What's new
The Front Row Forums

Register a free account today to become a member of the world's largest Rugby League discussion forum! Once signed in, you'll be able to participate on this site by adding your own topics and posts, as well as connect with other members through your own private inbox!

Interview with the Welsh banker: crowds, golden point, judiciary...

Sea_Eagles_Rock

First Grade
Messages
5,216
The sports growth is going to come. I spent time at the school touch competition in Brisbane on the weekend. The amount of kids and talent on show was great to see. It was an absolute nightmare to park. I've never a sports carnival quite like this. 5 days of footy for the kids.

http://www.qldallschools.com/

The NRL needs to plan a rival female competition and promote it. You would not believe the amount of girls playing.
 

CC_Roosters

First Grade
Messages
5,221
Yep crazy, when you look at the interest in the storm trial game it is insane the NRL is totally ignoring the place, Adelaide seems in same boat. Wa, nt and vic are going ok but that is due to some very committed people rather than any great NRL involvement.

Maybe richo's review will discover that there are populations outside nsw and Qland lol?

Probably not, christopher columbus will be the first to discover anything west of the blue mountains
 

Hello, I'm The Doctor

First Grade
Messages
9,124
Removal of the kids cards to see games.

So they get free tickets online instead of having a card to scan. Yeh, its a f*cking Shakespearian tragedy.

Huge increase in revenue and absolutely nothing spent on junior RL.

Well thats just bullshit

The softening of the game, the inconsistency of decisions and the pandering to CH9.

Subjective opinion and totally disregards the realities of the previous Rights deal.

The absolute disregard for kids playing rugby league. A high level NRL official when asked about kids going from RL to AFL, answered so what let them go.

source??? (rothfield's imagination is not a legitimate contact)
 

cleary89

Coach
Messages
16,483
Cleary I am surprised that they get that many ARL dev officers but very happy.
What are is that in ? I know that most around Sydney its 1 and I will not say a bad word against any of them as they do a wonderful job with limited resources as does their boss Maria

We are right on the border of canterbury and parra zones. So to our school we get the dogs development officers but to school sport most other schools are in the parra area so they come down.

Ive been at the school 3 years. When I started we had 2 kids who played weekend footy. Now I turn away kids from both juniors and seniors who play on weekends. I'd say there would be 30 or 40 who play now 3 years later.
 

betcats

Referee
Messages
23,956
- the price of the deal. Gallop always undersold the tv rights deal. Because he negotiated with 9 and foxtel at the same time, and because he negotiated in news ltd favour, we never got true value for our product. Smiths free to air deal is worth more than the AFL's

- 4 live games. Gallop only ever negotiated 1 live game. We now have 4 live free to air games as part of the new deal.

- control of the draw. The networks have had to much control for to long. He has managed on a compromise during the origin period (wednesday, Sunday, wedsnesday) that means the Origin Period has less an effect on the nrl season while still getting maximum dollars for Origin.

His only halfway through his TV deal but his already streets ahead of what gallop achieved with any of his deals

So Dave got the best price by only negotiating with 9? Lol I stopped reading there.
 

MarkC

Juniors
Messages
446
news hates him, which pretty much shows that he is doing an awesome job

I agree, he is negotiating hard with news, it is a slightly risky strategy but better than the Gallop era when the broadcasters called the tune and the NRL just took what we were offered.

It is early days in the Smith era and there are a lot of issues in the game that need to be addressed.

As a long time fan of league with a memory going back to the 70's most of the time the games central admin have been crap.

In fact the game has done very well to survive crap admin and the SL war. I put that down to the players and fans rather than the admin.

The admin of many clubs is still way below par and again that is nothing new.
That is been the case for about 50% of the teams in the comp going back to the 70's.

So while the jury is still out of Smith, we need to give him and opportunity to show what he can do and be patient.

I personally think Gallop was a total disaster in just about every respect, Smith is a already well ahead.

Regardless, the model of a strong central admin is the only way to run the game, anything else quickly degenerates to a shambles.

The one thing I will say in defense of Gallop is he never really had the power, there were too many powerful people setting the agenda. That is why he was reactive, rather than proactive.
 
Messages
14,835
Who did the Dave Smith interview?
What organization does he work for?
What organization doesn't want to pay the going rate for NRL games?
Is it me or is their a link here somewhere?
 

betcats

Referee
Messages
23,956
He either can't read, can't comprehend or just sees what he wants to so he can respond with some generic ignorant comment.

I comprehend just fine. He is talking about the rights being undersold because Gallop negotiated in News' favour. Smith did the same thing by negotiating with 9 only and he went one better by getting the AFL more money then they would of. We dont know how much the rights could of got on the open market because they never went to open market. But its ok cause netflix are apparenty going to save the day for the nrl. Seriously how is negotiating with only 1 party when you have others hoping to make a bid not favouring that 1 party? I readily admit my bias i regards to Smith but that is just idiotic.

None of that comment really even deserves a response, the only way to get control of the draw was to sell to 9 before speaking to anyone? Really?
 
Last edited:

MarkC

Juniors
Messages
446
I think they sold to 9 because 9 were desperate and paid top dollar.

In that circumstance, I am not sure you really need to talk to others.

After getting a good deal on FTA, they are taking their time on pay TV hope to get a good deal from FOXTEL.

We will need to see how that pans out, but you can't definitively say it is a failure at this stage and it is fun watching News Corp squirm.
 

DiegoNT

First Grade
Messages
9,378
I comprehend just fine. He is talking about the rights being undersold because Gallop negotiated in News' favour. Smith did the same thing by negotiating with 9 only and he went one better by getting the AFL more money then they would of. We dont know how much the rights could of got on the open market because they never went to open market. But its ok cause netflix are apparenty going to save the day for the nrl. Seriously how is negotiating with only 1 party when you have others hoping to make a bid not favouring that 1 party? I readily admit my bias i regards to Smith but that is just idiotic.

None of that comment really even deserves a response, the only way to get control of the draw was to sell to 9 before speaking to anyone? Really?

Except the deal smith done wasn't in channel 9s favour otherwise channel 9 wouldn't of paid an australia record free to air deal. A deal that'll see channel 9 pay more for the nrl rights than channel 7 will for the afl rights. $925m is exactly mates rates. To put it in perspective, the last tv deal gallop did, from 2007-2012 was $500m in total. Dave Smith has almost doubled gallops entire deal from only the fta component. Now the news ltd journos will tell you his messed up, but he still has some valuable cards up his sleeve.
1. Is simulcasting.
2. Expansion so fox get back an exclusive time slot
3. If all else fails he can just refuse to give fox any rights. While it's drastic and will be costly to the nrl, it would completely kill foxtel in this country, especially with the rise of Netflix which has foxtel quality tv shows at a lower price
The fact that so many news ltd journalist are doing personal attacks on smith shows that he has rattled them in this negotiating process, something that would never have happened under Gallop
 
Last edited:
Messages
15,664
Except the deal smith done wasn't in channel 9s favour otherwise channel 9 wouldn't of paid an australia record free to air deal. A deal that'll see channel 9 pay more for the nrl rights than channel 7 will for the afl rights. $925m is exactly mates rates. To put it in perspective, the last tv deal gallop did, from 2007-2012 was $500m in total. Dave Smith has almost doubled gallops entire deal from only the fta component. Now the news ltd journos will tell you his messed up, but he still has some valuable cards up his sleeve.
1. Is simulcasting.
2. Expansion so fox get back an exclusive time slot
3. If all else fails he can just refuse to give fox any rights. While it's drastic and will be costly to the nrl, it would completely kill foxtel in this country, especially with the rise of Netflix which has foxtel quality tv shows at a lower price
The fact that so many news ltd journalist are doing personal attacks on smith shows that he has rattled them in this negotiating process, something that would never have happened under Gallop
He has doubled it .
Gallops total deal went for 6 yrs . Approx 83k a yr
Smith got over 900k for 5 yrs just for FTA..Approx 180k a yr .
 

Sea_Eagles_Rock

First Grade
Messages
5,216
He has doubled it .
Gallops total deal went for 6 yrs . Approx 83k a yr
Smith got over 900k for 5 yrs just for FTA..Approx 180k a yr .
Neither Smith or Gallop did the last TV deal. Without the last deal removing the last right, none of this would have been possible. They took a hit on price to get News Ltd completely out of control of the game. It was a fantastic achievement.

I like the way he did the next TV deal. Any time News get upset, I'm confident he has moved in the right direction. I'd love to see them kill Fox in this country. It would really stick the knife in deep. They should also restrict News from being financially involved in multiple clubs too. He shouldn't be in a hurry to sign up either.
 

Nerd

Bench
Messages
2,827
Neither Smith or Gallop did the last TV deal. Without the last deal removing the last right, none of this would have been possible. They took a hit on price to get News Ltd completely out of control of the game. It was a fantastic achievement.

I like the way he did the next TV deal. Any time News get upset, I'm confident he has moved in the right direction. I'd love to see them kill Fox in this country. It would really stick the knife in deep. They should also restrict News from being financially involved in multiple clubs too. He shouldn't be in a hurry to sign up either.

I agree. The News Corp attacks on Dave Smith was a stupid move for mine. Slinging mud at a persons character may work in politics where everything is played out in public but in business all the negotiations will happen behind closed doors. Just shows how rattled News are about having to pay market value for the rights. Also paying overs for the AFL deal just raised the bar on how much the NRL rights are worth.
 
Messages
14,835
I agree. The News Corp attacks on Dave Smith was a stupid move for mine. Slinging mud at a persons character may work in politics where everything is played out in public but in business all the negotiations will happen behind closed doors. Just shows how rattled News are about having to pay market value for the rights. Also paying overs for the AFL deal just raised the bar on how much the NRL rights are worth.
News Corp have created a huge problems for themselves with the amount they payed for the aFL.
They now have 2 choices.
1. Pay the going rate for the NRL games.
2. Don't pay the going rate for the NRL games and not have NRL game and watch subscriptions drop.
The balls in your court Uncle Rupert.
 

Perth Red

Post Whore
Messages
69,888
That depends on if there is a serious competitor for those games. If not, and if Fox know there isn't, then they know the NRL will have eat humble pie and accept a low ball offer. what's Smith going to do otherwise? now if there is some serious competition then the figure will be significantly higher that Fox will have to stump up. Fox will get the rights just depends who blinks first as to what they pay for them. If I was Smith I'd be pushing for all the stuff you want to get out of Fox as a value add back to the NRL and accepting that your not going to get the same as AFL for the pay TV subscriptions (that's if there isn't any serious competition for the rights out there).
 

Latest posts

Top