"It’s very realistic to say that we’ll have a second team in Brisbane in 2023": V'landys

[Pippen94]

This sort of cognitive dissonance is why I think Sydney RL fans are not fit to run the game. They want Sutherland to have a team because it has 250k residents, but wouldn't entertain the idea of larger cities in SEQ having one.

The population of Logan is almost 330k and set to reach 500k over the next 20 years, but any team here will struggle like the Sharks.

There's no reason for Logan or Sutherland to have their own teams in a national competition because they will not have mass appeal across the country. Let them field teams in the state competitions.

What mass appeal do cowboys have?! Tiny population & not even part of capital TV survey. Move them to Karachi

 

[Jim Rockford]

What mass appeal do cowboys have?! Tiny population & not even part of capital TV survey. Move them to Karachi

Their identity is American, it's not even Australian. Let them go play in the League comp in the US.

 

[Hartwood]

What mass appeal do cowboys have?! Tiny population & not even part of capital TV survey. Move them to Karachi

The Cowboys are well supported across all of North, Far North and Central Queensland, combined over 1m population and for big games will draw in crowds from all these regions

 

[Pippen94]

The Cowboys are well supported across all of North, Far North and Central Queensland, combined over 1m population and for big games will draw in crowds from all these regions

North qld don't even have that many ppl. Plus ratings in metro area drives broadcasting rights. Sutherland is worth more.

 

[Hartwood]

North qld don't even have that many ppl. Plus ratings in metro area drives broadcasting rights. Sutherland is worth more.

If you combine the populations of all the regions I listed then it totals over 1mil

from 2016 census 240,190+220,912+229,031+169,688+79,700 = 939,521 factor in population growth and you've got a pretty well supported team with a large junior base.

"The Cowboys are 4th by average viewers in metro markets and 2nd in regionals"

 

[Pippen94]

If you combine the populations of all the regions I listed then it totals over 1mil

from 2016 census 240,190+220,912+229,031+169,688+79,700 = 939,521 factor in population growth and you've got a pretty well supported team with a large junior base.

"The Cowboys are 4th by average viewers in metro markets and 2nd in regionals"

Aren't tigerhawks I mean Jets going to get central qld?! Those numbers misleading. Brisbane teams draw higher ratings in Brisbane, likewise Sydney trams in Sydney. Replace them with dolphins & Brisbane ratings will increase.

 

[big hit!]

Rumour has it that there's talks of Campbelltown being upgraded to a mini BankWest style (20k capacity) or a new stadium entirely built at Liverpool to be shared between Wests and Canterbury. The Campbelltown one has the enticement of an existing ground to be built upon and the co-funding of the FFA as the Bulls would be co-tenants. I mean, that would involve the NRL giving a f**k about the Macarthur region.

Wests living up to their name. Just bouncing around the region, somewhere in that little pocket west of the CBD.

Ashfield -> Lidcombe -> Campbelltown -> MERGER -> Leichhardt -> (Concord training) -> Olympic Park -> Parramatta -> Liverpool

I don't think there's been a club in world sport who have been as nomadic as these guys

 

[Hartwood]

Aren't tigerhawks I mean Jets going to get central qld?! Those numbers misleading. Brisbane teams draw higher ratings in Brisbane, likewise Sydney trams in Sydney. Replace them with dolphins & Brisbane ratings will increase.

Not sure what point you're making, Cowboys draw big metro and regional audience despite being based out of a small city, teams like Wests and Manly do not. Are you saying we should replace the Cowboys with the Dolphins? Why not relocate the Tigers to Brisbane instead?

 

[big hit!]

We've only really got Sharks, Manly, Wests (could be fixed with a move to Bankwest permanently), Dragons and maybe panthers still playing at sub par stadiums (any coincidence they are all Sydney clubs). Any one them would do fine in Singapore or Gosford

Well, not many comps are able to carry more than 3 or 4 teams in the one metropolitan area and have stadiums for all of them. Not even Melbourne AFL clubs do it any more. Their sport has lost the tribalism of home and away.

Only London clubs in EPL and EFL system off the top of my head are able to pull it off and own them. But the can play anywhere from 25 to 40 games at home in a season depending on their comps. Not much incentive to have shiny venues here for 6-12 games a year.

 

[Pippen94]

Well, not many comps are able to carry more than 3 or 4 teams in the one metropolitan area and have stadiums for all of them. Not even Melbourne AFL clubs do it any more. Their sport has lost the tribalism of home and away.

Only London clubs in EPL and EFL system off the top of my head are able to pull it off and own them. But the can play anywhere from 25 to 40 games at home in a season depending on their comps. Not much incentive to have shiny venues here for 6-12 games a year.

There's lots of football leagues throughout world. Tokyo, Buenos Aires, Rio, Athens, London, even New York is having two new soccer stadiums built!!

Situation in Melbourne is actually most unique.

 

[Perth Red]

There's lots of football leagues throughout world. Tokyo, Buenos Aires, Rio, Athens, London, even New York is having two new soccer stadiums built!!

Situation in Melbourne is actually most unique.

not many cities with more than a couple of rectangular stadiums over 20k capacity though. Sydneys geography and mindset is an impediment for sure. Cant/wont have centralised stadiums, cant afford 8 modern stadiums. What to do? The fact Bulldogs and Tigers aren't FT tenants at Bankwest shows how dumb it is.

 

[Pippen94]

not many cities with more than a couple of rectangular stadiums over 20k capacity though. Sydneys geography and mindset is an impediment for sure. Cant/wont have centralised stadiums, cant afford 8 modern stadiums. What to do? The fact Bulldogs and Tigers aren't FT tenants at Bankwest shows how dumb it is.

Yes they fn do. Go look at the cities I mentioned. Melbourne is weird. Drop afl city mentality & learn something about the rest of the world.

 

[Pippen94]

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[Perth Red]

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Sure if you got massive cities there are a handful, London (14 mill) 11 stadiums , Bueno Aires 10 stadiums (16mill), Sau Paulo 6 stadiums (20mill). But given Sydney is much much smaller the idea of having 8 or 9 20k plus modern stadia seems ambitious.

Plenty that dont eg Rio (13mill people) 3 stadiums

 

[Pippen94]

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Sure if you got massive cities there are a handful, London (14 mill) 11 stadiums , Bueno Aires 10 stadiums (16mill), Sau Paulo 6 stadiums (20mill). But given Sydney is much much smaller the idea of having 8 or 9 20k plus modern stadia seems ambitious.

Plenty that dont eg Rio (13mill people) 3 stadiums

There's only 3 truly 20k stadiums in Sydney so ur cherry picking. Lots of cities have same number of same sized venues or more. You just live in world's most isolated city & don't no much about world

 

[Pippen94]

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Sure if you got massive cities there are a handful, London (14 mill) 11 stadiums , Bueno Aires 10 stadiums (16mill), Sau Paulo 6 stadiums (20mill). But given Sydney is much much smaller the idea of having 8 or 9 20k plus modern stadia seems ambitious.

Plenty that dont eg Rio (13mill people) 3 stadiums

There's far more than 3 football stadiums in Rio. You might be confusing locations within Rio as separate towns

 

[Perth Red]

There's only 3 truly 20k stadiums in Sydney so ur cherry picking. Lots of cities have same number of same sized venues or more. You just live in world's most isolated city & don't no much about world

haha yeh its not like I've travelled it!

yes there is ,but the argument seems to be every club, or at least most, needs there own so thats going to be at least 7 stadiums for a city of 5 million. Not sure there is anywhere close to that sort of ratio.

ps despite Perth's claims Honolulu is geographicaly the most isolated major city in the world

 

[Jim Rockford]

ps despite Perth's claims Honolulu is geographicaly the most isolated major city in the world

You should let Perth be known for something other than just a city that's home to losers like you.

 

[Pippen94]

haha yeh its not like I've travelled it!

yes there is ,but the argument seems to be every club, or at least most, needs there own so thats going to be at least 7 stadiums for a city of 5 million. Not sure there is anywhere close to that sort of ratio.

ps despite Perth's claims Honolulu is geographicaly the most isolated major city in the world

haha yeh its not like I've travelled it!

yes there is ,but the argument seems to be every club, or at least most, needs there own so thats going to be at least 7 stadiums for a city of 5 million. Not sure there is anywhere close to that sort of ratio.

ps despite Perth's claims Honolulu is geographicaly the most isolated major city in the world

5.5 million ppl in Sydney & 3 20k rectangular stadiums (homebush a stretch). With rate of growth by time there are 6 population may be double.

Hutt river doesn't count as international travel

 

[Hartwood]

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After years of speculation over a second Brisbane team in the NRL, the league has finally formally pitched a 17-team competition to broadcast partner Foxtel.
ARL Commission boss Peter V’landys confirmed he took to Foxtel executives on Thursday a competition with a second Brisbane team from 2023 or 2024 – the NRL’s first moves to expand since the Gold Coast Titans entered the competition in 2007.

The negotiations for a 17th team have so far been the most delicate V’landys has confronted since taking the reins at the ARLC two years ago, with strong concerns about the expansion plan among some of the code’s existing 16 clubs.



Peter V'landys is convinced a second Brisbane team will work.
V’landys, however, is understood to be convinced a second Brisbane team would grow the game in southeast Queensland – and that was a key part of his pitch to Foxtel.

The three bidders for the new licence – the Firehawks, Jets and Dolphins – delivered their formal presentations to the NRL’s Expansion Assessment Committee last Monday week.

The ARLC is understood to be meeting next week to discuss the merits of each bid, with V’landys keen to make a final decision on expansion within a fortnight ahead of a final Commission decision by the end of the month.

But V’landys last Sunday said expansion couldn’t go ahead without the support of broadcasters Foxtel and free-to-air partner Nine, regardless of the quality of the bid.

“The broadcasters are supportive,” V’landys said at the time.




“We are finally making traction with the broadcasters and getting a final figure from them is important.

“That’s why Fox is critical in this because where the broadcasters will win out is by us bringing in a new audience.”

He said the key would be to attract a new audience that would subscribe to Foxtel or its sports streaming platform Kayo to watch the games.

“That’s where the broadcasters will make their money,” he said.


“A team that has tribalism will get you extra subscribers. Can you imagine a Brisbane derby ... the tribalism and rivalry will bring additional subscribers and that’s where the broadcaster can win.

“That’s what we have stressed to the bidders. You can’t migrate an audience that usually supports the Broncos or the Titans, they have to bring in a new tribe.”

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Firehawks bid chief Shane Richardson said V’landys’ ability to strike the right broadcasting deal with Fox would be a critical factor in whether Brisbane will have a second team.

“Fox have to be shown why it is valuable to them, and I would feel the same way if I was running a business,’’ he said.