"It’s very realistic to say that we’ll have a second team in Brisbane in 2023": V'landys

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

PTV Manly are still ahead of St George, Canterbury, Gold Coast and New Zealand.

But they're still down the bottom, are they not?

Cowboys were woeful on the field but still kicked the arse of most Sydney clubs. Broncos were still pulling great ratings.

Cronulla and St George pulled few because the combined population of St George and Sutherland is what, 500k?

It would be better to send one of Dragons or Sharks to Adelaide and have the remaining team rebrand as Southern Sydney.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Better than your shít popularity contest in that stoopid graph that has no NZ warriors.... how dumb
Theres no one way to define popularity for each team, due to how the schedule affects each FTA game, also form comes into it, plus History of being either famous, villainous, cellar dweller or all of the above.. your obsession with a licence witch hunt is plain stoopid.
They aren't a valuable piece of paper that has be transfered to another club if not used to full potential. We could have 32 clubs, 2-4 in every city, and still have the same amount in NSW, and you'd still try to dredge up ways to put shít on the manlys, newcastle or cronullas of the game..
The point is NRL or the ARLC want new teams that will promote more participation, how does culling existing teams benefit the league, it wont, snd then when a team like roosters starts to have a few lean years, and be where dogs and sea eagles are, theyll all start stabbing each other in the back again.
Where as now the clubs seemed to be unified knowingly holding an infinite NRL licence, so no ones going anywhere, this isn't Union, where theyd cut and run when shít goes sideways.
You want less sydney based teams? Manly plays more games in Gosford, Dragons more in Illawarra, Penrith well, they're 40mins west of civilization, thats already 3 teams spread far and away from the bottleneck in sydney
So really, Tigers, Bulldogs, Eels, Sharks, Rabbits and Roosters, 6 in 16 teams, with further expansion 6 in 20 teams, ratio isn't that bad, and if the Roosters could move to North Sydney or Adelaide, even better

The graph from PythagoNRL was based on comprehensive data from Foxtel not usually supplied to us.

He didn't show Warriors because they're from another country. It was also a collection of data from 2017-2019.

WTF do you hate the Roosters so much?

Despite all the shit you throw at the Roosters, they are regularly in the top half of Sydney teams for ratings and attendances. The strong teams from Sydney that are safe would be South Sydney, Parramatta, Western Sydney, Sydney and Penrith. From there you would look to turn the Sea Eagles into North Sydney Sea Eagles to emulate what Wests have achieved, with the caveat being if the people don't get behind the team then its licence will go to Brisbane 3. Rebrand St George as Southern Sydney Dragons and send Cronulla to Adelaide. Canterbury could be sent to Christchurch. Add Brisbane 2 and Perth for a strong national competition.

Wests will grow stronger without having to compete with Canterbury. Dragons can become a force again. No one will miss Sharks in Sydney.

 

[Perth Red]

Also wasn't intially going to address this but since you are an absolute mega chode.

Maybe get some accurate info.

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not sure you can read much into that graph as any club that gets regular fta games is going to have a much larger accumulative audience across both mediums than the ones stuck on fox every week. The best data would be club tv audience by game slot by fta or ptv over say a 5 year period to balance out form and fixtures. What the second one shows though is how valuable melbourne are to fox deal and how we need them to keep successful.

 

[MugaB]

not sure you can read much into that graph as any club that gets regular fta games is going to have a much larger accumulative audience across both mediums than the ones stuck on fox every week. The best data would be club tv audience by game slot by fta or ptv over say a 5 year period to balance out form and fixtures. What the second one shows though is how valuable melbourne are to fox deal and how we need them to keep successful.

Better than some shit graph "apparently" about being Marketability
Without showing a team of NZ.

The graph from PythagoNRL was based on comprehensive data from Foxtel not usually supplied to us.

He didn't show Warriors because they're from another country. It was also a collection of data from 2017-2019.

WTF do you hate the Roosters so much?

Same reason you probably hate the Bronx.

Roosters are a blight on the game in sydney as much as the broncos were to the BRL in 1988, they service nothing but themselves, no catchment, no juniors, just poach every other clubs prospects.
Clubs like that are fine when they are interstate, like Melbourne, Raiders or Cowboys, but not when theres 9 teams in Sydney alone.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Better than some shit graph "apparently" about being Marketability
Without showing a team of NZ.


Same reason you probably hate the Bronx.

Roosters are a blight on the game in sydney as much as the broncos were to the BRL in 1988, they service nothing but themselves, no catchment, no juniors, just poach every other clubs prospects.
Clubs like that are fine when they are interstate, like Melbourne, Raiders or Cowboys, but not when theres 9 teams in Sydney alone.

The reason the graph didn't show Warriors was because PythagoNRL couldn't get data from NZ you donkey!

Roosters were created long before Manly, St George, Cronulla, Penrith and Canterbury.

 

[flippikat]

Rebrand St George as Southern Sydney Dragons and send Cronulla to Adelaide. Canterbury could be sent to Christchurch. Add Brisbane 2 and Perth for a strong national competition.

Wests will grow stronger without having to compete with Canterbury. Dragons can become a force again. No one will miss Sharks in Sydney.

Agree with a lot of that, BUT.. I think the St George-Illawarra change to Southern Sydney is problematic because A - it's too similar to "South Sydney" and B - it disregards the Illawarra region.

South COAST may work, but I think that's kinda grasping at straws.. for lack of anything better (and for history's sake), St George-Illawarra would still be fine if Cronulla were relocated to Adelaide because it defines the northern & southern extent of their area.

 

[Perth Red]

Could go all Gansta and call themselves the Southside Dragons lol

 

[MugaB]

The reason the graph didn't show Warriors was because PythagoNRL couldn't get data from NZ you donkey!

Roosters were created long before Manly, St George, Cronulla, Penrith and Canterbury.

So what? Brisbane broncos was created before cowboys, titans etc, whats your point! And you still want them gone.

No data for NZ then your graph is irrelevant, it doesn't show everything, then the pool of data is tainted, your use of data is terrible, and skewed to bend to your narrative. A month ago you were clamouring to move St.george to Adelaide as there is churches or expats there or some shit, now its cronulla, which is it this time mr flipflop? This month its manly is shít-athon, make a plan and stick to it, don't use dumb graphs to point out crowds or viewers coz they will never be accurate or useful, it like asking how many people in the world like the color blue... well heres a graph .... dumb

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Agree with a lot of that, BUT.. I think the St George-Illawarra change to Southern Sydney is problematic because A - it's too similar to "South Sydney" and B - it disregards the Illawarra region.

South COAST may work, but I think that's kinda grasping at straws.. for lack of anything better (and for history's sake), St George-Illawarra would still be fine if Cronulla were relocated to Adelaide because it defines the northern & southern extent of their area.

Southern Sydney Illawarra Dragons.

 

[T-Boon]

what about the Western Dragons. Move them to Perth.

 

[T-Boon]

Agree with a lot of that, BUT.. I think the St George-Illawarra change to Southern Sydney is problematic because A - it's too similar to "South Sydney" and B - it disregards the Illawarra region.
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The Rabbitohs should be Homebush Rabbitohs.

 

[Travitoh]

The AFL has a womens premiership team in Brisbane while NRL expansion discussions are revolving around what teams should represent what Sydney suburbs and adding teams to rugby league regions.

Is the NRL's expansion strategy so slow that it is actually going backwards?

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

The AFL has a womens premiership team in Brisbane while NRL expansion discussions are revolving around what teams should represent what Sydney suburbs and adding teams to rugby league regions.

Is the NRL's expansion strategy so slow that it is actually going backwards?

Panthers to Perth.
Sharks to Adelaide.
Bulldogs to Christchurch.

Then you can add Brisbane 2 and 3. The game is set up nicely for the next 20 years.

Tigers become a super club representing a massive area from Penrith to Canterbury. Dragons can represent everything from Southern Sydney through to Illawarra.

 

[mongoose]

what about the Sydney Roobitohdragsharkdogs? a super club that represents 57 suburbs across the inner south west

 

[flippikat]

Well.. looks like the Sharks very nearly went under & would have been axed or relocated, but one of V'Landys first actions was to save them...

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/ho...extinction-or-relocation-20210417-p57k1n.html

That could have seen a 2nd team in Brisbane a few years ago....

 

[Perth Red]

Well.. looks like the Sharks very nearly went under & would have been axed or relocated, but one of V'Landys first actions was to save them...

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/ho...extinction-or-relocation-20210417-p57k1n.html

That could have seen a 2nd team in Brisbane a few years ago....

They are not back in the black at all, they still operationally lost over $2million last year. $3.2million loss in 2019, $420k profit in 2018 largely due to a $5mill one off payment and $2.5million loss in 2017. At some point you’d hope their investments are going to turn around their operational losses but it certainly hasn’t happened yet.

 

[flippikat]

They are not back in the black at all, they still operationally lost over $2million last year. $3.2million loss in 2019, $420k profit in 2018 largely due to a $5mill one off payment and $2.5million loss in 2017. At some point you’d hope their investments are going to turn around their operational losses but it certainly hasn’t happened yet.

Maybe I'm reading too much into it, but could V'Landys saving the Sharks with no strings attached have been one of the reasons Greenberg left?

 

[MugaB]

Maybe I'm reading too much into it, but could V'Landys saving the Sharks with no strings attached have been one of the reasons Greenberg left?

Left?

Seriously didnt you see the cane hook around todds neck....
YANK!! exit stage left!!!
PVL musta thought this guys entitled salary and ideas were way off the track.
Not saying PVL has done a better job than greenturds tenure, but at least he is steering the ship in a better direction, imagine Todd was still there thru covid, game probably would have gone bust already, not just a relocated cronulla..
That's being small minded and repeating mistakes that post SL merger made by culling and merging teams has had, if it were done in this era, perth wouldnt have gone, nor the crushers, probably would still have North Sydney somewhere (gosford maybe).
The way the game was run then, you were invited to participate as an interstate team, but youd have to pay your way, the NRL wouldn't prop you up as it is now, imagine what 13mil player salary for those two clubs could have done

 

[flippikat]

Left?

Seriously didnt you see the cane hook around todds neck....
YANK!! exit stage left!!!
PVL musta thought this guys entitled salary and ideas were way off the track.
Not saying PVL has done a better job than greenturds tenure, but at least he is steering the ship in a better direction, imagine Todd was still there thru covid, game probably would have gone bust already, not just a relocated cronulla..
That's being small minded and repeating mistakes that post SL merger made by culling and merging teams has had, if it were done in this era, perth wouldnt have gone, nor the crushers, probably would still have North Sydney somewhere (gosford maybe).
The way the game was run then, you were invited to participate as an interstate team, but youd have to pay your way, the NRL wouldn't prop you up as it is now, imagine what 13mil player salary for those two clubs could have done

Ok, fair point that he was clearly turfed.. but my point is that the NRL had a clear opportunity to relocate a struggling club and V'Landys effectively vetoed it.

It wouldn't necessarily have been culling or merging - in fact, I can understand those two options being unpalatable, given the experience of the late 1990s-early 2000s.. BUT we've never tried relocation - something the AFL has done successfully.. and from what this says, the door was slammed on it by V'Landys.. despite other officials *at least* considering it.

I'm not sure why you dragged in the Covid-19 stuff.. as it's a) something that happened after this situation with Cronulla, and b) something that every code had to adapt to & endure.. and every major code HAS found a way to endure it.

 

[MugaB]

Ok, fair point that he was clearly turfed.. but I think you missed my point that the NRL had a clear opportunity to relocate a struggling club and V'Landys effectively vetoed it.

It wouldn't necessarily have been culling or merging - in fact, I can understand those two options being unpalatable, given the experience of the late 1990s-early 2000s.. BUT we've never tried relocation - something the AFL has done successfully.. and from what this says, the door was slammed on it by V'Landys.. despite other officials *at least* considering it.

We ARE NOT THE A.F.L!!
constant comparisons because we rival them in veiwerships, don't mean we need to follow their lead, we shouldn't be turfing clubs coz they are struggling, as in a few years they might be one of our biggest assets, you only need to look at souths as an example, they were perennial losers, and culled as a result to the "criteria" and now?
Most nswrl fans aren't fond of the warriors, but they are in another country, something AFL will most probably never have... so every club has something unique, and all together the brand is strong because they all play a part, whether it looks valuable or cost more than others.
Sharks are no different, nor was North Sydney or any if the teams forced to merge back before 2000, yes dragons have seem to make it work, and tigers somewhat when they both were in good form, but now there is still baggage, and throwing clubs out is not the way to treat your customer/fanbase, it breeds resentment, and that will trickle thru to other clubs especially when they fear they might be next, coz you've already done it once.
Relocation should not be a punishment, it should be offered at deaths door, or paid/incentivised to everyone, but not pushed onto any club. The NRL will hurt as a brand if any one club goes thru what souths went thru back in 1999..
Its not worth giving a leg up to rival codes, especially since northern suburbs/sydney has no presence in top flight, thats a possible 500 thousand to 1million people watching other codes, instead of ours, imagine what would happen in the shire, its a rugby league junior nursery there, its very large, but people here keep looking at population of council, not junior players actually playing the game in those areas, under their catchments, Penrith is giganitic.
but using council population as data? thats means shit, if your not playing league, to put it in perspective Melbourne has 5 million population, but no one plays league. We have a team in Melbourne to show we can have a team in Melbourne really, who are they servicing? Victoria, maybe, maybe it will grow into something better, maybe when AFL stops being a thing... you need teams where the game is played, not just for click count crowds, for participation, otherwise we'll be importing players from Nz and the PIs for the next 20 years till the game goes broke