Ist ODI NZ v Pakistan

[Meth]

Shafiq on the end of a rough LBW call. To my eyes at first look, it was out, but on replay, it was a clearing the stumps by a long way

 

[shiznit]

Mills was one of the best one day bowlers in the world a year or so back, I don't think it matters at all if you only bowl at high 120's in ODI cricket.

if some dorky ranking system for individual players makes you feel better than good on you...

thats NZ cricket fans for you... we get embarrassed by the banga's... but not to worry... Mills and Vettori are ranked the number one ODI bowlers by the ICC... :roll:

but seriously... you cant see there is something seriously wrong with opening the bowling with a bloke who cant break the mid 120's?? :shock:

 

[Fast Eddie]

if some dorky ranking system for individual players makes you feel better than good on you...

thats NZ cricket fans for you... we get embarrassed by the banga's... but not to worry... Mills and Vettori are ranked the number one ODI bowlers by the ICC... :roll:

but seriously... you cant see there is something seriously wrong with opening the bowling with a bloke who cant break the mid 120's?? :shock:

Uh no? Not if he does his job which he did today who cares how fast he bowls? You''re obviously a very casual cricket fan at best......and I was going to leave it there but your logic is completley f**ked and so was that post in general. For starters Mills was one of the best ODI bowlers in the world and I used to bag him on all the time but for about a year or two he took wickets and went for f**k all. And this "thats NZ cricket fans for you... we get embarrassed by the banga's... but not to worry... Mills and Vettori are ranked the number one ODI bowlers by the ICC... :roll:" has absolutely no relevance to what was being discussed at all but you just chucked it in there because you have no clue at all.

 

[Meth]

Franklin's return was great and he frustrated the batsmen for Southee to capitalize. However, Harfeez and Akmal looked far from world class

 

[shiznit]

Uh no? Not if he does his job which he did today who cares how fast he bowls? You''re obviously a very casual cricket fan at best......and I was going to leave it there but your logic is completley f**ked and so was that post in general. For starters Mills was one of the best ODI bowlers in the world and I used to bag him on all the time but for about a year or two he took wickets and went for f**k all. And this "thats NZ cricket fans for you... we get embarrassed by the banga's... but not to worry... Mills and Vettori are ranked the number one ODI bowlers by the ICC... :roll:" has absolutely no relevance to what was being discussed at all but you just chucked it in there because you have no clue at all.

Steady-Eddie... obviously you dont like being pigeonholed into being an average NZ Cricket fan.

the problem i have with your line of thinking is all you care about is that they get through the initial overs without getting tap... so your happy with having a military medium pacer opening the bowling as long as they dont get hit. its the 'safe' option...

for mine i would like NZ to try and take wickets in the first 10 overs... we should be striving for a fast bowler who can keep it tight but also take wickets...

how the f**k does opening the bowling with a 128k trundler help this??

if you consider me a casual cricket fan... then you obviously consider yourself a diehard cricket fan... :lol:

 

[Meth]

Big wicket from Bennett.

 

[Fast Eddie]

:lol::lol::lol: ok all we need to do is churn out some express bowlers who takes wickets but keeps it tight....oh and while we're at it can we get an opening batsman who averages 45 at a strike rate of 110?

And if you didn't know like Meth has already mentioned there is a thing called bowling in partnerships...Franklin kept it tight at one end and Southee prospered at the other and we had them 3 down for 30 odd. On Indian pitches pace is not going to be important at all.

 

[Meth]

And another

 

[shiznit]

:lol::lol::lol: ok all we need to do is churn out some express bowlers who takes wickets but keeps it tight....oh and while we're at it can we get an opening batsman who averages 45 at a strike rate of 110?

And if you didn't know like Meth has already mentioned there is a thing called bowling in partnerships...Franklin kept it tight at one end and Southee prospered at the other and we had them 3 down for 30 odd. On Indian pitches pace is not going to be important at all.

WTF?? we dont need to churn anything out... we just need to use the bowlers that we have correctly.

we have a another bowler who's quick enough already in the squad today... we should have opened with Bennett... and had the expectations on him to keep it tight..

the way he's bowling now... i highly doubt Franklin will be opening in the next game...

 

[Meth]

Ughh Oram

 

[Meth]

I would have thought we would have opened with Southee/Bennett, but evidently Franklin was successful bowling first up and Bennett has been successful bowling 4th. No dramas for mine

 

[Fast Eddie]

Yeah so let me get this staright, you're complaining because Franklin opened up with 4 overs none for 13 and then the younger inexperienced Bennett got to come on with no fielding restrictions and when they were under pressure and took wickets but they should be swapped just because he bowls 10 k's quicker? I'd say their experiment worked perfectly.

 

[Meth]

Great catch McCullum. This is Southee's day

 

[Meth]

Pakistan all out for 124

Woeful batting.

Wonderful bowling?

 

[shiznit]

Yeah so let me get this staright, you're complaining because Franklin opened up with 4 overs none for 13 and then the younger inexperienced Bennett got to come on with no fielding restrictions and when they were under pressure and took wickets but they should be swapped just because he bowls 10 k's quicker? I'd say their experiment worked perfectly.

what experiment?? there was no experiment here... all it was here was Vettori just didn't have the confidence in Bennett to do the job with the new ball.

which is frankly a load of rubbish... they picked the kid... let him do his job.

hes not in there to be 2nd change bowler... hes in the team to bowl quick and take wickets. the best chance he has of doing that is with the new ball.

if he cant bowl with the fielding restrictions on then why the hell is he in the team...

the kid doesn't need protecting... he needs a chance.

 

[Scott]

Excellent job by the bowlers. Doube Allan Donald's pay and sign him for life!!!

On Franklin opening the bowling, I like the move personally. Due to his ability to swing it into the right hander he is most dangerous with the new ball. If he gets hit out of the attack, so be it. He's more than likely only going to bowl the 1 spell regardless of what happens.

On the team in general, I like the balance of this side. McCullum B batting down the order is where suits the side best and it looks a stronger batting lineup on paper. Lets hope they can get the job done tonight.

 

[shiznit]

Excellent job by the bowlers. Doube Allan Donald's pay and sign him for life!!!

On Franklin opening the bowling, I like the move personally. Due to his ability to swing it into the right hander he is most dangerous with the new ball. If he gets hit out of the attack, so be it. He's more than likely only going to bowl the 1 spell regardless of what happens.

On the team in general, I like the balance of this side. McCullum B batting down the order is where suits the side best and it looks a stronger batting lineup on paper. Lets hope they can get the job done tonight.

thats the thing though... in conditions where there was serious swing available to the bowlers... Franklin got NOTHING... Southee was swinging the ball... Franklin was bowling military medium pacers.

i dont see how opening with Franklin was seen as a success... Southee took his wickets because he was getting movement in the air and off the deck... it had very little to do with Franklin up the other end.

quite frankly... we may have seen more carnage in the Paki batting line up if Bennett had opened.

 

[Meth]

I'm sure the bowlers, particularly Southee and Bennett, would have been keen to impress Donald and that would have given them a lift. But I seriously doubt Donald could have made a major difference in the time he has been here

 

[Scott]

I'm sure the bowlers, particularly Southee and Bennett, would have been keen to impress Donald and that would have given them a lift. But I seriously doubt Donald could have made a major difference in the time he has been here

It may be the simple fact that they are in the presence of greatness.

 

[Scott]

thats the thing though... in conditions where there was serious swing available to the bowlers... Franklin got NOTHING... Southee was swinging the ball... Franklin was bowling military medium pacers.

i dont see how opening with Franklin was seen as a success... Southee took his wickets because he was getting movement in the air and off the deck... it had very little to do with Franklin up the other end.

quite frankly... we may have seen more carnage in the Paki batting line up if Bennett had opened.

Each to their own, as I said, I like the idea of him opening up, and I believe Bennett is of more value with a slightly older ball. Franklin is never going to run through a side, and very rarely will he bowl a second spell. He did a solid job today.