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"It’s very realistic to say that we’ll have a second team in Brisbane in 2023": V'landys

tri_colours

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Doubt it, if it has any value to fta to add yet another heartland team then they’ll want both brisbane clubs on fta as much as possible. Strap in for brisbane B’s and brisbane 2 on fta Thursday and Friday evenings!
Having more metro games on TV is hardly a bad thing!
 

Perth Red

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Having more metro games on TV is hardly a bad thing!
Never said it was, though boredom and unfairness could be argued when it’s the same clubs every week. was replying to the idea that we would just get a brisbane club on every Friday, reality is if fta are going to stump up to pay for it then they’ll want them both on as often as possible,
 

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And on that I often wonde r if part of broncos problem in filling Suncorp is that they have to play in family unfriendly time slots most home games?
If we saddle the new club the same they’re going to struggle to build their fanbase, especially if it’s a far flung supporter base like Redcliffe.
 

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And on that I often wonde r if part of broncos problem in filling Suncorp is that they have to play in family unfriendly time slots most home games?
If we saddle the new club the same they’re going to struggle to build their fanbase, especially if it’s a far flung supporter base like Redcliffe.

Their crowds definitely get a boost on Sunday afternoon, usually gets closer to 40k rather than 25-30k. That was when they were making finals though...
 

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Never said it was, though boredom and unfairness could be argued when it’s the same clubs every week. was replying to the idea that we would just get a brisbane club on every Friday, reality is if fta are going to stump up to pay for it then they’ll want them both on as often as possible,

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Jamberoo

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be interesting to know what price Vlandys has in mind for fox and fta for another brisbane club.
Afl created two clubs no-one wanted that would generate hardly any new viewers in the short term and allegedly got $52mill a year for the extra game. Let’s see what a new club but little extra content and a few extra brisbane viewers is worth.
the clubs report clearly shows the Moreton Bay Area has the largest % of broncos fans. I wonder if Vlandys given comments about not cannabilising current support has seen it?
Content will increase by 12 games.
 
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The current system works something like this, if I am viewing it correctly.

16 clubs. Each club has 15 opponents and play 24 games, with 12 at home.

A club plays 9 other clubs twice over 18 rounds, and the other 6 once.

With 17 clubs in the competition, they will have to change the schedule.

17 clubs means each team has 16 opponents. If they stick with each club plays 9 others twice and the rest once then that equates to 25 games.

Maybe add a neutral venue round into a 25 game season where all 8 games are played in the country?

That would create a 12 home + 12 away + 1 neutral to give us a 25 game season for each team.

Maybe scrap Magic Round?

No need for it with 2 teams in Brisbane.
 
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Jamberoo

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like I Said little extra content, with a longer season and byes which no one really wants.
12 games is the equivalent of an extra one and a half rounds, and half as much content as two new teams provides - should generate half the potential income. One week longer and two byes instead of one, which is exactly what we had until 2017. One benefit is you get the extra games without adding a 9th (graveyard) timeslot which nobody really wants.
 

Jamberoo

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The current system works something like this, if I am viewing it correctly.

16 clubs. Each club has 15 opponents and play 24 games, with 12 at home.

A club plays 9 other clubs twice over 18 rounds, and the other 6 once.

With 17 clubs in the competition, they will have to change the schedule.

17 clubs means each team has 16 opponents. If they stick with each club plays 9 others twice and the rest once then that equates to 25 games.

Maybe add a neutral venue round into a 25 game season where all 8 games are played in the country?

That would create a 12 home + 12 away + 1 neutral to give us a 25 game season for each team.

Maybe scrap Magic Round?

No need for it with 2 teams in Brisbane.
The4re must be an even number of rounds to accommodate byes. Most rounds will have one bye, some will have three. Each team still plays 24 games, just over 26 weeks.
 

Jamberoo

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The current system works something like this, if I am viewing it correctly.

16 clubs. Each club has 15 opponents and play 24 games, with 12 at home.

A club plays 9 other clubs twice over 18 rounds, and the other 6 once.

With 17 clubs in the competition, they will have to change the schedule.

17 clubs means each team has 16 opponents. If they stick with each club plays 9 others twice and the rest once then that equates to 25 games.

Maybe add a neutral venue round into a 25 game season where all 8 games are played in the country?

That would create a 12 home + 12 away + 1 neutral to give us a 25 game season for each team.

Maybe scrap Magic Round?

No need for it with 2 teams in Brisbane.
No, there must be an even number of rounds to ensure an equal number of byes, Each club still plays 24 games, just over 26 weeks. There needs to be 34 byes, so 22 rounds would have one bye, and four would have three byes (you would have those rounds around Origin time).
 
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The4re must be an even number of rounds to accommodate byes. Most rounds will have one bye, some will have three. Each team still plays 24 games, just over 26 weeks.
All teams have to play each other at least once and there will be a bye every round. A 17 team competition creates 16 opponents for each team.

What about this?

8 x 2 = 16
8 x 1 = 8

So teams can play 8 teams twice and the other 8 once. 24 games for each team.

How many rounds would have more than 1 bye?
 

Perth Red

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The current system works something like this, if I am viewing it correctly.

16 clubs. Each club has 15 opponents and play 24 games, with 12 at home.

A club plays 9 other clubs twice over 18 rounds, and the other 6 once.

With 17 clubs in the competition, they will have to change the schedule.

17 clubs means each team has 16 opponents. If they stick with each club plays 9 others twice and the rest once then that equates to 25 games.

Maybe add a neutral venue round into a 25 game season where all 8 games are played in the country?

That would create a 12 home + 12 away + 1 neutral to give us a 25 game season for each team.

Maybe scrap Magic Round?

No need for it with 2 teams in Brisbane.
Magic round is all about revenue for the nrl.
 

Perth Red

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12 games is the equivalent of an extra one and a half rounds, and half as much content as two new teams provides - should generate half the potential income. One week longer and two byes instead of one, which is exactly what we had until 2017. One benefit is you get the extra games without adding a 9th (graveyard) timeslot which nobody really wants.
I’d have Sundays 2pm, 4pm and 6pm. No graveyard there.
eventually the game will go to full streaming and we won’t feel the need for every game live, that will make going to ten games a weekend easier and mean more games in fan friendly attendance spots.
 

Perth Red

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The ARL Commission is facing another expansion flashpoint after it emerged that existing clubs could be owed a loyalty bonus worth up to $24 million.
The Weekend Australian has seen the deed of agreement that was struck between club powerbrokers and head office five years ago outlining the future funding arrangements for the 16 teams.

The deed includes a clause referring to club funding after October 31 next year when the existing broadcast deal comes to an end.
It refers to a participation top-up payment of $1.5m for each club, meaning the commission may be forced to outlay $24m to honour its side of the deal on November 1 next year.

The agreement was struck before ARL Commission chair Peter V’landys had even joined the commission and well before chief executive Andrew Abdo had taken the reins of the NRL.

Abdo on Friday said he was aware of the clause and insisted that club funding had increased
significantly above the initial agreement between the NRL and clubs. He also said the clause had been superseded in later talks which covered funding until the end of the 2022 season.

However, the clubs believe the $1.5 million falls outside that time frame given it is due to be paid on November 1 – the start of the new rugby league financial year. It is understood the clubs have discussed the agreement among themselves will broach the issue with head office, giving the game a serious financial headache as a decision on expansion looms.
Money is at the heart of the debate over expansion. Not only do the existing clubs have no desire to prop up a new team, but many believe they should be given an incentive for allowing an extra team to become a member of the commission.

The 2016 agreement with the clubs also has implications for expansion in terms of the potential for unequal funding and the impact on existing club finances.

The deed stipulates that clubs will all receive the same funding, meaning any new side will be forced to fend for itself without any preferential treatment.

There is also a clause related to an expanded club competition. The clause is clear that funding of existing clubs must not be affected by the addition of a new side.

“It is intended that the club funding model set out in this MOU, which is based on a 16-team competition, will be preserved even if there is an expansion in the number of clubs in the NRL competition,” the document says.

As revealed by News Corp, V’landys held top-level discussions with broadcast partner Foxtel on Thursday as the NRL unveiled its plans for an expanded competition from as early as 2023.

The NRL financial year runs from November 1, meaning the new side would be expected to be included as part of the funding arrangement from that date next year – the same day the existing clubs expected a bonus $1.5m to lob in their bank accounts.
In consideration of this undertaking, where the addition of a club(s) would result in an improvement to the level of the participation payment (as compared to the previous year), such improvement shall be retained for reinvestment in the game as determined by the ARLC.”

The commission is expected to hold further talks over the issue of expansion next week before making a final decision at some point this month.

The Dolphins are the raging favourites to become the 17th team, although the Brisbane Firehawks and Jets are fighting to convince the commission of the merits of their respective bids.

Brisbane head of football Ben Ikin is among those who can see the Dolphins working should they enter the NRL.

“They have a very rich history, great financial strength, so beyond that with the infrastructure they have been able to pull together, some of what is already available inside the current set-up at Redcliffe, a lot of NRL clubs would be envious of,” Ikin said.

“They tick multiple boxes. But I haven’t seen their bid. I’m only looking on from a distance because to be fair the Firehawks are in a similar boat.

“Very financial, great cashflow, good infrastructure at Easts Brisbane, so it feels like it will be a fairly tight-fought race.”

 

Pippen94

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The ARL Commission is facing another expansion flashpoint after it emerged that existing clubs could be owed a loyalty bonus worth up to $24 million.
The Weekend Australian has seen the deed of agreement that was struck between club powerbrokers and head office five years ago outlining the future funding arrangements for the 16 teams.

The deed includes a clause referring to club funding after October 31 next year when the existing broadcast deal comes to an end.
It refers to a participation top-up payment of $1.5m for each club, meaning the commission may be forced to outlay $24m to honour its side of the deal on November 1 next year.

The agreement was struck before ARL Commission chair Peter V’landys had even joined the commission and well before chief executive Andrew Abdo had taken the reins of the NRL.

Abdo on Friday said he was aware of the clause and insisted that club funding had increased
significantly above the initial agreement between the NRL and clubs. He also said the clause had been superseded in later talks which covered funding until the end of the 2022 season.

However, the clubs believe the $1.5 million falls outside that time frame given it is due to be paid on November 1 – the start of the new rugby league financial year. It is understood the clubs have discussed the agreement among themselves will broach the issue with head office, giving the game a serious financial headache as a decision on expansion looms.
Money is at the heart of the debate over expansion. Not only do the existing clubs have no desire to prop up a new team, but many believe they should be given an incentive for allowing an extra team to become a member of the commission.

The 2016 agreement with the clubs also has implications for expansion in terms of the potential for unequal funding and the impact on existing club finances.

The deed stipulates that clubs will all receive the same funding, meaning any new side will be forced to fend for itself without any preferential treatment.

There is also a clause related to an expanded club competition. The clause is clear that funding of existing clubs must not be affected by the addition of a new side.

“It is intended that the club funding model set out in this MOU, which is based on a 16-team competition, will be preserved even if there is an expansion in the number of clubs in the NRL competition,” the document says.

As revealed by News Corp, V’landys held top-level discussions with broadcast partner Foxtel on Thursday as the NRL unveiled its plans for an expanded competition from as early as 2023.

The NRL financial year runs from November 1, meaning the new side would be expected to be included as part of the funding arrangement from that date next year – the same day the existing clubs expected a bonus $1.5m to lob in their bank accounts.
In consideration of this undertaking, where the addition of a club(s) would result in an improvement to the level of the participation payment (as compared to the previous year), such improvement shall be retained for reinvestment in the game as determined by the ARLC.”

The commission is expected to hold further talks over the issue of expansion next week before making a final decision at some point this month.

The Dolphins are the raging favourites to become the 17th team, although the Brisbane Firehawks and Jets are fighting to convince the commission of the merits of their respective bids.

Brisbane head of football Ben Ikin is among those who can see the Dolphins working should they enter the NRL.

“They have a very rich history, great financial strength, so beyond that with the infrastructure they have been able to pull together, some of what is already available inside the current set-up at Redcliffe, a lot of NRL clubs would be envious of,” Ikin said.

“They tick multiple boxes. But I haven’t seen their bid. I’m only looking on from a distance because to be fair the Firehawks are in a similar boat.

“Very financial, great cashflow, good infrastructure at Easts Brisbane, so it feels like it will be a fairly tight-fought race.”


It's going to happen & it's going to be dolphins. Just clickbait
 

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