I am a Knicks fan so know duds well. Reason for that is look at the age of those guys. Multiple years of college to develop compared to one year. We often rush
Interesting off-season coming up for you
I am a Knicks fan so know duds well. Reason for that is look at the age of those guys. Multiple years of college to develop compared to one year. We often rush
One who made the hall of fame. And he had to leave Penrith to do it.I get that, but we have a large junior nursery, so we should be producing more top level talent than other clubs. But that doesn’t appear to be the case.
We produce a lot of handy footballers, but you can count on one hand the the amount of superstars we’ve had at our club. In 52 years of existence I’m not sure that’s good enough.
Interesting off-season coming up for you
He debuted at 18 or 19 I’m pretty sure.
These are good points, but I don't think it is a failure to convert them. We have improved that quite considerably. It's just a long process Herbert and we have only now reached a point where the system is producing enough quality juniors to even carry out a strategy like the Roosters. It takes quite a few year to prime the development supply chain and now that we have, albeit still with a few gaps, we are in a position to start using it to our benefit. In comes Naden, Martin, Kenny and Too in one year. They all come in and perform. Out goes DWZ. It will help us free up cap space to go after some experienced players from other clubs, subject to the limitations of finding somebody who will sign with Penrith. The club is really set up to do that, it's now up to the recruitment team to find the players and get the blend you suggest. No excuses.
Of course, if you are doing this long enough, your experienced players could in fact all be juniors and we can use the cash to sign a potential superstar like Pongia. I agree 100% you can't win a premiership without the right amount of experience in the team, in the spine positions it's crucial that most of them are experienced.
It depends where you start from doesn't' it. If you come in and start with a good roster then you can do something. We had a roster that was screwed by non spine players taking up 60% of the salary cap, a reserve grade team that was run by St Marys and failed junior development that yielded so few first graders we were signing Burns, Walsh and Ciraldo. Mediocrity squared. The Roosters also had a chairman that was able to fund the acquisition of top class players. He certainly hasn't had that at Penrith.Gus was here for close to 8 years, I think that should’ve been enough time to see more fruits than we have. In that time we just haven’t produced a team from his strategy that can compete with the best.
In fact the best team under his watch was mostly outside senior recruits.
Gus joined the roosters in 1994, under his tenure as coach they had a 62% win record. 8 seasons after he started they’d made a grand final and won a grand final.
It depends where you start from doesn't' it. If you come in and start with a good roster then you can do something. We had a roster that was screwed by non spine players taking up 60% of the salary cap, a reserve grade team that was run by St Marys and failed junior development that yielded so few first graders we were signing Burns, Walsh and Ciraldo. Mediocrity squared. The Roosters also had a chairman that was able to fund the acquisition of top class players. He certainly hasn't had that at Penrith.
I think the signs are there that the system is now producing consistently good players and we just need to supplement them with a few astute recruits. Our spine currently consists of three players in their early 20's and an ageing Maloney. This can change over time but there just hasn't been people out in the marketplace that we can attract, so we are doing the best we can with what we can get. One area I do think Gus overlooked and that is the UK. The Raiders have shown there's quality to be had if you look in the right places.
I just don't understand people on this forum. We don't make the semis for years and then we suddenly make them 4 out of 5 years and as a result we conclude the system doesn't work we need to change it. With Gus gone, mistakes and all and Dave's mate trying to recruit mediocrity like Thompson, I can see us returning to one semi appearance every 10 years. I would also add that Ivan's playing style makes your eyeballs bleed. Attractive it aint. At least Hook let the reins off once we were suitably far enough behind. Would any player want to play in a team playing the sort of crap we are producing?
I know everybody wants us to sign some stars and not just rely on juniors and I agree with that, subject to a massive reality check. If the media is to be believed we can't even attract Corey bleeding Thompson to our team. We are just not a club people want to come too. Double that and times by three now we don't have Gus to persuade and charm them.
Well Herbert, Gus's strategy was to follow the Roosters and Broncos path of development and recruitment. Obviously subject to the limitations of not signing big names because they are unlikely to come our way due to our status. You don't agree with that and we will have to agree to disagree. I can see no better path because of who we are and what we can offer.
I wish we could sign big names, we can't. The players you listed were signed over 10 years ago. In the case of Petero he was on halfback money by all accounts and the team never went well when he was in it because the balance was all wrong. I believe it was Bennett who said you don't pay overs for props and in my view he was pretty much over the hill when he came to Penrith. After all he was 32 years old when he arrived.
When we signed Campbell he was in reserve grade and without Langs involvement most certainly wouldn't have come to us. Priddis was no superstar, he played for Australia 2 and NSW 5 times. I think he was criminally underrated (top bloke too) but clubs weren't knocking down his door to sign him.
Although not superstars, it would be great if we could sign their quality again. Not Petero he was poor value for money. Tamou and Merrin fall into that category, but we don't have enough of them to make a difference. Why? They don't want to play with us.
I love Penrith, I owned a house there, my family all live there. But we need to wake up to ourselves. We were jilted by Corey bleeding Thompson.