Is Bellamy a hagan

[Loudstrat]

I am not comparing who is the better player but the meaning to the team

The way the storm needs cameron smith on the field to steer them , same way the knights with johns, you cant deny without him the knights record was very poor.

Looks like smith is in the similar situation with the storm

As hagan needed johns bellamy needs cameron smith

Didn't need Smith in the prelim gf. Cronk was awesome.

Hagan also didn't need Joey last year with the great Brett Finch.

 

[kbw]

What a bunch of halfwits, knejerk reactionaries that probly hang off CH9s every word.

Belamy is a tremendous coach and devdeloper of players.
NSW losses have more to do with the selectors than thbe coach, they pick too many players without passion.


So if Belamy is overrated, then Bennet must be a complete dud.

 

[Glenn]

Not a dud..more a hack.:sarcasm:
As for those saying Bellamy is over rated. :crazy:

 

[Avenger]

Please don't compare Hagan to Bellamy. Hagan is in a mediocre class of his own

 

[ElectricEelMan]

THIS MAY GO DOWN AS ONE OF THE WORSE THREADS IN THE HISTORY OF SPORTS FORUM!

If you are comparing Bellamy to Hagan, take a deep breath and then maybe you will understand you are bordering on psychosis.

Why?

Michael Hagan just maybe the worse coach in the NRL. He takes potential and destroys it slowly and surely. This is a coach who stated:

"To win we must play boring, conservative football" (paraphrasing)

*Note: Parramatta always looked best when they played completely opposite to the 'boring, conservative football' mantra set by Hagan*

 

[murraymob]

at penrith we would take a over rated coach who wins grand finals any day.He can even wear a mini skirt and high heels who cares just win us the trophy.Bellamy welcome anytime

 

[Noa]

Next few years will tell us if Craig is a GREAT coach.

Personally I think he needs to not be so conservative, especailly now I think teams have pretty much worked the best way to play us under our current style.

 

[Tommax25]

So when Bellamy came to Melbourne, Cameron Smith was the Australian and QLD hooker and captain? :lol:

vice-captain.

bellamy is a good coach, i think people disputing that are idiotic. he built that team. but he may not be as good as people thought, especially considering origin this year.

 

[fat joe]

I disagree, Bellamy is a great coach

Origin you can blame on the NSW selectors, he had sh*t all to work with, and I think it's up to the players in the end of how bad they want it and willing to listen.

Are you kidding? Bellamy's hands were all over those selections, how else do you explain how Turner and White got there, and how only one Manly player got selected, and that player (Brett Stewart) spent only 25 minutes on the field in Origin III despite being the only player on the field for NSW in the second game?

Bellamy's game plan is one dimensional, and gets shown up when the referees won't let his players lie all over the tackled players and wrestle them into submission. This was shown last night, and shown in Origins II and III. And lets be honest, a toddler could have coached that roster to 3 consecutive minor premierships. In saying that, he is still nowhere near as bad as Hagan, he has done a good job developing some of those players even if his game plans aren't great.

 

[adamkungl]

Firstly, Gaba you're a twat.
Bellamy is no Hagan, he might be a Stuart, good coach but no super coach. He was badly shown up in Origin this year in his selections and terrible game plans, and a lot of teams finally worked out how to get through Melbourne's game plan. However, he did keep a side running sh*t hot for three straight years. Next year is the real test. I doubt they will finish first again. I think Melbourne will need a rejuvenated game plan, it is very rare for sides to keep up success for more than three years. Manly capitulated after the 97 season, Roosters collapsed in 05, showing up major deficiencies in Stuarts recruitment and game plans, will the same happen to Bellamy and Melbourne?

 

[Dazzat]

Players can only cop the intensity Bellamy dishes out for a certain time. After a while you'll either start ignoring him, stressing out or lampooning him. I saw evidence of all three approaches from the Melbourne players coming into the finals.

Bellamy is a one trick pony, and let's face it, he's still to master the skill of coaching at the highest level as results show. He's innovative, shrewd, but still to discover the finer art of people management IMO. To much perfectionism and not enough empowerment.

 

[aqua_duck]

Who's was
Matt King, Cooper Cronk, Dallas Johnson, Jeff Lima, Brett White, Jeremy Smith, Ben Cross before Bellamy got his hands on them, they were lower graders who Bellyache turned into rep players. Least Bellamy never won the spoon....

 

[Ice777]

What a ridiculous f**king thread. Our club was an absolute basket case when Bellyache took over the reins from Muppet Murray. As mentioned you only have to look at what he's done with the group of players that he had when he started and where they've ended up now. Anyone with half a brain would attribute much of that to the coach and only a halfwit otherwise.

Love him or hate him but for me personally there's no other bloke i'd like more to be leading my club and let's get fair dinkum it could be much worse, we could have Hagan leading us into battle every week and i wouldn't wish that on anyone.

 

[Gaba]

The facts are the storm choked in 2 out of the last 3 gf , and finishing minor premiers 3 years in a row means nothing if you continue to lose grand finals.

Like to roosters the storm are becoming the chokers of this decade, in fact in front of the roosters, storm being minor premiers 3 years in a row with one premiership are leading the biggest chokers of this decade just in front of the roosters

No matter how bad people rate hagan at least he never lost a grand final, im not a fan of hagan but to be fair if you rate him bad, bellamy isnt much better on the results he showed
If the nrl keeps on cracking down on the dirty tactics used by storm, and make them play fairer we will see the demise of the storm as a top 8 team in the remaining years of bellamy as a coach

 

[aqua_duck]

The chokers thing is very stupid. I'd rather have a team that got there and choked then a team that not got there at all. Players will take massive pay cuts to play under Bellamy, no player in their right mind would take a pay cut to play under Hagan...

 

[Bring it home Knights]

The same can be said for hagan stint with newcastle when he arrived, there werent many well known players with newcastle aka with the storm as bellamy.

When hagan coached the knights in 2001 (his first sdeason as coach) the knights team consisted of:

1. O'davis (Australian Rep)
2. Tahu (Australian Rep)
2. Albert (NSW Rep)
3. Gidley (Australian Rep)
4. Hughes
5. Macdougall (Australian Rep)
6. Rudder (Useless hack)
7. Johns (Halfback of the century)
8. Perry
9. Buderus
10. Parsons (1999 prop of the year)
11. Simpson
12. Kennedy (Australian Rep)
13. Peden

That was an awesome team, gaba give yourself an uppercut!

 

[pantherz9103]

This thread is stupid. Bellamy is still one of the best coaches in the game. He developed the likes of Smith, Slater, Folau and Inglis into some of the game's best players. He's guided the Storm to three straight minor premierships and while they only won the one premiership. It is still a much better performance than most other clubs who don't even get there.

I think its fair enough to suggest that he isn't as good a coach as some may have thought. But he turned the Storm from a rabble in 2002 to a consistent finals team and then into a consistent title challenger. His tactics pushed the rules but he's still done a great job. Anyone who denies that is a fool. Clearly Gaba is a fool.

Considering Manly 95-97 and Roosters 02-04 also made three straight gf's but only won one of them, it seems to show how hard it is to win multiple premierships and you need a fair bit of luck to do it. Looking back it was a bit much too ask for the Storm to win with no Smith/Hoffman and being fatigued like they were. As well as all the controversy, self inflicted or not. Manly pretty much had a dream run with no injuries, no suspensions and all their best players in top form. In hindsight I see that now and noone would've beaten Manly on Sunday. Storm were crap so that helped them lose by 40 but even if they had a more serious dig they wouldn't have won.

 

[typicalfan]

Lol at comparing Bellamy to Hagan, Hagan had the best player in the world and only ever appeared in one grand final...lol @ "least he has never lost a grand final" wow by that logic Matt Elliott is a terrific coach! he has lost less than Bellamy

And also its been mentioned already he has created most of the players that went on to be rep players and has played under and worked under two of the best coaches around in Sheens and Bennett, so i dont get where you are coming from, its the same rubbish spouted by Ricky Stuart when he took the Roosters to grand finals, yet Stuart and Bellamy at Dally M time this year were very much in the running in coach of the year.

 

[Gaba]

Bellamy has the best player/s in the world for a few years now and what has he achieved 2 grand final defeats , and a side in disarray because his dirty tactics have been exposed, the tactics what he used because he had no game plans.

I am not defending hagan, but why does he cop abuse , when in reality the eels were unlucky against the storm twice in the last few final games they played
Why is bellamy being defended ?failed twice after being the minor premiers for 3 years straight.

 

[adamkungl]

The facts are the storm choked in 2 out of the last 3 gf , and finishing minor premiers 3 years in a row means nothing if you continue to lose grand finals.

Like to roosters the storm are becoming the chokers of this decade, in fact in front of the roosters, storm being minor premiers 3 years in a row with one premiership are leading the biggest chokers of this decade just in front of the roosters

No matter how bad people rate hagan at least he never lost a grand final, im not a fan of hagan but to be fair if you rate him bad, bellamy isnt much better on the results he showed
If the nrl keeps on cracking down on the dirty tactics used by storm, and make them play fairer we will see the demise of the storm as a top 8 team in the remaining years of bellamy as a coach

You have shown time and time again you have no idea what the term 'choke' actually means, and you just throw it around as some sort of whiney response to everyone calling your mob chokers.