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Media predictions from 2012 were right

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The Dolphins added an extra $100m over five years to the broadcast deal.

According to the News Corp report, the Foxtel deal, which is believed to be worth around $100 million over the next five years, will cover the costs of the expanded league.


David Gyngel predicted the value of Brisbane 2 to be worth $100m over five years in 2012.

Ch9 and Foxtel weren't interested in a Perth team in 2012.

It looks like nothing has changed.

Expansion connected to new TV rights deal
By Roy Masters
April 19, 2012 — 3.00am


Strong interest by broadcasters in a second Brisbane team may prompt the ARL Commission to ask TV networks to lodge a separate rights bid for an 18-team competition.

Both Fox Sports and Channel Nine are keen to televise a second Brisbane team and capitalise on the parochial ratings of Queenslanders.

With only three Queensland NRL teams in its 16-team competition - Brisbane, North Queensland and Gold Coast - Nine is frequently frustrated finding enough Queensland teams to schedule for its Friday night double header and its Sunday afternoon coverage.

Ratings are traditionally down in Queensland when Nine shows an all-Sydney game on Sundays, such as the recent Penrith-Wests Tigers match.

Fox Sports also suffers because the free-to-air coverage of the three Queensland teams means there is less incentive for northerners to take up Foxtel subscriptions.

While Sydney subscriptions are approximately 40 per cent of households, Brisbane is in the 33 to 35 per cent range.

Nine boss David Gyngell has intimated he would pay an additional $100 million over five years in broadcast fees should a second Brisbane team be accepted, even as a 17th team, meaning a bye and the existing eight matches each week.

Broadcasters bidding for TV rights have been told to tender on the basis of a 16-team competition but ARLC chief executive David Gallop has said expansion could be factored into negotiations.

''We obviously would be interested to know what value broadcasters place on a ninth match,'' Gallop said.

A ninth match, meaning an 18th team, would draw even more broadcasting revenue, with the AFL acknowledging it drew an additional $150 million from the introduction of the low rating Gold Coast Suns and Greater Western Sydney Giants.

Perth is widely regarded as the best option as an 18th team, given the opportunity it presents with an additional time zone. However, both Nine and Fox Sports have expressed lukewarm interest in a Perth team.

This may change if Channel Seven becomes an active bidder for the rights. Seven, unlike Nine, owns the Perth channel.

Gallop has told the Perth and Queensland bids that the commission would be unlikely to address the question of expansion until August and even then may announce there will be no new teams during the life of the next broadcast contract.

This has not deterred the Western Australia Reds spending significant sums rebranding the team.

The Brisbane Bombers, who are investing in financial modelling, are well advanced with their case to enter the competition in 2015. They point out there are only 12 games, barring finals, in Brisbane each year - compared with Sydney's 108 - and a second Brisbane team would mean the 52,000-seat Suncorp Stadium, one of Australia's best arenas, would be used for rugby league each week during the winter. A second Brisbane team offers the opportunity to break the seven-day cycle the Broncos enjoy, a privilege that antagonises other clubs.

Channel Nine's regular Friday night choice of the Broncos means the Brisbane club has a regular preparation routine, with players enjoying the weekend off, unlike teams that play on Monday nights and back up five days later on Saturdays.

If a second Brisbane team was introduced, along with fixed scheduling, the Broncos could play alternate Fridays and Sundays.

The Broncos also have cash reserves of $13.8 million, greater than the turnover of some of the NRL's poorest clubs, such as Cronulla.

Many sponsorship opportunities are lost to rugby league in Brisbane because of the exclusive deals businesses make with the Broncos, shutting out rivals.

Ipswich has also mounted a bid but the provincial city, given it provided the Walters brothers and Allan Langer, is perceived as a cheer squad for the Broncos.

A central Queensland bid is also well advanced and is led by one of the state's richest men, Geoff Murphy. A beef baron, Murphy says a Rockhampton-based team would be owned by the community, although he would maintain a significant shareholding.

''We want to capitalise on the huge playing numbers in the region,'' he said. ''The new Queensland government have promised us a 20,000-seat stadium if we win a licence.''

Murphy said a report he commissioned with LEK's Colin Smith demonstrated that an additional Queensland team would add significant extra value to a broadcasting contract. The ARLC will obviously monitor the financial health of the Titans before making any decision on a fourth Queensland team.

 
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Pippen94

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Yep, TV has always & still states clearly that it wants more se qld teams. Anybody here who says otherwise I immediately put on ignore. Time is too short to deal with dumb ppl.

Btw, I remember central Queensland bid. If they get the band back together, I'll favour them 2nd behind Brisbane 3.
 
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Yep, TV has always & still states clearly that it wants more se qld teams. Anybody here who says otherwise I immediately put on ignore. Time is too short to deal with dumb ppl.

Btw, I remember central Queensland bid. If they get the band back together, I'll favour them 2nd behind Brisbane 3.

The predictions from David Gyngel and Colin Smith turned out to be true. @mongoose dismissed their claims as "throwaway lines".

@Perth Red claimed the broadcasters paid nothing for the Dolphins.

Both were wrong and are now in denial.
 

Pippen94

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The predictions from David Gyngel and Colin Smith turned out to be true. @mongoose dismissed their claims as "throwaway lines".

@Perth Red claimed the broadcasters paid nothing for the Dolphins.

Both were wrong and are now in denial.

Perth crew have lost a bit of fire. They know there will never be a team out west. TV still wanting another Brisbane even after dolphins.
 

mongoose

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so some article from 2012 when Gallop was CEO talking about how beneficial a 2nd Brisbane team is supposed to prove what exactly?
 
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so some article from 2012 when Gallop was CEO talking about how beneficial a 2nd Brisbane team is supposed to prove what exactly?
Are you really this stupid?

Gyngel said a second Brisbane team in a 17 team competiton was worth $100m over 5 years. News Ltd paid $100m over 5 years for the Dolphins to compete in a 17 team competiton.

The idiot in Perth claimed the broadcasters paid nothing for the Dolphins.

Roy Masters pointed out that the broadcasters aren't interested in Perth. I've been telling you this for years. There's people on here who think Perth are the broadcasters' preferred option for the 18th licence.
 

mongoose

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Are you really this stupid?

Gyngel said a second Brisbane team in a 17 team competiton was worth $100m over 5 years. News Ltd paid $100m over 5 years for the Dolphins to compete in a 17 team competiton.

The idiot in Perth claimed the broadcasters paid nothing for the Dolphins.

Roy Masters pointed out that the broadcasters aren't interested in Perth. I've been telling you this for years. There's people on here who think Perth are the broadcasters' preferred option for the 18th licence.
what did Channel 9 pay? Isn't that where Gyngel worked?
 

Pippen94

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what did Channel 9 pay? Isn't that where Gyngel worked?

He's gone, but company still stating their preference for more qld teams twelve years later. Look at which clubs are getting most games on nine this year: broncos, dolphins & quasi qld team Melbourne.
Nobody wants Perth but dots on maps set, but even their resolve is slackening as they realize a team out west will never happen..
 

mongoose

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He's gone, but company still stating their preference for more qld teams twelve years later. Look at which clubs are getting most games on nine this year: broncos, dolphins & quasi qld team Melbourne.
Nobody wants Perth but dots on maps set, but even their resolve is slackening as they realize a team out west will never happen..
ah yes I saw that.. "we think there's room...." I guess its 100% certain then that the next team will be Brisbane 3 LOL
 

Pippen94

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ah yes I saw that.. "we think there's room...." I guess its 100% certain then that the next team will be Brisbane 3 LOL

Yet, U use only part of the quote to undermine the impact maybe?!

There's no money in Perth. Nothing in it for broadcasters & will cost NRL money to prop up. It will never happen & it's clear penny is finally dropping with some here.

Don't blame me. Blame capitalism.
 
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what did Channel 9 pay? Isn't that where Gyngel worked?
Gyngel said a second team was worth $100m over five years. News Ltd paid an extra $100m over five years.

V'landys signed the deal with News Ltd before negotiating with Ch9. The new deal took four Broncos games away from Ch9.

Why would Ch9 pay more for less access to the most watched team in the NRL?
 

Wb1234

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The Dolphins added an extra $100m over five years to the broadcast deal.

According to the News Corp report, the Foxtel deal, which is believed to be worth around $100 million over the next five years, will cover the costs of the expanded league.

David Gyngel predicted the value of Brisbane 2 to be worth $100m over five years in 2012.

Ch9 and Foxtel weren't interested in a Perth team in 2012.

It looks like nothing has changed.

Expansion connected to new TV rights deal
By Roy Masters
April 19, 2012 — 3.00am
Strong interest by broadcasters in a second Brisbane team may prompt the ARL Commission to ask TV networks to lodge a separate rights bid for an 18-team competition.​
Both Fox Sports and Channel Nine are keen to televise a second Brisbane team and capitalise on the parochial ratings of Queenslanders.​
With only three Queensland NRL teams in its 16-team competition - Brisbane, North Queensland and Gold Coast - Nine is frequently frustrated finding enough Queensland teams to schedule for its Friday night double header and its Sunday afternoon coverage.​
Ratings are traditionally down in Queensland when Nine shows an all-Sydney game on Sundays, such as the recent Penrith-Wests Tigers match.​
Fox Sports also suffers because the free-to-air coverage of the three Queensland teams means there is less incentive for northerners to take up Foxtel subscriptions.​
While Sydney subscriptions are approximately 40 per cent of households, Brisbane is in the 33 to 35 per cent range.​
Nine boss David Gyngell has intimated he would pay an additional $100 million over five years in broadcast fees should a second Brisbane team be accepted, even as a 17th team, meaning a bye and the existing eight matches each week.
Broadcasters bidding for TV rights have been told to tender on the basis of a 16-team competition but ARLC chief executive David Gallop has said expansion could be factored into negotiations.​
''We obviously would be interested to know what value broadcasters place on a ninth match,'' Gallop said.​
A ninth match, meaning an 18th team, would draw even more broadcasting revenue, with the AFL acknowledging it drew an additional $150 million from the introduction of the low rating Gold Coast Suns and Greater Western Sydney Giants.​
Perth is widely regarded as the best option as an 18th team, given the opportunity it presents with an additional time zone. However, both Nine and Fox Sports have expressed lukewarm interest in a Perth team.​
This may change if Channel Seven becomes an active bidder for the rights. Seven, unlike Nine, owns the Perth channel.​
Gallop has told the Perth and Queensland bids that the commission would be unlikely to address the question of expansion until August and even then may announce there will be no new teams during the life of the next broadcast contract.​
This has not deterred the Western Australia Reds spending significant sums rebranding the team.​
The Brisbane Bombers, who are investing in financial modelling, are well advanced with their case to enter the competition in 2015. They point out there are only 12 games, barring finals, in Brisbane each year - compared with Sydney's 108 - and a second Brisbane team would mean the 52,000-seat Suncorp Stadium, one of Australia's best arenas, would be used for rugby league each week during the winter. A second Brisbane team offers the opportunity to break the seven-day cycle the Broncos enjoy, a privilege that antagonises other clubs.​
Channel Nine's regular Friday night choice of the Broncos means the Brisbane club has a regular preparation routine, with players enjoying the weekend off, unlike teams that play on Monday nights and back up five days later on Saturdays.​
If a second Brisbane team was introduced, along with fixed scheduling, the Broncos could play alternate Fridays and Sundays.​
The Broncos also have cash reserves of $13.8 million, greater than the turnover of some of the NRL's poorest clubs, such as Cronulla.​
Many sponsorship opportunities are lost to rugby league in Brisbane because of the exclusive deals businesses make with the Broncos, shutting out rivals.
Ipswich has also mounted a bid but the provincial city, given it provided the Walters brothers and Allan Langer, is perceived as a cheer squad for the Broncos.​
A central Queensland bid is also well advanced and is led by one of the state's richest men, Geoff Murphy. A beef baron, Murphy says a Rockhampton-based team would be owned by the community, although he would maintain a significant shareholding.​
''We want to capitalise on the huge playing numbers in the region,'' he said. ''The new Queensland government have promised us a 20,000-seat stadium if we win a licence.''​
Murphy said a report he commissioned with LEK's Colin Smith demonstrated that an additional Queensland team would add significant extra value to a broadcasting contract. The ARLC will obviously monitor the financial health of the Titans before making any decision on a fourth Queensland team.​
“Perth is widely regarded as the best option as an 18th team, given the opportunity it presents with an additional time zone. However, both Nine and Fox Sports have expressed lukewarm interest in a Perth team.”

@Colk @mongoose @Perth Red
 
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Yet, U use only part of the quote to undermine the impact maybe?!

There's no money in Perth. Nothing in it for broadcasters & will cost NRL money to prop up. It will never happen & it's clear penny is finally dropping with some here.

Don't blame me. Blame capitalism.
mongoose will say it was just a "throwaway line". It's funny how all of these "throwaway lines" end up becoming reality.

Butthurtski refers to WWOS Head of Strategy Simon Fordham as "the local weatherman". These people are not coping with Perth's lowly status.
 

Canard

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I think coming up with a shitty pun based on someone's username is the height of intelligence and in no way ad hominen deflection from the topic at hand.
 

mongoose

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mongoose will say it was just a "throwaway line". It's funny how all of these "throwaway lines" end up becoming reality.

Butthurtski refers to WWOS Head of Strategy Simon Fordham as "the local weatherman". These people are not coping with Perth's lowly status.
Still fighting that strawman that some of us thought Brisbane 2 wasn't going to be team 17 I see....
 

Pippen94

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They all were

they wanted Perth In as team 17

Brisbane was already covered by broncos

and we needed a National comp

now dolphins are sexond biggest club in the league they bs and say of course we wanted the dolphins

I think they know ppl can't be bothered doing search, but I remember well..
 

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