JT on Injury Prevention and Management

[Tiger05]

If a player is not getting the right strength and conditioning training aren't they more likely to get injured? Even if the injury is a "freak" break or whatever, wouldn't it be helpful that the player is X% stronger and possibly the injury wouldn't be so bad?

Your comments sound fine but it you want to take a factually based approach to the situation its really hard to quantify this point of view.

What does the right strength and conditioning mean ? Its really sport specific.
What injuries do the right strength and conditioning help protect against ? Maybe soft tissue damage and thats a big maybe.
If you get a freak injury if they are stronger doesn't it help minimize the injury ? Probably not. Being stronger might help you avoid certain injuries but so might being more flexible under certain conditions or lots of other different factors. All of those factors though probably won't help at all with plenty of injuries.

You also have to take the base that the players were at and see if there is a significant improvement. You need to quantify this as well. You then have to determine if that significant improvement statistically results in less injuries.

To sum it all up. Its really hard to prove anything the JT is stating.

Again, I have no idea but I have always had a gut feeling that our injury curse wasn't just a curse.

This is the issue. Gut feelings don't cut the mustard. You need facts.

 

[Shanghai Charlie]

Call me crazy but Im going to back JT as having more of an idea about how to run a football organisation than Tiger05. Keep squealing your opinion though.

 

[gordsy]

He had better pray we dont have an injury one or he will look bloody foolish.

 

[Tiger05]

He had better pray we dont have an injury one or he will look bloody foolish.

Exactly right. Same as defensively if we get toweled up.

The guy to me is a dick. Potter had some class. In stating that I get the impression that Taylor may be a better coach but time will tell.

 

[hybrid_tiger]

Definitely not. Its just his dumb ass opinion. For instance Tedesco and Moltzen I think both had busted patellas. Farah had a dislocated elbow. Nofo had ligament damage. All of these injuries had nothing to do with the conditioning staff. Its first grade rugby league and injuries are going to happen.

"Some of those injuries, it is possible that some ? a small percentage of them ? weren't able to be avoided. But the majority, in my opinion, could have been avoided."

 

[The Charlatan]

Definitely not. Its just his dumb ass opinion. For instance Tedesco and Moltzen I think both had busted patellas. Farah had a dislocated elbow. Nofo had ligament damage. All of these injuries had nothing to do with the conditioning staff. Its first grade rugby league and injuries are going to happen.

So you don't think there's an issue at all with the old S&C department not being able to give a definitive date of return from diagnosis of injuries like turf toe, hamstring strains and the like? May not be able to help injuries, but they were certainly not able to return troops to the paddock in due time. Players seemed to player perpetually injured, never fully rehabilitated from injury.

 

[The Rosco]

So you don't think there's an issue at all with the old S&C department not being able to give a definitive date of return from diagnosis of injuries like turf toe, hamstring strains and the like? May not be able to help injuries, but they were certainly not able to return troops to the paddock in due time. Players seemed to player perpetually injured, never fully rehabilitated from injury.

This, and . . . . it's not so much that JT "better hope we don't get an injury", it's more the length of time our injuries repeatedly had extended time and again.
"straightforward"injuries that went from 3 weeks, to 6 weeks, to 3 months, etc, etc.

Players will still get injured, you'd be a fool to think otherwise or to wait for the inevitable injury and shout " Aha !! I told you so".
JT himself said that there will obviously still be injuries.

But if any of you guys think that there is not room for vast improvement in the way WT have dealt with post-injury treatment, then Dwyer, Tuiaki, Paterson and Lote all say hi and want to come over to the magical land in which you live. And ride your rainbow coloured unicorn.

 

[Tiger05]

But if any of you guys think that there is not room for vast improvement in the way WT have dealt with post-injury treatment, then Dwyer, Tuiaki, Paterson and Lote all say hi and want to come over to the magical land in which you live. And ride your rainbow coloured unicorn.

The only one there that I think was poorly handled was Dwyer. They should have stretchered him off.

I love people using Lote as an example. He was injured plenty at Souths as well. Magical thinking - pfft.

 

[sensesmaybenumbed]

This, and . . . . it's not so much that JT "better hope we don't get an injury", it's more the length of time our injuries repeatedly had extended time and again.
"straightforward"injuries that went from 3 weeks, to 6 weeks, to 3 months, etc, etc.

Players will still get injured, you'd be a fool to think otherwise or to wait for the inevitable injury and shout " Aha !! I told you so".
JT himself said that there will obviously still be injuries.

But if any of you guys think that there is not room for vast improvement in the way WT have dealt with post-injury treatment, then Dwyer, Tuiaki, Paterson and Lote all say hi and want to come over to the magical land in which you live. And ride your rainbow coloured unicorn.

Don't forget the gum drop house on lollypop laaaane!

 

[Tiger05]

So you don't think there's an issue at all with the old S&C department not being able to give a definitive date of return from diagnosis of injuries like turf toe, hamstring strains and the like? May not be able to help injuries, but they were certainly not able to return troops to the paddock in due time. Players seemed to player perpetually injured, never fully rehabilitated from injury.

Some of you guys have no idea regarding reality. You know what a recovery date is - its an estimate which is a prediction of the future.

I can't be bothered discussing this anymore as its pointless. Lets just hope that we get a better run with injuries and the team wins more than their fair share of games.

 

[ek999]

The Tigers injury report that was provided by the NRL would make for interesting reading if it ever got released publicly. It's always astounded me that you seem to have so many more injuries then most clubs year after year

 

[innsaneink]

Some of you guys have no idea regarding reality. You know what a recovery date is - its an estimate which is a prediction of the future.

I can't be bothered discussing this anymore as its pointless. Lets just hope that we get a better run with injuries and the team wins more than their fair share of games.

....and some of you guys take things waaaay too literally.

"Oh....he better hope we dont have an injury"

"Exactly right. Same as defensively if we get toweled up."

..FFS you blokes are looking for failure...wishing it...forget your pissy little addendums at the end of your posts,

Lets just hope that we get a better run with injuries and the team wins more than their fair share of games.

something you can point at when people pull you up...

No one is saying we wont get injuries....no one is saying we wont have our line broken....the club is talking positive, its thinking positive...what good is a season without going in positive, the mental side of things plays a massive part....if you dont believe, youre halfway beaten.

But keep on being wet blankets...Im glad youre done on this and see it as pointless...your posts are pointless, negative and without facts just as you clain the initial article to be

Dont reply...you are done.

 

[sensesmaybenumbed]

Some of you guys have no idea regarding reality. You know what a recovery date is - its an estimate which is a prediction of the future.

I can't be bothered discussing this anymore as its pointless. Lets just hope that we get a better run with injuries and the team wins more than their fair share of games.

That's the point so many are trying to have you concede. Other teams have medical staff that put players through proper rehab that has them back on the park from an injury that normally keeps a player out for a few weeks.

Our club has a history of very long injury recovery times. Fact.

If results change in relation to injuries and time out this year, will you concede this point?

No club can be competitive with players missing months instead of weeks. The salary cap simply won't allow it.

 

[Tigers Tale]

I don't know if my memory is a little clouded on this but I believe part of our problem the past few years is not just the staff who worked on our injured players rehabilitiation but also our staff responsible for overall fitness.

I have no facts/statistics to back this up but when Folkes was running our fitness/conditioning I don't recall so many injuries, certainly not like we have experienced the past few years. I maybe wrong but he seemed to have them toughened for a whole season.

If there is a new brush in this whole area of rehabilitation/fitness lets hope we can keep the core of our team fit and on the field....

 

[innsaneink]

I don't know if my memory is a little clouded on this but I believe part of our problem the past few years is not just the staff who worked on our injured players rehabilitiation but also our staff responsible for overall fitness.

I have no facts/statistics to back this up but when Folkes was running our fitness/conditioning I don't recall so many injuries, certainly not like we have experienced the past few years. I maybe wrong but he seemed to have them toughened for a whole season.

If there is a new brush in this whole area of rehabilitation/fitness lets hope we can keep the core of our team fit and on the field....

You are correct TT....I also have no facts as some here demand, just memory..

An interesting article:

...................While the NRL is determined to keep the report confidential to respect the interests of each of the 16 teams, Greenberg said the clubs who excelled and invested heavily in their high performance department reflected that success in the win-loss column.

"This has been anecdotal for a long period of time, but the data certainly says to you that when a club has a good year of injury run, and they've had their best players on the field, it also equally applies to their performance at the end of the year on the ladder and in the finals," he said..........................


http://www.nrl.com/clubs-to-receive-injury-rankings-report/tabid/10874/newsid/83884/default.aspx

 

[Tiger05]

..FFS you blokes are looking for failure...wishing it...

Definitely not. I want us to win games and I think we have a good chance to do better than what I think have to be low expectations.

I'd rather talk about what needs to happen for us to win games.

 

[Tiger05]

An interesting article:

I think that this is interesting. I work in a field where data and facts play an important role. You can't just state an opinion and have everyone believe you. You have to state these are the facts.

I also love watching the UFC. Guys get injured in that all the time. They also take steroids all the time. They take steroids I think because it allows them to train a lot harder and get over injuries quicker. I'm skeptical when it comes to people stating you just change your diet or do some more stretching and then everything is good to go.

 

[sensesmaybenumbed]

I think that this is interesting. I work in a field where data and facts play an important role. You can't just state an opinion and have everyone believe you. You have to state these are the facts.

I also love watching the UFC. Guys get injured in that all the time. They also take steroids all the time. They take steroids I think because it allows them to train a lot harder and get over injuries quicker. I'm skeptical when it comes to people stating you just change your diet or do some more stretching and then everything is good to go.

Then how the hell are you still employed?!

 

[Tiger05]

Then how the hell are you still employed?!

Your post makes no sense in the context that is was written. Anyhoo !

 

[sensesmaybenumbed]

Your post makes no sense in the context that is was written. Anyhoo !

You aren't good at this whole data and context thing....

Anyhoo...