 1999. Nothing, and I mean nothing can annoy me. Except sporting cliches, I suppose.

How will the quality of the play during the RLWC compare with, for example, SOO? Higher? Lower?

--------------------------------------------------------------------------So you wouldn't be annoyed if Australia never won a world cup in union again? So you wouldn't be annoyed if the super 14 folded? You wouldn't be annoyed if your boyfriend dumped you? I think youwould.

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Eric the Eel was an atrociously poor performer, the worst in the world in his event by the length of the Flemington straight. You want to see this story emulated? Will you start a campaign for your club to recruit the worst in the world?

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Eric teh Eel was a character. No he hasnt the greatest sportsmen ever but he captured the spirit of the games. An amatuer doing his best. I believe there will be many such characters who not only perform skillfully, but in the spirit of the game and the tournament.
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You are being a bit kind to yourselves by ignoring the 2004 RLWC debacle, as well as the failure of 2000.

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If you read the post i quite clearly pointed that out, calling it a debacle myself.

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Lots of forms of popular entertainment are resilient in their markets. League is certainly resilient in Eastern Australia. Leaves the rest of the world available for other sports. If you know what I mean.
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If your claiming the rest of the world for Rugby you are dreaming.


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So, finally, in 2008, a mere 113 years since its inception, rugby league will finally show the world what a great sport it is. Well, better late than never, I suppose. When are you going to break the news to the rest of the world? Most people seem to think that "rugby" means rugby, and a "league" is a competition?

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We have been consistently showing how great our game is for along time. the 08WC will just show more of the world.

 

[brendothejet]

sorry that didnt work and it ended up in your quote.

 

[phonetic]

Eric the Eel.. Namibia RU... hmmm. I'm seeing some parallels. And you could comfortably substitute those poor Namibians with a number of sides who formed the 'competition' in the 03 world cup.

Of course there's going to be atrociously poor performers at the RLWC! There are some atrociously bad Rugby League developing nations out there... because that's exactly what they are.. developing nations.

I'm just excited to get out to as many games as I physically can, and I'm sure I'm not alone. Despite the probability of one sided pool games.

 

[taipan]

Everything good that I ever wanted to happen in sport has happened. Australia has won two RWCs, and Eastwood finally won a first grade premiership in 1999. Nothing, and I mean nothing can annoy me. Except sporting cliches, I suppose.

How will the quality of the play during the RLWC compare with, for example, SOO? Higher? Lower?



Eric the Eel was an atrociously poor performer, the worst in the world in his event by the length of the Flemington straight. You want to see this story emulated? Will you start a campaign for your club to recruit the worst in the world?



You are being a bit kind to yourselves by ignoring the 2004 RLWC debacle, as well as the failure of 2000.

Lots of forms of popular entertainment are resilient in their markets. League is certainly resilient in Eastern Australia. Leaves the rest of the world available for other sports. If you know what I mean.



So, finally, in 2008, a mere 113 years since its inception, rugby league will finally show the world what a great sport it is. Well, better late than never, I suppose. When are you going to break the news to the rest of the world? Most people seem to think that "rugby" means rugby, and a "league" is a competition?

Thrilled you are still breaking into a sweat over RWC and Eastwood.Most people have forgotten the 2003WC(that was going to take over rugby league in Oz) and fewer still know of a team from Eastwood.Keep the banner flying Also the 2003 win by english union team would mean the strangulation of rugby league in england(the game is in fact booming).
Not too many matches of either code of rugby match SOO ,as stated by a former English union capt(former lady di's interest),SOO was the best rugby he had seen.
Very few forms of entertainment are brought to their financial knees and bounce back even better.Then again union in Scotland is going backwards,not exactly resilient.
Leaves the rest of the world -available for growth as shown throughout the UK for starters for rugby league.
You stated that you ignored the 2000RLWC,harped on about the no go 2004 ,and now have the t..t..ts that there will be one in 2008.
As union has been in existence for longer than rugby league,it is still an east coast oz sport,and took them 100 years to even get the brainstorm to have a world cup after the rugby league thought of the idea in the 50s.

You seem to know most people sheesh you get around,in Victoria for starters rugby means both codes to the average joe in the street,and they generally have a dislike for both codes.
No one is claiming the 2008RLWC will be a better standard than SOO,no one is claiming there will be 500million viewers,no one is claiming it will take over the world,it is there for the players and fans to grow the game internationally.
Live with it.

 

[Polynesian Warrior]

Taipan ! Not too many matches match that of SOO in Australia . But in NZ and South Africa there aren't many that can match the Bledisloe Cup and SA/All Blacks games .
Will Carling Also thought the Bledisloe Cup was the best Rugby game in the world by far .
Rugby has its ups and downs Taipan and Im sure Scotland Rugby is up there with Frencg rugby league .
Who cares if Rugby didn't have world cup before league ? Rugby league had since 1950 to sort its world cup and still struggling to make a profit out of it or a tournament out of it .