Ireland to cut heritage players

[latingringo101]

There's no clear cut answer to the heritage vs domestic debate. Teams should be able to field their strongest teams, but domestic players shouldn't be shunned as well.

I believe teams can pick heritage players, but the long term (10 to 15 years) look to add born and raised players to their national team

 

[roughyedspud]

Off the RLi facebook page advertising for a new senior team head coach

• Selection criteria - Player selection for 2018-2021 is based on the below targets. Note that if there are not sufficient domestic players who are at the level to face the opposition, the target may not be met. Ultimate decision on domestic players rest with the RLI Board
o 8 domestic players in a match day squad for European Championships
o 8 domestic players in a match day squad for World Cup qualifier games
o 12 domestic players in the playing squad for World Cup 2021
o Heritage players should be selected based on involvement in prior events and consistency ofinvolvement. The aim is that players who play inEuropean Championship games and World Cup qualifiers are given preference in World Cup squads

It's a very sensible policy imo,very hard to argue against it...

Every 2nd tier nation should implement variations of this policy.

 

[thorson1987]

Off the RLi facebook page advertising for a new senior team head coach



It's a very sensible policy imo,very hard to argue against it...

Every 2nd tier nation should implement variations of this policy.

Yeah I'm happy with that policy.

 

[Springs09]

It looks good, the only thing is what they mean by domestic players? If it means born and bred Irish players, fair enough, if it means only players from the domestic competition, then that's a bit harsh. If an Irish player has been good enough to make it in another competition, they shouldn't be lumped in with heritage players.

 

[roughyedspud]

A lad born in Ireland that's plying his trade in competition in another country would be classed as domestic..

Gareth widdop isn't classed as a heritage player is he...

 

[deal.with.it]

How the hell are they going to get a coach to commit to all that free of charge?

 

[langpark]

Another famous Irish backflip? Less than 3 months ago, they announced they were cutting the amount of heritage players in the team. Finn slated RLI officials and said he was retiring from international RL "with immediate effect". Today, this article comes out, with Finn commenting as captain as though nothing ever happened.

https://www.rlef.eu.com/articles/1631/ireland-announce-train-on-squad-for-european-championships

 

[roughyedspud]

There's 14 domestics in that squad

 

[Pommy]

A lad born in Ireland that's plying his trade in competition in another country would be classed as domestic..

Gareth widdop isn't classed as a heritage player is he...

No but he doesn’t play domestically either, which is where the confusion lies.
The all blacks for instance won’t pick players who don’t play in NZ, or at least they never used to.

 

[roughyedspud]

Who gives a shit what the all blacks do..

 

[hutch]

No but he doesn’t play domestically either, which is where the confusion lies.
The all blacks for instance won’t pick players who don’t play in NZ, or at least they never used to.

A domestic player is a player produced by the domestic system, regardless of where they currently play.

 

[langpark]

There's 14 domestics in that squad

It's a solid start, but it is a 35-man squad, so I won't get excited just yet. Am curious to see how many will make the final cut.

A domestic player is a player produced by the domestic system, regardless of where they currently play.

Exactly, I'm genuinely stunned by how many people don't seem to get that.

When determining who is a domestic player it all boils down to this simple question: Where did he first learn to play footy?

 

[Pommy]

A domestic player is a player produced by the domestic system, regardless of where they currently play.

Ok so a 10 year old Irish kid moves from Dublin to Bradford, picks up the game in England but never becomes a dual national, at 18 this kid is good enough to play rep footy what is he? He’s not a heritage player and by your definition he’s not a domestic player either.

 

[roughyedspud]

He's bleeding Irish!

 

[Pommy]

He's bleeding Irish!

So is anyone with a grandparent born on the island of Ireland if they do wish.

 

[hutch]

He's bleeding Irish!

This.
But he could also be English if that’s the way he feels.

 

[jim_57]

If they're going to have some sort of quota why not just combine Domestic & Irish born players in to one "category" to save confusion?

 

[roughyedspud]

Only in RL would fans be arguing what a Irish born player would be called....give me strength lol

The idea of having a domestic quota is to promote development in the domestics leagues...

To be classed as a domestic a player must play in the domestic league..

Said Irish lad who moved to Bradford as a kid would not be a domestic,he doesn't play in the Irish domestic league,he qualifies for Ireland by birth...and England via residency

So if this lad was selected for Ireland then Ireland would still have to select 8-12 domestics per squad depending on which comp they are selecting for..

I'll give you a scenario...Ireland select 8 domestics for the next world cup,all 8 of these lads have great world cups and all 8 get signed up by English or Aussie clubs...the following year all 8 get selected again to play in the European Championship,these 8 aren't domestics anymore cos they play overseas,so Ireland have to pick another 8 domestic league players...

And that starts the development pathway the domestic quota is designed for..

 

[Springs09]

Only in RL would fans be arguing what a Irish born player would be called....give me strength lol

The idea of having a domestic quota is to promote development in the domestics leagues...

To be classed as a domestic a player must play in the domestic league..

Said Irish lad who moved to Bradford as a kid would not be a domestic,he doesn't play in the Irish domestic league,he qualifies for Ireland by birth...and England via residency

So if this lad was selected for Ireland then Ireland would still have to select 8-12 domestics per squad depending on which comp they are selecting for..

I'll give you a scenario...Ireland select 8 domestics for the next world cup,all 8 of these lads have great world cups and all 8 get signed up by English or Aussie clubs...the following year all 8 get selected again to play in the European Championship,these 8 aren't domestics anymore cos they play overseas,so Ireland have to pick another 8 domestic league players...

And that starts the development pathway the domestic quota is designed for..

That's exactly the opposite of what you said a few posts up and exactly what I was arguing. A domestic player is a player who plays in the domestic comp.

A lad born in Ireland that's plying his trade in competition in another country would be classed as domestic..

Gareth widdop isn't classed as a heritage player is he...

Instead of having sarcastic go at everyone stop and think for a minute.

 

[deluded pom?]

I'll give you a scenario...Ireland select 8 domestics for the next world cup,all 8 of these lads have great world cups and all 8 get signed up by English or Aussie clubs...the following year all 8 get selected again to play in the European Championship,these 8 aren't domestics anymore cos they play overseas,so Ireland have to pick another 8 domestic league players...
And that starts the development pathway the domestic quota is designed for..

Bollocks ‘spud. A domestic player is one who has come from the domestic, in this case Irish, league. It doesn’t matter where he is playing when a squad is selected as long as he originated in the domestic league. He could play for Melbourne Storm but still be classed as a domestic player. If those eight players in your scenario were signed professionally then the IRL would continually be behind the eight ball if they decided they were no longer classed as domestic players. What do you class the Burgess boys or Elliott Whitehead as?