Injury Update

[Blues Riff]

I guess my point was that our staff would follow the advice of a specialist. My sarcasm got the better of me. Anyhow, good news on TMM.

 

[Luke Bowden]

Hey he wanted to credit our medical staff for the initial results being wrong and the injury being less severe than expected. Because if it couldn't be luck (and who the hell has ever said luck has zero part in injuries?) It must be our medical staff. I just went the opposite way.

Luck plays some part in injuries. But poor management of injuries, and subpar training and/or medical staff play a huge part too. Anyone thinking it doesn't is in denial. We aren't simply unlucky every single year with injuries. We make it worse on ourselves. If it were luck we would have seasons where we were healthy all year too. When was the last time that happened to us?

Whares run of injuries is a perfect example. He was poorly managed from his initial injury and as a result didn't get to play a full game all season.

Bryce Cartwright, Josh Mansour, Matt Moylan, Jamie Soward, Peter Wallace.... All examples of players who have been returned to full fitness after suffering major injuries. All treated by the same staff.

 

[Doomednow]

Bryce Cartwright, Josh Mansour, Matt Moylan, Jamie Soward, Peter Wallace.... All examples of players who have been returned to full fitness after suffering major injuries. All treated by the same staff.

Jamie Soward missed a significant chunk of a season because they dithered on putting him in for surgery. Peter Wallace was brought back and immediately injured himself again.

 

[Kilkenny]

We far too much of our injury issues in my opinion? Injuries happen and decisions are made on when someone is fit or otherwise to return. Sometimes it doesn't always work out but to declare our staff are incompetent is a big call and unfair.

 

[Luke Bowden]

Jamie Soward missed a significant chunk of a season because they dithered on putting him in for surgery. Peter Wallace was brought back and immediately injured himself again.

They didn't dither, they were advised against surgery by the specialist.

You can't blame Peter Wallace re-injury on our staff, that's on the surgeon. There's only so much physical training and rehab can do.

 

[Luke Bowden]

we far too much of our injury issues in my opinion? Injuries happen and decisions are made on when someone is fit or otherwise to return. Sometimes it doesn't always work out but to declare our staff are incompetent is a big call and unfair.

100%

 

[Doomednow]

I'm genuinely surprised there are people who think our injury staff are doing a good job. Why isn't Whare back yet?

 

[umina panther]

I'm genuinely surprised there are people who think our injury staff are doing a good job. Why isn't Whare back yet?

Its amazing, Gus talks about Penrith becoming the biggest sporting team in Australia then settles for incompetence.

 

[Luke Bowden]

We far too much of our injury issues in my opinion? Injuries happen and decisions are made on when someone is fit or otherwise to return. Sometimes it doesn't always work out but to declare our staff are incompetent is a big call and unfair.

Its amazing, Gus talks about Penrith becoming the biggest sporting team in Australia then settles for incompetence.

Explain how they are incompetent? Whare snapped his ACL, are you suggesting that our medical staff are responsible for that? If a player breaks a bone or suffers a concussion is that also the fault of our medical staff??

 

[Doomednow]

Players come back from injury and are immediately injured. What does that say about our "strength" and "conditioning" team?

 

[Luke Bowden]

Players come back from injury and are immediately injured. What does that say about our "strength" and "conditioning" team?

You can't strengthen a ligament, you can only strengthen the muscles surrounding it. At the end of the day, if the surgery hasn't been successful all the strength and conditioning in the universe won't make a difference.

 

[Doomednow]

So we are shifting responsibility onto the surgeons? It is the S &C team's job to both know when a player is good to return and to properly prepare them for it. I just can't see how the string of bad decisions and poor preparation by this team is excusable.

 

[Luke Bowden]

So we are shifting responsibility onto the surgeons? It is the S &C team's job to both know when a player is good to return and to properly prepare them for it. I just can't see how the string of bad decisions and poor preparation by this team is excusable.

Is it the fault of the S&C team if a player breaks his leg or is knocked completely out? If the answer to that question is No, then how can it be the fault of the S&C team if a player snaps a ligament or suffers a high ankle sprain?

It's a contact sport, injuries occur, noboby is to blame, shit just happens.

 

[Doomednow]

Repeatedly. To us more than anyone. And in Whare's case in training.

 

[Doomednow]

how can it be the fault of the S&C team if a player snaps a ligament or suffers a high ankle sprain?

I'll give a little more detail. Injured players coming off a rest should be ready to play. If they aren't and they get re-injured because of it, the buck stops with the S & C team. Just like it stops with them if our side is so poorly conditioned they are consistently injured at a higher rate than other teams.

 

[betcats]

We arent injured at a higher rate this season though. We are a long way off the last two years.

 

[Luke Bowden]

Repeatedly. To us more than anyone. And in Whare's case in training.

Yep, during a contact drill.

 

[Luke Bowden]

I'll give a little more detail. Injured players coming off a rest should be ready to play. If they aren't and they get re-injured because of it, the buck stops with the S & C team. Just like it stops with them if our side is so poorly conditioned they are consistently injured at a higher rate than other teams.

Our injuries aren't due to a lack of fitness or preparation.

 

[Doomednow]

I would say some most definitely are but you've already made up your mind here and I'm not going to change it.

 

[mxlegend99]

Bryce Cartwright, Josh Mansour, Matt Moylan, Jamie Soward, Peter Wallace.... All examples of players who have been returned to full fitness after suffering major injuries. All treated by the same staff.

Uhhh everyone of those guys outside of cartwright struggled with injuries after returning :lol:

I supposed Dean Whare returned fully fit in his 60 minute cameo for the season aswell?