Ivan giving young talent a go

[Tiger Ted]

No good mate. Nsw cup level at absolute best. Plus our hooking role is covered atm

I'm really hoping Tatola or Eisenhuth get a run with Woods out, I couldn't handle Edwards coming in for him

Vic what about Wesley LoLo have u seen him play this yr coz a yr ago I thought he'd eventually force his way into the top 17.

 

[benched tiger]

Vic what about Wesley LoLo have u seen him play this yr coz a yr ago I thought he'd eventually force his way into the top 17.

Unless I'm mistaken i think you will find LoLo was released mid season last year to the Dogs.

 

[Old Time Tiger]

benched tiger, Wesley is a Tiger, this weekends reserve grade pack is:

8 Darcy COX
9 Jeremy MARSHALL-KING
10 Wesley LOLO
11 Jackson WILLIAMS 12 Joel EDWARDS
13 (c) Matthew EISENHUTH

 

[Tiger Ted]

benched tiger, Wesley is a Tiger, this weekends reserve grade pack is:

8 Darcy COX
9 Jeremy MARSHALL-KING
10 Wesley LOLO
11 Jackson WILLIAMS 12 Joel EDWARDS
13 (c) Matthew EISENHUTH

I haven't watched any state cup this yr & thought he had some ability to make it in the NRL when I watched him last season.

 

[The Charlatan]

Unless I'm mistaken i think you will find LoLo was released mid season last year to the Dogs.

You're not thinking of Lamar Lliovave?

 

[benched tiger]

Yep probably am,my mistake.

 

[Vic Mackey]

Vic what about Wesley LoLo have u seen him play this yr coz a yr ago I thought he'd eventually force his way into the top 17.

Admittedly I haven't seen anywhere near as much nsw cup this year as I did last year but Lolo never looked likely to me. Few handling errors and small motor. I always had him fourth in line behind Felisse, Tatola, J.Grant

Otherwise good to see Eisenhuth get a run. Big boy who has a decent offload and can play prop, edge or lock. Hope he goes well.

 

[umina panther]

Ivan wasn't great backing youth for us but one he did pick who most didn't was Yeo. Still getting better every game, approaching rep level

 

[leaguelegend21]

Ivan wasn't great backing youth for us but one he did pick who most didn't was Yeo. Still getting better every game, approaching rep level

I've heard the same from Panthers fans about Ivan being hesitant about blooding youth but I can't help but disagree. Big names he blooded during his tenure include Mansour, Moylan, DWZ, Yeo, Carty etc. Interested in your thoughts.

 

[simmo1]

You're not thinking of Lamar Lliovave?

Asipeli Fine, I think.

 

[Vic Mackey]

Ivan wasn't great backing youth for us but one he did pick who most didn't was Yeo. Still getting better every game, approaching rep level

According to panthers fans that's every panthers player over the past 3 years

 

[umina panther]

I've heard the same from Panthers fans about Ivan being hesitant about blooding youth but I can't help but disagree. Big names he blooded during his tenure include Mansour, Moylan, DWZ, Yeo, Carty etc. Interested in your thoughts.

Ivan and Gus didn't rate Moylan and even told him to look elsewhere before he debuted.

 

[BrotherJim05]

I'm all for giving the young guns a run but once we have the first grade team together they will have to earn their stripes in reserve grade. I hope we have well and truly learnt our lesson. Would love to see players like Marsters, Felise be eased into FG rather than given the reigns and told to perform or everything will fall apart

 

[Tiger05]

Jim - I also would like to see our juniors kill it in reserve grade prior to being promoted. I wouldn't ease them in rather than let them prove themselves in reserve grade first.

 

[Clifferd]

Tedesco will most likely end up being our best junior ever

Why bother developing them if we just end up losing them

 

[WT Unity]

Tedesco will most likely end up being our best junior ever

Why bother developing them if we just end up losing them

Reminds me of a business presentation that was given whilst at a conference years ago...

The subject was staff training - Someone asked the following question
Q) "Why bother training your staff as once they get good at the job they just move elsewhere anyway?
The presenters answer was
A) Well what about if you don't train them and they stay!

It reminds me of the current (equally frustrating) situation surrounding developing juniors...If you don't develop them you end up with duds....but if you do spend time and money and they get poached then what was the point. WT thru their Balmain, Wests & MacArthur junior development programs develop young talent only to see them go to powerful clubs with no junior development and get nothing in return.

Melbourne and The Roosters are prime examples of clubs that have worked out that it is cheaper to NOT put funding into junior development, save the buck$ and pick off the star juniors, the cream of the crop, when they are ready. You see WT, Canberra, Penrith etc produce good young players in all positions...that's 15 - 20 each and every year....but Melbourne come along and say Billy's getting injured a lot and he's close to retirement, so they go and buy the best young FB around...a junior rep fullback that another club developed. They should have to pay WT something in return. At the very least the game should look at options along the lines of an external draft (an internal draft featuring current NRL contracted players won't ever happen) But...a draft for U/20 players that are coming from that comp into the NRL that are choosing to leave the club they played U/20's at should go into a draft whereby the 1st pick goes to the team that finished last, then 2nd last and so on and so on would have two effects;
1) Young Guns might be more inclined to stay at the club that developed them because getting to the Roosters or Melboune in recent years would be difficult because they finish high up the ladder...and..
2) And if they do leave (current example - a young Dragons halfback might choose to leave because they have Hunt and Widdop signed to long term deals) they will end up at Newcastle, or Tigers or Souths etc etc and it would change from year to year.

Sorry it's a bit long but I think it makes good sense and is do-able! Problem is the powerful clubs that run the game won't let it happen and the NRL commission and seniior executive don't have the balls to stand up to them!

 

[Clifferd]

Reminds me of a business presentation that was given whilst at a conference years ago...

The subject was staff training - Someone asked the following question
Q) "Why bother training your staff as once they get good at the job they just move elsewhere anyway?
The presenters answer was
A) Well what about if you don't train them and they stay!

It reminds me of the current (equally frustrating) situation surrounding developing juniors...If you don't develop them you end up with duds....but if you do spend time and money and they get poached then what was the point. WT thru their Balmain, Wests & MacArthur junior development programs develop young talent only to see them go to powerful clubs with no junior development and get nothing in return.

Melbourne and The Roosters are prime examples of clubs that have worked out that it is cheaper to NOT put funding into junior development, save the buck$ and pick off the star juniors, the cream of the crop, when they are ready. You see WT, Canberra, Penrith etc produce good young players in all positions...that's 15 - 20 each and every year....but Melbourne come along and say Billy's getting injured a lot and he's close to retirement, so they go and buy the best young FB around...a junior rep fullback that another club developed. They should have to pay WT something in return. At the very least the game should look at options along the lines of an external draft (an internal draft featuring current NRL contracted players won't ever happen) But...a draft for U/20 players that are coming from that comp into the NRL that are choosing to leave the club they played U/20's at should go into a draft whereby the 1st pick goes to the team that finished last, then 2nd last and so on and so on would have two effects;
1) Young Guns might be more inclined to stay at the club that developed them because getting to the Roosters or Melboune in recent years would be difficult because they finish high up the ladder...and..
2) And if they do leave (current example - a young Dragons halfback might choose to leave because they have Hunt and Widdop signed to long term deals) they will end up at Newcastle, or Tigers or Souths etc etc and it would change from year to year.

Sorry it's a bit long but I think it makes good sense and is do-able! Problem is the powerful clubs that run the game won't let it happen and the NRL commission and seniior executive don't have the balls to stand up to them!

Very good read. Honestly I'm gonna go out on a limb and say we have the strongest junior nursery in the comp (Penrith probably a close second) and if the nrl was based off teams having just locals in their team we would probably be up there (as evidently shown with Fifita and Tedesco) almost every year.

Whilst teams like Melbourne (would they even have a team?) Roosters efc would most likely flail down the bottom. It's time we give up the junior developement and follow the Roosters, dogs, Brisbane suite imo which seems like we are doing as of now

 

[Tiger Ted]

Reminds me of a business presentation that was given whilst at a conference years ago...

The subject was staff training - Someone asked the following question
Q) "Why bother training your staff as once they get good at the job they just move elsewhere anyway?
The presenters answer was
A) Well what about if you don't train them and they stay!

It reminds me of the current (equally frustrating) situation surrounding developing juniors...If you don't develop them you end up with duds....but if you do spend time and money and they get poached then what was the point. WT thru their Balmain, Wests & MacArthur junior development programs develop young talent only to see them go to powerful clubs with no junior development and get nothing in return.

Melbourne and The Roosters are prime examples of clubs that have worked out that it is cheaper to NOT put funding into junior development, save the buck$ and pick off the star juniors, the cream of the crop, when they are ready. You see WT, Canberra, Penrith etc produce good young players in all positions...that's 15 - 20 each and every year....but Melbourne come along and say Billy's getting injured a lot and he's close to retirement, so they go and buy the best young FB around...a junior rep fullback that another club developed. They should have to pay WT something in return. At the very least the game should look at options along the lines of an external draft (an internal draft featuring current NRL contracted players won't ever happen) But...a draft for U/20 players that are coming from that comp into the NRL that are choosing to leave the club they played U/20's at should go into a draft whereby the 1st pick goes to the team that finished last, then 2nd last and so on and so on would have two effects;
1) Young Guns might be more inclined to stay at the club that developed them because getting to the Roosters or Melboune in recent years would be difficult because they finish high up the ladder...and..
2) And if they do leave (current example - a young Dragons halfback might choose to leave because they have Hunt and Widdop signed to long term deals) they will end up at Newcastle, or Tigers or Souths etc etc and it would change from year to year.

Sorry it's a bit long but I think it makes good sense and is do-able! Problem is the powerful clubs that run the game won't let it happen and the NRL commission and seniior executive don't have the balls to stand up to them!

U make extremely significant & valid points.The last paragraph sums up the deplorable predicament this code is in thanks to spineless inept administrators pandering to those with enormous clout like Politis & Dib !

Let's face it this is an amateurish run code with a thin pool of talent particularly as the administrators r dwarfed by the AFL when it comes to shrewdly investing in the growth of there respective businesses (ie country footy & junior dev) & making necessary initiatives to ensure its a level playing field for everyone(eg auditing & limiting TPA's & introducing a Draft).

 

[Tiger05]

I think a draft for all players is required and it would make a massive difference to the cap dramas. If player A is offered $800k then he goes into the draft at $800k. He doesn't get to make the choice of where to play and earn $800k and he is on the books at $800k.

That allows players to leave for more cap money but not money under the table.

 

[Old Time Tiger]

The NRL management (past and present) won't admit it naturally, but they are to blame for the state of the game.

It's been said many times but they need to go back to the future.

Bring back the reserve grade, not state based comps that are reserve, then perhaps a state based U23's so the game doesn't lose plenty of guys each year who simply drop out because they do not get graded once they turn 21.

Allows the really good one's to go straight to grade,
Next best to reserves so they can still develop with older guys.
Next lot who want to keep playing to the U23's - these guys might take a couple of years more to develop.

But it won't happen.