Injury Update

[mxlegend99]

You clearly have no idea what you are talking about. Medically speaking, there was no reason not to allow Whare to play, with his injury, it's impossible to know how it would react, the only thing you can do is suck it and see. He was just as likely to injure during a fitness test.

As far as Moylan goes, my understanding is that he down played the severity of the soreness in order to play, if the players are going to do that, the training staff can only go by what they are told.

It's not luck, bad or good, it's part of a Contact sport.

Medically speaking a guy cleared to run on Tuesday is clearly not 100% on Thursday. His injury was easy to predict... and considering sitting out one more game gave him.an additional 11 days recovery time it was a stupid risk to take.

How hard is that for you to comprehend? You think a guy is fit to play an 80 minute contact sport 2 days after being cleared to run? Or do you think waiting an extra 11 days would have been a smarter choice? 11 days is clearly going to make a huge difference to his fitness.

But go on and believe it's purely luck and it was unavoidable. Plenty of people on here thought it was a stupid risk to take when the change was announced and as expected we were proven right. You want to bury your head in the sand and believe it's all bad luck and we have zero control over it. Good for you. But you're clearly the one with no idea.

We might aswell stop doing stretches and warming up before games. Injuries are all about luck so why waste time trying to decrease the chance at injury since it's apparently impossible to do.

 

[Luke Bowden]

Medically speaking a guy cleared to run on Tuesday is clearly not 100% on Thursday. His injury was easy to predict... and considering sitting out one more game gave him.an additional 11 days recovery time it was a stupid risk to take.

How hard is that for you to comprehend? You think a guy is fit to play an 80 minute contact sport 2 days after being cleared to run? Or do you think waiting an extra 11 days would have been a smarter choice? 11 days is clearly going to make a huge difference to his fitness.

But go on and believe it's purely luck and it was unavoidable. Plenty of people on here thought it was a stupid risk to take when the change was announced and as expected we were proven right. You want to bury your head in the sand and believe it's all bad luck and we have zero control over it. Good for you. But you're clearly the one with no idea.

We might aswell stop doing stretches and warming up before games. Injuries are all about luck so why waste time trying to decrease the chance at injury since it's apparently impossible to do.

You could have made it 30 days and it still would have torn, the Muscle didn't knit correctly, you don't know that until it's tested. He was fit to play.

Do you actually have any idea about what you are talking about?? It's not luck, it's the human body.

Get a clue before posting these crazy long rants.

Go and pay a Physio $80.00 and get him to explain to you how this stuff works.

 

[umina panther]

I love any chance to stick the boot into our substandard medical and training staff but the Hiku injury couldn't have been helped in any way

 

[Luke Bowden]

I think it's laughable that Ronnie Palmer is considered "Sub-Standard". The man receives job offers every week from organisations all over the world and yet, the key board warriors on here consider him and his team "Sub-Standard"!

When you set the standard, how do you hire someone better??

 

[umina panther]

Lol yeah our last 2 years are the standard hahaha

 

[mxlegend99]

You could have made it 30 days and it still would have torn, the Muscle didn't knit correctly, you don't know that until it's tested. He was fit to play.

Do you actually have any idea about what you are talking about?? It's not luck, it's the human body.

Get a clue before posting these crazy long rants.

Go and pay a Physio $80.00 and get him to explain to you how this stuff works.

Mate you're the one who thinks you can do nothing to prevent injuries. Let's just throw all our kids into first grade. They're no more likely to get injured then our other players.

Since injuries can't be prevented and the odds cant be decreased. Although you've taken a different angle in saying that they can't be prevented AND it's not luck.

 

[murraymob]

who is going to blame hiku injury of our staff love to see that

 

[mxlegend99]

"My specific area is in keeping the best players on the field as much as possible; reducing their risk of injury while making sure they are performing to their fullest," he said.

Palmer began training in rugby league long before such rigorous testing and analysis came about. Today, it can be hard negotiating training interests with that of the team's sports scientists, he said. "Sometimes you have to run a fine line. People have jobs to do, and if you continually deny or refuse their advice it can become uncomfortable."

http://m.smh.com.au/rugby-league/le...-nsw-blues-ronnie-palmer-20140919-10ixp5.html

Reducing the risk of injury... but how is that possible if it's luck and nothing more?

 

[Luke Bowden]

When have I ever said its Luck???

You can do a hell of a lot to prevent injuries and they do. But not the injuries we are getting.
If you'd like me to explain it further, I'd be happy too, but I charge a lot more then $80.00 an hour.

Prevention of the types of injuries we have been incurring (Knees mainly) comes through changing our attack. Players that skip side ways and attempt to fend their way through the line are in much more danger of this sort of injury.

Players that hit the line front on are on the lower end of the scale.

If you want to prevent these injuries, get play makers that create holes to run into and change your point of attack. The Cowboys and Storm and even the Qld team are perfect examples of this.

Feel free to continue googling all you like, but until we improve that area of our game, we will remain in a higher risk bracket.

 

[mxlegend99]

That's the first I have seen you admit we can decrease the chance of injuries. You seemed to be siding with the guys living in a fantasy world where it is luck and nothing more.

 

[Luke Bowden]

No... I've never said that.

All I've said is that there's only so much our strength and conditioning staff can do, blaming them from these injuries is crazy.

The players themselves and the football coaching staff can do a lot more to prevent these injuries.

 

[franklin2323]

Please back up that 90% claim.

I will answer this with a question. Do you honestly think NQ, Broncos & hell Qld SOO team players. Train the same way as us & Tigers do?

 

[Luke Bowden]

I will answer this with a question. Do you honestly think NQ, Broncos & hell Qld SOO team players. Train the same way as us & Tigers do?

Physical Fitness... Yep, I can say with a fair amount of certainty they do.

The actual "Rugby League" training, Match tactics etc... No, I don't think do, I've not really looked into this side of things (I am keen too) but based on the way they play, it's apparent they don't.

 

[franklin2323]

Lol yeah our last 2 years are the standard hahaha

2 years? I posted his record since 09. He was good but like Sheens with coaching he's past it

 

[franklin2323]

Physical Fitness... Yep, I can say with a fair amount of certainty they do.

watching pre game warm ups seems standard. It's more how we handle the niggles and whether the training plan is right for the player. Seems to me players are eased back but go hard late in the week to test them out.

 

[Karnivayne]

When have I ever said its Luck???

You can do a hell of a lot to prevent injuries and they do. But not the injuries we are getting.
If you'd like me to explain it further, I'd be happy too, but I charge a lot more then $80.00 an hour.

Prevention of the types of injuries we have been incurring (Knees mainly) comes through changing our attack. Players that skip side ways and attempt to fend their way through the line are in much more danger of this sort of injury.

Players that hit the line front on are on the lower end of the scale.

If you want to prevent these injuries, get play makers that create holes to run into and change your point of attack. The Cowboys and Storm and even the Qld team are perfect examples of this.

Feel free to continue googling all you like, but until we improve that area of our game, we will remain in a higher risk bracket.

Hiku was injured by a player putting his full bodyweight on Hiku's back leg using his rear knee which forced all the weight onto his front leg, the momentum from the player swinging in from behind buckled Hiku's front knee, the player over the top forced Hiku's top half to fall in the opposite direction hyperflexing the knee, he was running a straight line on the edge.

Nothing to do with skipping sideways.

Last year Idris had the same issue from Matai swinging in from behind buckling his leading knee

Peter Wallace damaged his knee falling awkwardly at Bathurst on a ground known for ankle and knee injuries due to changes in hardness of the ground throughout the field

Last year Moylan broke his ankle from a player holding on from behind and trying to bring him down forcing all his wait onto the knees and leg breaking his ankle

George Jennings shoulder injury placing the ball scoring a try in the 9s, broken tibia early 2015 aswell

Bryce Cartwright broken ankle from player tackling from behind falling awkwardly on ankle

DWZ punctured lung

Kikau ankle injury prior to signing

James Segeyaro broken forearm

TMM with his shoulder from a dog shot

JFH broke his thumb

RCG broken nose

Tyrone Peachey pec injury

Whare injured in training ACL possibly the only one there where it could be training or having players "skip sideways" to suggest that we have had mainly knee injuries is a joke, less than 10% of our injuries are ACL/MCL/PCL etc

If Panthers took the 2 instead taking the tap heading out to Hiku the next play, Hiku would most likely not have been injured in that tackle, is that bad luck or could that have been prevented from better physical training?

 

[Blues Riff]

Gould terminated our coach (a personal friend) because he seemed tired. I find it hard to believe the injury issue hasn't been thoroughly looked into, or that he would protect incompetent staff at the expense of the players and club. Every other aspect of the club seems so professional these days, so why would this not be addressed?
Genuine inquiry. No paranoid rants please.

 

[Luke Bowden]

Karnivale, I don't want to quote that massive point less post.

I believe you may not understand what I'm referring too when I say skip side wides.

I'm not saying that the skipping or stepping causes the injury, as you find a lot in a sport like netball.

I'm saying, well I'm not actually saying, research is showing, that a player who steps before the line and attempts to fend his way through the line, opens himself up to full weight, lower leg tackles, where the defender is diving in from the side.

It's not that hard to comprehend.

 

[Panther Pete]

Karnivale, I don't want to quote that massive point less post.



I'm saying, well I'm not actually saying, research is showing, that a player who steps before the line and attempts to fend his way through the line, opens himself up to full weight, lower leg tackles, where the defender is diving in from the side.

It's not that hard to comprehend.

Can you refer us to this research which is being conducted on players that step before the line and attempt to fend their way through?

 

[Luke Bowden]

Can you refer us to this research which is being conducted on players that step before the line and attempt to fend their way through?

Not on a free site, it's part of a much bigger study conducted by the Uni of NSW. I have a copy on PDF, which was very expensive, I don't think they would be all that impressed if I passed it on.

If you are generally interested, I will read through and post the names of the doctors who contributed to impact/collision section. I suspect however, you will need to fork out some money if you want to read their work, professionals don't stick the good stuff online for free.

But if you are simply attempting to call me out and I'd be doing it to win an argument on this site, I won't bother, it wouldn't be worth my time.