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getsmarty

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AyiosYiorgos said:
Melbourne Storm back NRL on de Belin, Eels contract delay revealed
Michael Carayannis and Paul Kent, The Daily Telegraph
April 11, 2019 8:07pm

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THE Jack de Belin case has taken an interesting turn with a rival club boss providing an affidavit to support the NRL’s case in standing down the St George Illawarra lock.

We understand Melbourne Storm owner and chairman Bart Campbell is the author of the letter which will be presented when the case returns to Federal Court on Monday.

Part of it contains a chronological order of how the game’s poor off-field behaviour had impacted the Storm.

Campbell was the most vocal club boss to hit out at player behaviour during the off-season train wreck. He was scathing of the NRL in February, writing to rival club bosses telling them the game needed to take a stand.

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Storm boss Bart Campbell is taking a strong line on de Belin.
“Standing around while Rome burns is not good enough,” Campbell said in February. “As a game, we need to do something.”

Campbell also said de Belin would have been stood down immediately if he was a Storm player. We understand NRL boss Todd Greenberg and chief commercial officer Andrew Abdo, among others, have provided affidavits.

De Belin will challenge the new NRL no-fault stand down policy at a three-day hearing.
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Just another reason to dislike this club even more...wouldn't you think with their history they would be better off staying out of it...HYPOCRITES.
 
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redandwhite4evr said:
The actions against De Belin are retrospective, reactionary and unfair. Read Brett Stewart's heartfelt interview in the Daily Telegraph this morning. He talks of only being prevented from playing in a relatively small number of matches before being found innocent but the emotional pain of that ban still sticks in his craw ten years later. He had to move to Melbourne to find anonymity and peace.

De Belin's case is more complicated than Stewart's due to the nature of the charges and the alleged presence of a third party so he stands to miss way more matches. By asking for this paperwork, De Belin's lawyers may be trying to blow a hole in the NRL's argument that the NRL and its constituent clubs are taking a financial hit as a result of this and other high profile cases. A before and after forensic examination of the Dragons income from merchandise etc may be part of this exercise.
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It's a violation of his human rights and evidence the NRL thinks it isn't bound by the rule of law. If he is found guilty, he should go to jail for along time. If he is found not-guilty, as I suspect will happen, I hope he sues the NRL for all it's worth and then turns his attention to the purple scum on the field and also sues the slanderous scum off the field.
 
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AyiosYiorgos said:
Melbourne Storm back NRL on de Belin, Eels contract delay revealed
Michael Carayannis and Paul Kent, The Daily Telegraph
April 11, 2019 8:07pm

Subscriber only
THE Jack de Belin case has taken an interesting turn with a rival club boss providing an affidavit to support the NRL’s case in standing down the St George Illawarra lock.

We understand Melbourne Storm owner and chairman Bart Campbell is the author of the letter which will be presented when the case returns to Federal Court on Monday.

Part of it contains a chronological order of how the game’s poor off-field behaviour had impacted the Storm.

Campbell was the most vocal club boss to hit out at player behaviour during the off-season train wreck. He was scathing of the NRL in February, writing to rival club bosses telling them the game needed to take a stand.

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Storm boss Bart Campbell is taking a strong line on de Belin.
“Standing around while Rome burns is not good enough,” Campbell said in February. “As a game, we need to do something.”

Campbell also said de Belin would have been stood down immediately if he was a Storm player. We understand NRL boss Todd Greenberg and chief commercial officer Andrew Abdo, among others, have provided affidavits.

De Belin will challenge the new NRL no-fault stand down policy at a three-day hearing.
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For want of a better word or sentence......., its a bit like a fart telling someone else they stink!
Melbourne are scum, always have been, have been proven as so.
Now they want to lay the blame at JDB.

"Tell 'em they're dreamin!"
 
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possm said:
The contract is with SGI and SGI did not stand him down. It was not in the NRL rules when JDB sign his current contract that is why the NRL had to put it in the rules. So the disputed element is that these rules are retrospectively introduced. The other elements of dispute I will leave for the court to explain and decide on 16 April.
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Possm, understand your point mate; but the contract is registered with the NRL. Also agree re the issue of retrospective application and this will be the contestable issue at law. Now if you and I were sitting on the BOD (I would resign if Glenn was appointed) and we were faced with this issue (and given our age and experience) you and I would be having some serious discussions. It is not easy and you and I may respectfully disagree; but I would be voting to stand him down. For goodness sake, we have to stand for something!
 
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I will wait for the court case.

Part of me agrees with the stand down in principle but my understanding of contract law would have me believe the stand down is not legal being retrospective and against the NRL policies that were in place at the time of the alleged incident.

As for the alleged incident I have heard 2 versions both completely different so I will also leave this for the court.
 
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West coast dragon said:
Yep how dare he play for a club where the supporters have daughters!
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Seems unfair and extremely uncivilized to me but Colombo has two daughters so he is obviously right and no punishment is harsh enough for Jack de Belin. The fact that he and his co-accused swears they are innocent is irrelevant because Old Kogarah Boy 1 also has two daughters.
 
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Rob Dragon said:
Not a great start on the forum for you Glenn. There are a number of members of this forum who are fathers of daughters (I have two daughters) who are aghast at the allegation.

deBellin absolutely has the right to the presumption of innocence. Standing him down is not contingent on the legal issue per se; it is based on his actions on bringing the game into disrepute because he was charged.

I have defended many people myself, and I can tell you that whilst the charging authority can (and does) at times get the charging process wrong; in this type of matter (with a high profile defendant) will need the DPP to initially be satisfied that (a) sufficient evidence exists and (b) the probability of conviction is high.

JUST LET THE MATTER BE DETERMINED ACCORDING TO FORMAL PROCESS.

AND SHUT UP.
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Just the same, one wonders about the act of standing a player down and the act of taking responsibility for the stand down. It seems to me the ARLC and NRL want it both ways in their favour.

Under these rules, the ARLC and NRL have the authority to stand a player down but the Club who has the contract with the player must incur all costs associated with this decision without having input to that decision. SGI had the opportunity to contest this idea and did not.

I would be fine with the rule providing the ARLC and NRL takes full responsibility for all financial implications and legal implications associated with their decision. The Club should be able to carry on without penalty of any kind as the Club is not joined to the charged and the Club played no part in the alleged crime.
 
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possm said:
Well I have 3 grown up daughters who have delivered 3 daughters in all. Yet, I would say that the ARLC and NRL have gone about this the wrong way. The whole affair should have been kept out of the media and if the ARLC / NRL wanted De Belin to stand down, they should have negotiated such a deal in secret with De Belin. SGI should have been kept out of all of this by immediately crediting the club for salary and salary cap.

By the way, I KNOW not one of my 3 daughters would have invited two young men to their home/apartment alone; they may have invited a group of mixed company or just met at the next venue separately. In addition not one of my daughters would have ordered a taxi or Uber ride for themselves and two attackers to go out to a Club immediately after being raped. I would suggest that any one of my daughters first reaction would have been to tell the rapists to leave and then immediately phone the police.

Having said all this, I do believe De Belin showed very poor judgement and acted with gross disloyalty in the apparent flirting and keeping company with a young lady while his partner was pregnant at home. It is a time when men should put responsibility at top of mind and resist any disloyal urges. I am sure De Belin will regret that night for the rest of his life.

With the above comments in mind, I believe it is likely that De Belin will be found not guilty when the charge has been legally decided. I also believe the ARLC / NRL will be unsuccessful in the defence of De Belin's legal action to be heard on 16 April.
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I agree with you but even if I didn't and even if she had immediately called the police and etc, it doesn't change the fact that as of now, Jack de Belin is an innocent man and in any civilized society, should be treated as such.

The "poor judgement" is for him and his wife/gf/fiance to work out. Nothing to do with the NRL. Who TF do they think they are? Judge, jury and executioner in matter that is none of their f**king business?? That will bring the NRL into direct conflict with out very own Colombo, aka Rob Dragon who thinks he is judge, jury and executioner.
 
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