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Is the Rugby season too long

Card Shark

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I think 26 rounds & finals is about right but I'd like to see it stretched out over a couple more weeks with more split rounds.

This allows players more recovery time from niggling injuries & keeps the game in the spotlight a bit longer....& shortens the long bloody offseason.
 

docbrown

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One of the big problems in England is a lack of coverage in the media. Despite RL regularly getting attendances and TV ratings the equal or better than Rugby Union, the media coverage is rediculously biased in favour of Union.

I wonder if that idea about reformatting the Challenge Cup would help that.

Give byes to two super league teams every week for 7 weeks and have them play off for the next round of the Challenge Cup over that period.

That's 7 games that you could then sell to the BBC and increase exposure. Then you'd have 9 other teams qualifying for the final 16 or perhaps there's another way of restructure that round.

So they'd get 7 Super League type games, Round of 16, Round of 8, Round of 4 and the Challenge Cup.
 

Teddyboy

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RL is struggling a little in the heartlands of England at the moment. A lot however is down to the state of the British economy which is badly struggling, aprticularly outside of London. If Super League crowds can come in close to an average record in 2012 then that will be a very good result. The current situation in the north is very different to 5 or 6 years ago when it was far more awash with cash during a credit fuelled boom.

It's true Manchester is not a RL city, which has always baffled me as it is directly surrounded by heartland towns such as Wigan, St Helens, Salford, Warrington and Widnes. Hopefully the relocation of Milenium Magic to Manchester from this year will help the city become a little more RL centic. Leeds however, is a city where RL is king. RL is very much equally as popular as in Sydney, and you regularly see people wearing all sorts of jerseys around the streets including NRL teams and jerseys of the surrounding RL towns such as Castleford, Halifax, Wakefield, Bradford, Huddersfield etc.

One of the big problems in England is a lack of coverage in the media. Despite RL regularly getting attendances and TV ratings the equal or better than Rugby Union, the media coverage is rediculously biased in favour of Union. This is probably due to the media being mostly controlled by the middle to upper class, whose game of choice has always been Union. Even in RL heartlands such as Yorkshire (the county Leeds sits in), there is no shortage of middle class towns where Union is the game of choice. Similarly Union dominates the better schools as well, no matter where you are in the country.

The RFL for all it's criticism, isn't doing a bad job on a few fronts. They have dramatically increased the number of schools playing the game. This is shown in the huge rates of growth for schools taking part in the Champions Schools knockout tournament. A lot of these schools are from non traditional areas.

Further to that, backed by around £30 million in Sport England funding, the RFL has agressively expanded the game in the midlands (think Birmingham and surrounds), London and surrounding areas and into the South West (Bristol and surrounds). In all these areas a number of new clubs have sprung up in recent years meaning there are now decent senior leagues in most corners of the country and some ever growing pockets of junior development. Combining this with the large increase in schools playing the game and some strong deveopment in Universities over recent years, means there will be quite a few non northern raised English RL players emerging at the top level over the next decade. We've already seen a few such as the Griffin brothers, Tony Clubb, Louis MS and Bryan Carney. But I have no doubt this is just the tip of the iceberg. Krasniqi and Dixon at London Broncos are two to watch for 2012!

The next step in the RFL's plan is 4 new expansion clubs joining national league 2 (the third and bottom level of the professional game) from 2013. Northampton (a staunch Union town in the southern part of the midlands) has already been announced as joining, with 3 new clubs to be annouced in the coming months. Those rumoured to be in the mix include Coventry, Bristol, Medway and Hemel. It will be very interesting to see how this experiment goes, as you will be adding 4 teams with little support (especially away from home) to a league used to having plenty of Lancashire and Yorkshire local derbies. Crowds and income for the established teams will take a hit, with travel costs rising. Hopefully the new and old teams will thrive, but I expect some major hiccups. The best case will be two to three of these teams thrive, with one climing the ladder to Super League, but I'm not holding out massive hopes. At least these expansion teams are backed by fairly robust local amatuer scenes unlike RFL expansion in the past, which has very much been top down.
North East Rugby League is doing it's best with the schools, amateurs, Touch, Tag and Masters Rugby but crowds the Thunder are crap but you think the people who play and are involved of the different types of Rugby League plus the other Touch teams would go out and support them win or lose.

Are the expansion and other clubs pushing Touch, Tag and Masters.
 

supercharger

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Injuries aplenty in the NFL, and when they do come, they can ruin teams entire seasons. There are more season affecting injuries in the NFL than in any other league, partly because the season is so short.

Fan boredom? Does anyone actually have evidence for this, or are they just assuming that fans get bored? I haven't seen any evidence of apathy.

Meaningless games. Sure, I guess. But people still attend and watch long season leagues, and the media still reports. Not sure theres anything wrong with that.
First of all i am well aware of the impact injuries can have on a teams season in the national football league,but those injuries would have only increased if the league had gone to 18 games
just as injuries increased when the league went from a 14 game schedule to a 16 game schedule
but it's not just football where injuries can derail a teams season.i still think Edmonton would have won it all in 2006 if not for Roloson suffering a sprained MCL in game in game 1 of the Stanley Cup finals against Carolina.

As for fan boredom and meaningless games i was referring to both the NHL and NBA
especially with Hockey being played in June.the average date of awarding the Stanley Cup is now June 11 compared to June 9 in the 90's May 23 in the 80's and May 17 in the 70's
CBC asked the NHL to delay the start of last year's Stanley Cup by 5 days because they wanted a possible third saturday night telecast in case the series went to game seven
(Canadians are genetically encoded to watch Hockey on a saturday night)
but the season really should be over by mid May at the latest.i also think the NHL should adopt a 68 game schedule
which would allow for more recovery time between games and lift the overall quality of games.wont happen though as the owners would not want to lose ticket revenue,
which is important with the NHL being a gate driven league.and the players would'nt want to take a pay cut either
and as for the NBA instead of playing 60 games over 120 days they've crammed 66 games into those 120 days which is just ridiculous.
Although i do like Bill Simmons idea for a 75 game season starting on Christmas day with the regular season ending over the Memorial Day weekend
and to spread the playoffs over 2 months through to the end of july.
 
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The AXXXMAN

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Yes. It is too long. the premiership becomes an after thought for me personally after the first month. I'll watch it, but I wont schedule my weekend around it. Competition-wise, i find it pointless to schedule 24 matches of round robin play per club to sort out the best teams, then still promote half of the comp to the post season where it essentially becomes a single game season. The regular season drags on, limping from week to week, is operational yet almost non-existent during origin, and for all but the diehards, it really only fires up in interest from mid-to-late July in the run up to finals.

A shorter season with a smaller proportion of teams making the post season will make each game of the regular season more of a must-win scenario, hence make it more relevant, exciting, interesting, and much more of an event. Compromising to networks has made the premiership bland for the most part. They benefit from more product to schedule over the course of the year. The premiership can still rake in the $$$ from a rights fee with fewer games if the interest in it becomes as such that most club games become a must-watch event. This is the case in the NFL. Every game is must-win, the twists and turns within the season are countless, and the interest in it is extraordinary from Kickoff in Week 1 to the Superbowl in Wk 22.
 

Teddyboy

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Yes. It is too long. the premiership becomes an after thought for me personally after the first month. I'll watch it, but I wont schedule my weekend around it. Competition-wise, i find it pointless to schedule 24 matches of round robin play per club to sort out the best teams, then still promote half of the comp to the post season where it essentially becomes a single game season. The regular season drags on, limping from week to week, is operational yet almost non-existent during origin, and for all but the diehards, it really only fires up in interest from mid-to-late July in the run up to finals.

A shorter season with a smaller proportion of teams making the post season will make each game of the regular season more of a must-win scenario, hence make it more relevant, exciting, interesting, and much more of an event. Compromising to networks has made the premiership bland for the most part. They benefit from more product to schedule over the course of the year. The premiership can still rake in the $$$ from a rights fee with fewer games if the interest in it becomes as such that most club games become a must-watch event. This is the case in the NFL. Every game is must-win, the twists and turns within the season are countless, and the interest in it is extraordinary from Kickoff in Week 1 to the Superbowl in Wk 22.

Good post.
 

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