Is Ivan Cleary the most over rated coach in the NRL?

[Ron's_Mate]

So Dad shafts his other club to come and coach son who is State of Origin halfback, and then under Dad the team is performing so poorly that son is likely to lose his SOO spot. Happy days. I wonder what they talk about over their cereal in the mornings?

 

[some11]

So Dad shafts his other club to come and coach son who is State of Origin halfback, and then under Dad the team is performing so poorly that son is likely to lose his SOO spot. Happy days. I wonder what they talk about over their cereal in the mornings?

How good is this. Doesn't matter how poorly we perform we get paid - and a lump sum if we get booted!

Nathan has time on his side to work hard and get back into form, Ivan not so much.

 

[Danish]

Cleary is massively overrated.

But he’s not “let’s push out arguably the greatest of all time in order to sign this rookie hack to a long term deal” overrated like seibold.

 

[big hit!]

I genuinely feel he got a dud decision from Gus first time around. His career has been shagged by poor decisions. The Warriors letting him take up an offer elsewhere so he could get a longer deal because they wanted Bluey McClennan was a corker. He then gets bent over by Gus, and then drops the Tigers after he makes a song and dance about being on the bus. All for his boy. I’ve seen people managing their kids and it often doesn’t end well.

this was the professional decision he could control. emotion got involved. he should've stayed at Tigers. All but Penrith supporters and front office (ex Gould) knew it at end of last year.

Seibold should've stayed at Souths rather than ratting them half way through season.

souths haven't missed a beat since Seibold left. tigers are marginally better since Cleary jumped, but you have to question how long Madge can ride them as hard as he does in prep before the load is too much.

fast forward and talented penrith roster are a shambles. brisbane will probably improve with the changes they've made around the ruck. Cook was a difference maker for Seibold, as he is for Bennett this year. Bennett couldnt make a team with McCulloch a threat and Seibold has found that out too. Maccas injury has been a divine intervention as Seibold now has youth, pace and attacking threats around the ruck to get that much vaunted forward pack on the roll.

 

[Fufu Andronez]

How does he turn it around? How can he, with a straight face, preach to the team about commitment and trusting each other and loyalty after the saga he caused at the Tigers.

It would be like me lecturing my kid about staying off pornhub when I myself am a paid up premium member.

 

[AlwaysGreen]

One of the great threads, well done geniuses

 

[Generalzod]

Question that needs to be asked is why did Phil Gould sack him, and now that was shown to be the wrong decision, does it really make him out to be the brains of Rugby League?

 

[some11]

Yes. Meninga won a stack of origin series and nobody rates him either.

 

[The Lounge Lizard]

Yes. Meninga won a stack of origin series and nobody rates him either.

Because Meninga was and still is a cork sucker of the highest order.

 

[Stinkfinger]

Question that needs to be asked is why did Phil Gould sack him, and now that was shown to be the wrong decision, does it really make him out to be the brains of Rugby League?

They played in the last genuine spoonbowl, that's why. Seems a lifetime ago now.

Gus will admit to you himself that he is not a great judge of player talent, and evidence shows that extends to coaches as well.

 

[chrisD]

Question that needs to be asked is why did Phil Gould sack him, and now that was shown to be the wrong decision, does it really make him out to be the brains of Rugby League?

Gould always had a hard on for Hook. That season we were poor but we were so injury smashed that you couldn't really give Cleary a fair assessment, good or bad. Gus wasn't wrong when he said Cleary was tired, Cleary was talking despondently about how injury had ruined our season when we were still mathematically in with a chance to reach the 8.

Gus reacted to Cleary being down, didn't see Cleary's premiership potential and inexplicably rated Hook as a master coach. It was a massive overreaction and failed unneeded course correction.

Ivan Cleary's teams have continually improved under him, with the injury ruined 2015(?) season being the outlier.

 

[MugaB]

Question that needs to be asked is why did Phil Gould sack him, and now that was shown to be the wrong decision, does it really make him out to be the brains of Rugby League?

Fear of nepotism.... arthurs going thru that right now

Love reading all this banter from the thread started 3 years ago... most punters here don't rate him and thats fine, but what he did with the warriors a decade ago, is something special, i hope webby can do something similar

 

[Stinkfinger]

Made the Tigpies a feared defensive unit for a brief moment there, but it faded quickly. Brought the same ideas to the Riff and it has lasted three full seasons.

 

[Stinkfinger]

Lose Maloney and the panthers may well solidify 13th position

Who could have known? Lose Maloney = 3 straight GF's and back to back titles.

 

[MugaB]

Who could have known? Lose Maloney = 3 straight GF's and back to back titles.

Maloney taught the halves how to reset, if he wasn't there, maybe they don't learn that so well, so soon, its important skill to have especially when you know how badly your whole team is travelling, and the other sides put 30 on you first half, knowing you can "reset" and start fresh and do the same hopefully putting your own 30 back..
Very underrated maloney was, would be a great coach or assistant in few years

 

[BUTTFACE]

Made the Tigpies a feared defensive unit for a brief moment there, but it faded quickly. Brought the same ideas to the Riff and it has lasted three full seasons.

“Made the Tigpies a feared defensive unit”
No offence, but that is rubbish John. Just coz the Tigers won a few games at the start of a season a few years back does not make them a “feared defensive unit”.
Ivan’s lucky he’s got Nath and all the work of others over the last 10 years.

 

[Blues Riff]

So good watching him fail after the "immoral" behaviour of he and the Panthers.

Yep ..... So good.

 

[Captain Apollo]

I'd say the Manly Board reckon Dessy Hasler has taken that mantle now.

 

[GreenMachine121]

Some amazing panfer takes in this thread lol

 

[Billythekid]

Good thread to read if you ever think the numpties on here know what they’re talking about lol.