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Ivan Henjak is not the answer - he must be sacked

lzd

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Good to see there are few people pointing the finger at the clubs ceo but quite frankly i'm surprised there aren't more. Looking in hindsight at the string of mistakes the broncos have made leading up to this year, which include (i'm sure there are others worth mentioning and equally that are yet to come to light).

1) the petero civinoceva debacle. promised a rewarding contract in the twilight of his career after blokes like webcke and co had moved on and freed up some funds. who knows where this all broke down but ultimately its upper management who sign off on the contracts and there can be no questioning the fact that a lack of leadership and senior players at the club is a big reason why the broncos have gone off the rails. perhaps explains why the club went to tonie carroll to boost its forward stocks.

2) the flimsy attempts to cover up player misbehaviour last year involving karmichael hunt, peter wallace, darius boyd, darren lockyer and co. i'm sure these guys got advice from somewhere before speaking out and strongly denying events which in some cases they then had to later admit to. and i'm equally sure wayne bennett wasn't the guy giving the advice.

3) 500,000 being paid for a winger - a damn good winger mind you, but a winger no less. how many of ennis, stagg, hannant and co. could have been kept with that cash still lying around? again who's making that decision?

4) the latest move and most critically for mine, is the disgraceful revelations about bruno cullen's handling of the latest raft of player misbehaviour. according to newspaper reports, cullen was advised that 2 broncos players (revealed to be justin hodges and karmichael hunt) were at the center of the maroons poor preparations for origin III. breaking team curfew, alleged involvement in home made drugs amongst other things that probably can't be mentioned yet. cullen's response - "i don't want to know who they are or what they did, they were on qrl duty so the qrl should handle this". is he serious? I always thought that when cullen's stock standard response to any suggestion of bronco wrongdoing, whether it be salary cap problems, unauthorised player payments, player misbehaviour or whatever, has always been "this is the first i've heard of it" it was an indication that he is either a) stupid or b) thinks the rest of the world is. now we see the true method in his madness. cover your eyes, ears and mouth like the three daft monkeys. what he doesn't know isn't his problem. great leadership shown there. on the strenght of this alone, bruno cullen has been revealed to be a complete muppet and must surely be shown the door by the clubs major stakeholders.

now we hear this morning that a high profile bronco has a major drug problem, similar to andrew johns. moreover, it is apparently general knowledge amongst the broncos that this is going on, but has been kept in house to avoid further derailing the club. i'm sure this is something else cullen will claim to know nothing about. in fact, his reponse has been that the broncos drug test far more than the required nrl minimum and this guy has always been clean. so either the broncos testing system is rubbish or the its being tampered with in some way. either way, more poor management and equally poor duty of care being shown towards your employees mr ceo. if you were in any other business you'd be shown the door a long time ago.

i've had enough of bruno cullen for quite some time now and it would be more than appropriate to see cullen exit the game in the same year as another twit ceo, dennis fitzgerald. for too long we have had to listen to this idiot bang on about how the broncos are holier than thou, hold themselves to higher standards than everyone else in the competition (surely no one really believes this?) and spits the dummy that the broncos are getting a raw deal from sydney whenever they don't get their own way, with the qld media always at the ready to jump on the bandwagon and give him all the support he needs.

if i didn't know better i'd think those blaming henjack for the broncos weak efforts are the same ones who point the finger at journalists who have unveiled all the problems at the sharks as if the journos are the ones who forced the sharks player and management to act the way they have.

the lynch mob should give ivan henjack a break and point the finger for the clubs problems squarely at the players who think its ok to turn in half-baked efforts in as part of their careers and livelihoods and the management team who put this rabble on the park in the first place.
 

Mr Saab

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The Broncos need a Todd Greenberg type CEO....he cleaned that club up quick smart.
 

renouf

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The stats speak for themselves that we're a boring and one dimensional team. These issues didn't just spring up overnight.

There isn't that much wrong with our play, it's just that we rely on players like Hodges for every piece of brillance.

I can't understand why we don't offload the ball more often, Canberra did it on just about every tackle and it killed us.

The coach should be working on these things, stuff like getting 3 men in the tackle wherever possible is extremely important, we don't seem to have any tactics at slowing the opposition team down. Teams like St.George base their whole game around slowing down the play the ball.

Henjak should never have picked Hunt at halfback, he should have known that in all the past seasons he has NEVER played well at half.
 
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lzd

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damn straight he did. and its no coincidence that the clubs who bought up most of his rejects - cronulla and the roosters - are struggling big time.

if the dragons win this years premiership, give the kudos to wayne bennett who transformed the mentality of a team which has always had the troops but never put runs on the board. if the bulldogs win, equally big kudos to a ceo who has dealt out some pretty solid lessons this year in how some other clubs might want to think about running their operations (they could learn a thing or two from michael searle as well).
 

Pierced Soul

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'C'mon ... this argument would be laughed at by many fans from other clubs. Calling our run in the last several years as "limiting success" (sic) is pushing the boundaries..

success has been limited. look at the roster available, the support staff/coach and look at how meekly the teams been bundled out of the finals for several years (yes last year was tough and we won in 06 but look at all the other years). the thing is the limited game plan has worked against weaker teams at the beginning of the season but by the end of the year when all the other teams are hitting their peak we've been on the skids. how many years in a row did we have a end of year slump and limped into the finals?

how can a team with a backline which in the past two years contained players like Hunt, Boyd, Michaels, Hodges, Lockyer, Wallace, Folau struggle to score points? why ahvent the broncos been able to put sides away like other teams when they get ahead?

ANY coach will struggle to follow a 21 year foundation coach ... ANY coach.

i agree with this statement, i still think that any coach who followed bennett had to come from outside the system, for the same way we saw the roosters and dragons ultimately fail with Fittler and Brown. the dragons are another example of having a good roster but not achieving anywhere near what they should have in the time brown was there
 

salivor

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I've seen teams change from boring to exciting football from one week to the next ... Broncos included. It only needs a few words from the coach, for example, "OK guys, let's offload and look for some second phase play."

No, this is about attitude and something far deeper than game plans and method of attack - although I agree with your point to some extent.

If defence is about individual attitude, attack is about team dynamics - trust between players, and wanting each other to succeed.

Its obvious that the Broncos have neither the right attitude, and very limited trust between the players at the moment.

In terms of coming out of our own half, I agree that's easily fixed. My beef is why the message isn't getting to the players to use some ball movement and creativity coming out of our own half. We've got defensive issues but that's not being helped by our inability to secure even equal footing in terms of field position. Dummy half running and one out clearly isn't working but it seems so ingrained in the players and culture of the club.

I think when you look closer it goes a lot deeper than just attitude. In the last 5-6 years the ONLY set play we have come up with is the second man play between Lockyer and Hunt. Our decoys and movement off the ball also just aren't up to scratch with what a lot of the more intelligently coached sides out there are offering up.

At the end of the day I still feel Henjak has the goods it's just a very hard task to move out of Bennett's shadow and also gain the respect and commitment of the playing group. What I wouldn't mind seeing though is us bringing in someone from outside the Broncos set up to be Ivan's assistant next year. Preferably an ex NRL head coach similar to John Long coming in to help a young coach in Jason Taylor.

The outside of the Broncos set up is the key part for mine as we have a habit of bringing in ex Broncos or those that have been involved in the club for coaching positions. Bringing in someone with fresh ideas combined with Henjak who has been involved with the club and Bennett for over a decade could be the remedy for both Henjak and the club going forward IMO.
 

lzd

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I think when you look closer it goes a lot deeper than just attitude. In the last 5-6 years the ONLY set play we have come up with is the second man play between Lockyer and Hunt. Our decoys and movement off the ball also just aren't up to scratch with what a lot of the more intelligently coached sides out there are offering up.

Right there i think you have unearthed the reason that the broncos have struggled to find a decent halfback since alfy langer. For sometime, the broncos playbook has read

1] halfback catch and pass to d.lockyer, second man play for hunt.

[end of document]

not exactly a system which lends itself to a creative new halfback establishing himself at a new club, and no coincidence that peter wallace really came on at a time when lockyer has been less than 100% and is taking more of a withdrawn role as he enters the twilight of his career.
 

Pistol

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Henjack has been given the coach's curse of the clubs hierarchy saying his job is safe. Only problem is if we want a coach with experience to come to the club and take over if he does get the punt, who'd it be?

Steve Folkes? John Lang? Every other coach worth a grain of salt is tied up to other clubs. We made a play for Bellamy but he chose to stay in Melbourne. Who else is out there that would be worth bringing to the club if Henjack is shown the door?
 

Dazzat

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I don't think we can discount the affect of Webke's departure as well. Our forwards were holding their own at the start of the season when he was their coach/mentor. Now they couldn't hold against the Logan U13 netball team.
 

GoTheBroncs

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I don't think we can discount the affect of Webke's departure as well. Our forwards were holding their own at the start of the season when he was their coach/mentor. Now they couldn't hold against the Logan U13 netball team.

:lol:

I agree, Webke was a massive loss.
 

lockyno1

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Henjack has been given the coach's curse of the clubs hierarchy saying his job is safe. Only problem is if we want a coach with experience to come to the club and take over if he does get the punt, who'd it be?

Steve Folkes? John Lang? Every other coach worth a grain of salt is tied up to other clubs. We made a play for Bellamy but he chose to stay in Melbourne. Who else is out there that would be worth bringing to the club if Henjack is shown the door?

Folkes would do fantastic for Brisbane imo. Would not be against someone like Stephen Kearney either.
 

Dazzat

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Folkes would do fantastic for Brisbane imo. Would not be against someone like Stephen Kearney either.

Let's face it mate ... when times are tough your first response is to reach for the axe. That attitude does not build clubs, but destroys them.
 

lockyno1

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No, my first respone is to "give people time". The reality is that has long passed. We digned the wrong bloke. I was amazed that we did not sign Daniel Anderson and still am. Lets not kid ourselves, sometimes the worst thing is to hold on just hoping the coach or the players come good. Change can be good. Steve Folkes have won premierships, Kearney has won minor premierships with the Storm and a World Cup. All are better in terms of experience.
 

salivor

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No, my first respone is to "give people time". The reality is that has long passed. We digned the wrong bloke. I was amazed that we did not sign Daniel Anderson and still am. Lets not kid ourselves, sometimes the worst thing is to hold on just hoping the coach or the players come good. Change can be good. Steve Folkes have won premierships, Kearney has won minor premierships with the Storm and a World Cup. All are better in terms of experience.

I think Steve Folkes would be a good assistant or director of coaching in the John Lang, Phil Gould type setup that the Roosters and Rabbitohs have used in recent years.

I disagree that it's the worst thing to hang on and give Henjak a chance. If the Panthers went by your logic they would've sacked Elliot on the back of their horror season last year. As it is they stuck with him and the Panthers are running 5th and a completely different team.
 

spartan

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I still can't believe that the firing squad is out for henjak.

A lot of you broncos fans want to step outside of your bubble and take a good look at what he's got to work with.

1. You've the softest bunch of forwards in the league,bar none.
2. You've got kids trying to mdo ens jobs in the backs.
3. You have a couple of big time charlies who do a lot more off the field than on it and all they've done on the field is cause disruption. We know who these players are,luckily one of them is bailing out soon.
4. You're recruitment and retention policy has been abysmal.


Stop hanging him out to dry and concentrate on where the clubs failings are,because they're numerous.
 

renouf

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Bruno has f**ked the playing roster.. but Henjak doesn't know how to pick a side. Henjak must be incredibly stupid, it's taken him 3 or 4 weeks to figure out Michaels shouldn't be in first grade.

The tactics we use are also way off.. that has to come down to the coaching.
 

Pistol

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hindsight is 20/20 but for me I cant figure out why the club didnt bring on an experienced head to help oversee Henjack at the start of the season to bounce ideas off. Henjack was always going to live and die on the Bennett legacy. He's obviously sinking fast as this is the worst season since 1991 and we could face a september watching other teams. I'm not saying that Henjack should be tossed out but why wasnt he given adequate support to start with. Now he has to perform what seems like a Houdini effort to get into the finals and save him from the Centrelink office
 

lzd

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Bruno has f**ked the playing roster.. but Henjak doesn't know how to pick a side. Henjak must be incredibly stupid, it's taken him 3 or 4 weeks to figure out Michaels shouldn't be in first grade.

The tactics we use are also way off.. that has to come down to the coaching.


the reason henjack keeps picking michaels is because there is no one else behind him. a bunch of the young outside backs have been given a chance this year, particularly throughout origin, and they have all shown they aren't yet ready. Michaels is the best of a bad bunch currently.
 

renouf

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the reason henjack keeps picking michaels is because there is no one else behind him. a bunch of the young outside backs have been given a chance this year, particularly throughout origin, and they have all shown they aren't yet ready. Michaels is the best of a bad bunch currently.

Then we need to play someone out of position there, ie Glenn. You can't leak that many tries every week and expect to win.. it's crippling the side atm.
 

Dazzat

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the reason henjack keeps picking michaels is because there is no one else behind him. a bunch of the young outside backs have been given a chance this year, particularly throughout origin, and they have all shown they aren't yet ready. Michaels is the best of a bad bunch currently.

Agree with that. With Hodges out so many weeks and then Folou we've had no experience in the 3/4 line. Michaels at least gave us that ... granted you can run a Mack truck through his defence at the moment.
 

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