Ist ODI NZ v Pakistan

[Fast Eddie]

thats the thing though... in conditions where there was serious swing available to the bowlers... Franklin got NOTHING... Southee was swinging the ball... Franklin was bowling military medium pacers.

i dont see how opening with Franklin was seen as a success... Southee took his wickets because he was getting movement in the air and off the deck... it had very little to do with Franklin up the other end.

quite frankly... we may have seen more carnage in the Paki batting line up if Bennett had opened.

Are you going to whinge when Mills opens the bowling at the WC because he only bowls high 120's? Or should they bowl Mills 2nd change just because he bowls that pace....

 

[Meth]

It may be the simple fact that they are in the presence of greatness.

Yeah, like I said, I'm sure that provides a boost. But in terms of technical appraisal, Donald won't have had too much of a chance to have as much of an impact as we might expect from him.

 

[Meth]

haha Shoaib owned

 

[Meth]

Ryder's on fire

 

[Iafeta]

You'

if some dorky ranking system for individual players makes you feel better than good on you...

thats NZ cricket fans for you... we get embarrassed by the banga's... but not to worry... Mills and Vettori are ranked the number one ODI bowlers by the ICC... :roll:

but seriously... you cant see there is something seriously wrong with opening the bowling with a bloke who cant break the mid 120's?? :shock:

You're a long way off the mark there I'm afraid. Mills and Vettori deserved the rankings they had in the one day format of the game. Both have consistently performed well against high class opposition.

Neither are particularly good test match bowlers for the reasons you nominate (lack of pace for Mills, lack of spin for Vettori), but both are ultra-reliable and consistent ODI bowlers and hence their previous rankings. New Zealand up until a year or so ago were an over-achiever in ODIs it seemed, and it was probably more or less off the back of having Bond, Mills and Vettori, all highly ranked ODI bowlers in their bowling ranks.

 

[Iafeta]

what experiment?? there was no experiment here... all it was here was Vettori just didn't have the confidence in Bennett to do the job with the new ball.

which is frankly a load of rubbish... they picked the kid... let him do his job.

hes not in there to be 2nd change bowler... hes in the team to bowl quick and take wickets. the best chance he has of doing that is with the new ball.

if he cant bowl with the fielding restrictions on then why the hell is he in the team...

the kid doesn't need protecting... he needs a chance.

3/26 off 8 overs suggests he got his chance, and took it.

For the record, Allan Donald often bowled first change for South Africa. I can understand the thought behind Franklin opening up, he is at most times a decent swing bowler yet he's clearly now in the team for his batting, understanding they need to get some overs out of him they let him do it when he is most effective.

shizzle, did you get out of the wrong side of bed? Seriously? They roll them for 120 odd, and are 50 for none after 6 overs, and yet you're whinging like we've conceeded 500 and are 40/7 in reply.

 

[Meth]

Shoaib's gone for 47 off his 4 overs

 

[Meth]

Superb 50 from Ryder (off 31 balls).

He's looked back to his best today. If we are to perform well in the World Cup, we need him in form

 

[Meth]

At first glance, I thought he grassed that. Keen to see the replay

 

[Meth]

Kamran Akmal is probably the most annoying wicket keeper in the world

 

[Fast Eddie]

Nah his brother is.

 

[ozbash]

good win and broke the streak.

 

[shiznit]

3/26 off 8 overs suggests he got his chance, and took it.

For the record, Allan Donald often bowled first change for South Africa. I can understand the thought behind Franklin opening up, he is at most times a decent swing bowler yet he's clearly now in the team for his batting, understanding they need to get some overs out of him they let him do it when he is most effective.

shizzle, did you get out of the wrong side of bed? Seriously? They roll them for 120 odd, and are 50 for none after 6 overs, and yet you're whinging like we've conceeded 500 and are 40/7 in reply.

nahh im all good with the team performance... just not keen with the conservative thinking behind Franklin opening the bowling.

for me its piss weak... we're trying to win the world cup... we wont win the world cup with franklin opening the bowling.

i also dont like the mindset of giving franklin the new ball because thats when he will be most effective.

the field is up, the ball is new and the batsman haven't settled yet so the new ball is usually where every bowler will be most effective. why waste it with a guy like Franklin?

hes a part-timer... if we feel the need that we have to get some overs out of him by giving him the new ball... than WTF is he doing in the team??

we may as well open the bowling with Styris FFS...

sure we won... but with a better mindset... they could be better.

 

[Dr Crane]

rolling a sub-continental side on a green seamer a month out from the world cup? that's hardly been a formula for success for us so far.

 

[ozbash]

its a start, doc.

 

[ANTiLAG]

Regards Franklin opening the bowling: I do not care at all. Donald bowled 3 as did Curtley and many other strike bowlers. I would not be surprised if Donald has come up with the plan of Franklin opening. Tight at one end is better than both kids getting spanked at both ends which could well happen in the modern game.

Regards Jake as a bowling all rounder: great to see him in the side. Any collapse I feel more comfortable with Jake in the batting line up that he could produce some yester year magic at any point. The guy has scored a lot of runs against quality line ups on tough pitches - would not be surprised if he finds a road to his liking in India.

I am really concerned that we have no strike bowler. SOuthee did well yesterday, and Mills will perform, but Bennet to me looks like he could get tapped without much success at World Cup. Hope Im wrong.

 

[Beavers Headgear]

what experiment?? there was no experiment here... all it was here was Vettori just didn't have the confidence in Bennett to do the job with the new ball.

which is frankly a load of rubbish... they picked the kid... let him do his job.

hes not in there to be 2nd change bowler... hes in the team to bowl quick and take wickets. the best chance he has of doing that is with the new ball.

if he cant bowl with the fielding restrictions on then why the hell is he in the team...

the kid doesn't need protecting... he needs a chance.

Didn't realise that you were one of the people selecting the side

He is lucky to be anywhere near the squad at all, he has been awful in domestic cricket and doing what he did yesterday would ease him up the levels a bit easier I am sure