"It’s very realistic to say that we’ll have a second team in Brisbane in 2023": V'landys

[Jamberoo]

So Brisbane 2 is being brought in to bail out broke arse Sydney clubs?

How is it laughable?

We're living in the Asian century and Singapore is close enough and in the same time zone as Perth. A team there would ensure the Perth market gets to have a game broadcast at prime time every week once the Pirates are introduced to the NRL.

The Rugby 7s circuit have held an event there each year since 2002 and are contracted to continue fielding it until 2023.

Do I need to remind you that brain-dead spastics from the NSWRFL and Sydney media called Queenslanders and the QRL stupid and crazy in 1980 for introducing State of Origin?

The Sydney media and NSWRFL said it wouldn't work and would be canned after 1980. If these dickheads had their way then the largest event on the RL calendar wouldn't exist.

I'll tell you what's stupid beyond belief. Having two teams in Southern Sydney, which has only 500k people, few businesses to draw money from and produces bugger all players. That's just plain dumb, no matter how the suburbanites try to spin it. At least Singapore has 5.5m people and proven itself as a place willing to embrace new sports.

It is laughable. Miniscule ratings in Perth a justification for a team in Singapore. Perth is a not a good time zone anyway. Climate is bloody hot and night games not possible as it is too late in Eastern states. What players/administrators/coaches would want to move to Singapore to play RL? Travel would be a nightmare. Singapore has no history of any interest in RL. If Melbourne has never produced a single true home grown payer, how many do you think Singapore might produce? You might pinch a player or two from RU at best. And even if it is a relative success, how does it help the game in Australia? The team would simply be a player drain. And the fact that not everybody agreed with past decisions and innovations has no bearing on the merits of this one.

 

[Bring back John Fifita]

You gotta look at it differently, and know its not completed yet
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Be Positive Y'all

Positive??

Where's Adelaide in that???

 

[MugaB]

What the clubs like people to forget is that the vast majority of the broadcast revenue was pissed away on the clubs themselves, and not on administration costs like they want you to believe.

And what did the clubs do with that money, they increased expenditure of course, which almost exclusively went on their football departments, and continued to live outside their means while relying on their leagues clubs to pick up the bill, and those that didn't have LCs or rich benefactors went broke trying to keep up with them (e.g. Knights and Titans).

So what makes you think that the clubs will bother to reform their businesses when they can rely on their leagues clubs, and the league, to bail them out?!

No matter what 'streamlining' V'landys does they won't change, they'll just take all the extra money they can get and piss it all on frivolous shit as well, and then they'll continue to blame the ARLC and NRL for any of their misfortunes.

The only substantive thing that anybody could do to change that would be to create and enforce KPIs that the clubs have to meet otherwise risk losing their license, but that's never, ever, going to happen because the supposedly "independent commission" has club and state reps on it and as such isn't independent at all.

When i said "game" i aso meant the clubs aswell... so yeah very true

 

[MugaB]

Positive??

Where's Adelaide in that???

Roosters aren't there yet..... yes yes im dreaming again

 

[Perth Red]

It is laughable. Miniscule ratings in Perth a justification for a team in Singapore. Perth is a not a good time zone anyway. Climate is bloody hot and night games not possible as it is too late in Eastern states. What players/administrators/coaches would want to move to Singapore to play RL? Travel would be a nightmare. Singapore has no history of any interest in RL. If Melbourne has never produced a single true home grown payer, how many do you think Singapore might produce? You might pinch a player or two from RU at best. And even if it is a relative success, how does it help the game in Australia? The team would simply be a player drain. And the fact that not everybody agreed with past decisions and innovations has no bearing on the merits of this one.

nonsense, we play in winter (I'm guessing you haven't been to Perth in winter?). Sunday 4pm (6pm East coast) is a perfect KO time for TV and crowds. Stop talking about Singapore, its never going to happen. If we cant get a team in perth where we have stadium, investors Jnr development, corporate support and a fanbase that will fill the stadium then we arent ever going to high risk options like Singapore.

 

[Bring back John Fifita]

It is laughable. Miniscule ratings in Perth a justification for a team in Singapore. Perth is a not a good time zone anyway. Climate is bloody hot and night games not possible as it is too late in Eastern states. What players/administrators/coaches would want to move to Singapore to play RL? Travel would be a nightmare. Singapore has no history of any interest in RL. If Melbourne has never produced a single true home grown payer, how many do you think Singapore might produce? You might pinch a player or two from RU at best. And even if it is a relative success, how does it help the game in Australia? The team would simply be a player drain. And the fact that not everybody agreed with past decisions and innovations has no bearing on the merits of this one.

Singapore...

Aside from absolutely no history of RL, an 8 hour flight from Sydney, and one of the most expensive places to live in... in an NRL competition which had bled money for decades...

 

[Perth Red]

As the NRL considers three applications to be the 17th team, I’ve been given cause to contemplate the ‘rise of the club’ in our sport over the last 25 years.
Beware: I’m going to mention ‘the book’ again. As I read through the final manuscript for Two Tribes and make a few calls to tidy things up, it’s reinforcing to me how ridiculously chaotic things were between 1995 and 1999. It was like a gigantic natural disaster causing reshaping landscapes that erosion and tectonic plates would have taken millennia to impact upon.
Where a club was during those few years, and the decisions its bosses made, were more important to its history than generations of effort and decisions before or since. Then things settled down again and now we have progress and change proceeding at a glacial pace once more.
The accelerant back then, of course, was moolah; the flood of money caused by the introduction of pay television to Australia.
In 1997, clubs were considered expendable. In Two Tribes, South Sydney’s Shannon Donato recalls how players had to take turns picking up rubbish before training at Redfern Oval because there was no-one else to do it.
If a team could not pay its bills, it was reasonable to assume that it might drop out of the competition or be forced to merge. South Sydney were only what they are now – this gleaming institution – to their fans. To others, they were a broken down inner-city footy club.
We didn’t understand IP and branding the way we do now and the past didn’t have the same sort of lustre it developed as we made the transition from part time to full-time, pre-internet to internet age.
Only a couple of games a week were on TV, so the colours and iconography of the teams were not enshrined in popular culture as they are today.
Having scrambled onto the lifeboat for the turn of the century, leaving others drowning below them, the existing NRL clubs have since enjoyed unprecedented riches at a time when continuous long-term intellectual property has sky rocketed in value with the advent of social media.
If the clubs don’t like the ‘independent’ commission, they can keep voting members off until they get the ones they do like.
The loss of clubs like Souths and North Sydney has also led us to give them a lot more respect, with the return of the Rabbitohs adding to this perception that clubs should be untouchable. And the location of the team has become so much less important. We can follow Penrith without having ever driven along Mulgoa Road.
It was so important for the sport in 1995 to have a national footprint. Now, if people in Perth want to watch rugby league they can look at their smartphones. The ritual of going to the game is rarely examined in any detail because it’s not really a ritual.
All of this will make it unbelievably tough for the next team to put on the old South Queensland Crushers boxing gloves and step into the ring with the Brisbane Broncos.
The brand names of the existing clubs, and the attached power, have become so big that a new team will take decades to catch up in the marketplace. At least if the new team is in a new city, it has some clear air to work in.
In Brisbane just to wring a bit more juice out of an over-ripe orange? Finding the PR sweet-spot will require the likes of Cambridge Analytica or or Russian troll factory if the public are to be manipulated correctly into feeling an emotional attachment.
While the AFL discusses moving to Tasmania – and the clubs resist – rugby league contemplates its answer to Port Adelaide or Freo… again. It’s definitely not expansion. It’s not even reclamation.
In truth, it’s exploitation.

Why the NRL's plan for a 17th team looks more like exploitation than expansion

As the NRL considers three applications to be the 17th team, I’ve been given cause to contemplate the ‘rise of the club’ in our…

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[Pippen94]

As the NRL considers three applications to be the 17th team, I’ve been given cause to contemplate the ‘rise of the club’ in our sport over the last 25 years.
Beware: I’m going to mention ‘the book’ again. As I read through the final manuscript for Two Tribes and make a few calls to tidy things up, it’s reinforcing to me how ridiculously chaotic things were between 1995 and 1999. It was like a gigantic natural disaster causing reshaping landscapes that erosion and tectonic plates would have taken millennia to impact upon.
Where a club was during those few years, and the decisions its bosses made, were more important to its history than generations of effort and decisions before or since. Then things settled down again and now we have progress and change proceeding at a glacial pace once more.
The accelerant back then, of course, was moolah; the flood of money caused by the introduction of pay television to Australia.
In 1997, clubs were considered expendable. In Two Tribes, South Sydney’s Shannon Donato recalls how players had to take turns picking up rubbish before training at Redfern Oval because there was no-one else to do it.
If a team could not pay its bills, it was reasonable to assume that it might drop out of the competition or be forced to merge. South Sydney were only what they are now – this gleaming institution – to their fans. To others, they were a broken down inner-city footy club.
We didn’t understand IP and branding the way we do now and the past didn’t have the same sort of lustre it developed as we made the transition from part time to full-time, pre-internet to internet age.
Only a couple of games a week were on TV, so the colours and iconography of the teams were not enshrined in popular culture as they are today.
Having scrambled onto the lifeboat for the turn of the century, leaving others drowning below them, the existing NRL clubs have since enjoyed unprecedented riches at a time when continuous long-term intellectual property has sky rocketed in value with the advent of social media.
If the clubs don’t like the ‘independent’ commission, they can keep voting members off until they get the ones they do like.
The loss of clubs like Souths and North Sydney has also led us to give them a lot more respect, with the return of the Rabbitohs adding to this perception that clubs should be untouchable. And the location of the team has become so much less important. We can follow Penrith without having ever driven along Mulgoa Road.
It was so important for the sport in 1995 to have a national footprint. Now, if people in Perth want to watch rugby league they can look at their smartphones. The ritual of going to the game is rarely examined in any detail because it’s not really a ritual.
All of this will make it unbelievably tough for the next team to put on the old South Queensland Crushers boxing gloves and step into the ring with the Brisbane Broncos.
The brand names of the existing clubs, and the attached power, have become so big that a new team will take decades to catch up in the marketplace. At least if the new team is in a new city, it has some clear air to work in.
In Brisbane just to wring a bit more juice out of an over-ripe orange? Finding the PR sweet-spot will require the likes of Cambridge Analytica or or Russian troll factory if the public are to be manipulated correctly into feeling an emotional attachment.
While the AFL discusses moving to Tasmania – and the clubs resist – rugby league contemplates its answer to Port Adelaide or Freo… again. It’s definitely not expansion. It’s not even reclamation.
In truth, it’s exploitation.

Why the NRL's plan for a 17th team looks more like exploitation than expansion

As the NRL considers three applications to be the 17th team, I’ve been given cause to contemplate the ‘rise of the club’ in our…

www.theroar.com.au

17th team opens down for Perth as 18th then only needs a club in Adelaide. Mellow out

 

[Perth Red]

17th team opens down for Perth as 18th then only needs a club in Adelaide. Mellow out

I'm mellow, introducing a 17th team is the best chance for a very long time of seeing Perth come in. No one likes byes and the real value is in a ninth game so its only a matter of time. I just hope Vlandys is gone before that decision is made.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

It is laughable. Miniscule ratings in Perth a justification for a team in Singapore. Perth is a not a good time zone anyway. Climate is bloody hot and night games not possible as it is too late in Eastern states. What players/administrators/coaches would want to move to Singapore to play RL? Travel would be a nightmare. Singapore has no history of any interest in RL. If Melbourne has never produced a single true home grown payer, how many do you think Singapore might produce? You might pinch a player or two from RU at best. And even if it is a relative success, how does it help the game in Australia? The team would simply be a player drain. And the fact that not everybody agreed with past decisions and innovations has no bearing on the merits of this one.

I'm thinking long-term based on changing demographics and Australia's shrinking economy.

Need I remind you that Optus is owned by a Singaporean company called Singtel?

They're investing heavily in broadcast rights, at least for soccer. If we want them to get on board and take our game back from Murdoch then we have to give them something that will benefit them. They invested in us in the 90s.

We don't need Adelaide, Melbourne, Perth or Singapore to produce players. We can get them from Fiji, PNG, Samoa, Tonga and the eastern states through better development structures. What we need more than anything else is professional teams in new markets to bring money into the game, because we won't get anymore than we currently do from Brisbane and Sydney.

Singapore is hot, but it has an air conditioned indoor stadium that is world class and a capacity of 55k. If the Cowboys can survive in tropical Townsville in an open stadium, then why not a team in tropical Singapore?

PNG would be a great recruitment zone for Singapore as players are accustomed to the tropical climate.

Perth and Singapore are in the same time zone. If we want four new teams with all games played in unique time slots, we'll need at least one game to be played 9.30pm AEST on a Fri/Sat. Perth and Singapore will give us this.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Singapore...

Aside from absolutely no history of RL, an 8 hour flight from Sydney, and one of the most expensive places to live in... in an NRL competition which had bled money for decades...

It's a far-reaching idea I know, but one worth contemplating as the world is becoming more global and Australia is culturally rich and admired abroad but in fiscal decline as our SE Asian neighbours rapidly grow and look to invest in our country.

Why not give them a share of RL?

If they can make money from it they'll be interested.

Air travel will be far more advanced and cheaper in the future if it goes down the same path as every other technology.

RU is played in SE Asia and has been part of the biennial SEA Games for decades.

 

[Bring back John Fifita]

It's a far-reaching idea I know, but one worth contemplating as the world is becoming more global and Australia is culturally rich and admired abroad but in fiscal decline as our SE Asian neighbours rapidly grow and look to invest in our country.

Why not give them a share of RL?

If they can make money from it they'll be interested.

Air travel will be far more advanced and cheaper in the future if it goes down the same path as every other technology.

RU is played in SE Asia and has been part of the biennial SEA Games for decades.

I'd like to see the NRL and most/all clubs making significant, sustainable profits before thinking of going there. Something I can't see happening with 9 Sydney clubs, wanting handouts, most of which make Oliver Twist look like Richie Rich..

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

I'd like to see the NRL and most/all clubs making significant, sustainable profits before thinking of going there. Something I can't see happening with 9 Sydney clubs, wanting handouts, most of which make Oliver Twist look like Richie Rich..

Adelaide, Perth and NZ2 and 3 are definitely a priority and need to come before Singapore.

I cannot see why Sydneysiders get so upset about the prospect of two Sydney clubs relocating to Adelaide or Perth.

 

[MugaB]

Adelaide, Perth and NZ2 and 3 are definitely a priority and need to come before Singapore.

I cannot see why Sydneysiders get so upset about the prospect of two Sydney clubs relocating to Adelaide or Perth.

There's no prospect, but its a better idea than trying to start a club fresh from the ground up there, which would take years to be adequate or at least not spooners.. no point starting teams there if they aren't going to be competitive, at least we know out of the 3 bids in Brisbane, each of them would be able to beat the bronx, cows, and maybe the titans, or at least be on parr

 

[Perth Red]

There's no prospect, but its a better idea than trying to start a club fresh from the ground up there, which would take years to be adequate or at least not spooners.. no point starting teams there if they aren't going to be competitive, at least we know out of the 3 bids in Brisbane, each of them would be able to beat the bronx, cows, and maybe the titans, or at least be on parr

Realistically any of the three brisbane bids are going to sign 90% of their starting 17 from existing nrl players, the same as a perth or Adelaide team would. With a salary cap why wouldnt perth be able to do exactly the same as the new brisbane club is going to do?

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Realistically any of the three brisbane bids are going to sign 90% of their starting 17 from existing nrl players, the same as a perth or Adelaide team would. With a salary cap why wouldnt perth be able to do exactly the same as the new brisbane club is going to do?

Perth will not be much different to Brisbane. A few players might be a little hesitant to leave their home state to live on the other side of the country, but there will be plenty who will enjoy the prospect of living in a city where they're not under the radar and can walk down the street anonymously. It seems to really benefit the players who play for the Storm.

I'd like to see the Queensland NRL clubs source players from the PNG Hunters. Especially the Dolphins or Firehawks if they get in. It will increase the talent pool and allow more Papuans to enter the Hunters team so they can gain valuable experience at a higher level under the attention of NRL scouts.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

PVL says...

“If we bring in a 17th team it’s got to bring in new audience and take a casual fan and turn them onto a rusted-on rugby league fan,” he said.

“There’s no good taking fans from the Broncos or Titans or Dragons, they have got to be new fans, with new tribalism and they’ve got to reinvigorate Brisbane rugby league and that’s what we are looking at.”

That's not even possible and makes no sense. If a Dragons fan permanently relocates his family to Brisbane then it would make perfect sense to convert him and his family into diehard Brisbane 2 fans who become season ticket holders. Remaining as Dragons fans won't bring in anywhere as much revenue as they can only see them play in Brisbane 1 to 3 times a year.

 

[cumbrian Mackem]

Perth will not be much different to Brisbane. A few players might be a little hesitant to leave their home state to live on the other side of the country, but there will be plenty who will enjoy the prospect of living in a city where they're not under the radar and can walk down the street anonymously. It seems to really benefit the players who play for the Storm.

I'd like to see the Queensland NRL clubs source players from the PNG Hunters. Especially the Dolphins or Firehawks if they get in. It will increase the talent pool and allow more Papuans to enter the Hunters team so they can gain valuable experience at a higher level under the attention of NRL scouts.

The potential of PNG is crazy and even more so with the pathways being setup within the country from the local leagues supplying the digicel cup teams and in turn the digicel cup teams supplying the hunters with players.

All that is needed now is for the hunters to enter either a u18’s or u20’s team or ideally both into the Queensland competition and PNG, the NRL and RL in general is setup to reap the benefits.

 

[MugaB]

Realistically any of the three brisbane bids are going to sign 90% of their starting 17 from existing nrl players, the same as a perth or Adelaide team would. With a salary cap why wouldnt perth be able to do exactly the same as the new brisbane club is going to do?

Nope, they wont, ive said this before, they need a grassroots club to feed players 10-30 in that squad, no club would go risk busting their salary cap importing 17 NRL players from elsewhere, look at the dogs, tigers, and titans over the years, now compare it to Manly this year, or Penrith.

Whatever idea you think how an expansion club will recruit is will not going to happen,
A great example is the storm, yes two teams fell over before them coming in, but that was their base, and going to market after that only 6 of their total squad were lured away from existing clubs, not 17, they won the GF the following year.
If a start up club already has a base you use that then sprinkle top end talent to it...
What base does Perth or Adelaide have? Do two other teams need to fall over to create them?, i know you'd love that, but the NRL doesn't want to lose any brands

 

[MugaB]

The potential of PNG is crazy and even more so with the pathways being setup within the country from the local leagues supplying the digicel cup teams and in turn the digicel cup teams supplying the hunters with players.

All that is needed now is for the hunters to enter either a u18’s or u20’s team or ideally both into the Queensland competition and PNG, the NRL and RL in general is setup to reap the benefits.

Which is why i keen on whatever this future joint bid is with cairns, if it gets traction, could see a direct pathway straight from digicup to NRL, without having to get recognition by having to play elsewhere first like your Rhyse Martins, Justin Olams, David Meads, and Nene McDonalds.
More players straight from the Hunters playing for the NRL