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[JDHD]

You have introduced a whole lot of superfluous arguments about prior behaviour and other players ability so let's just stick to this so called incident and treat it for what it is.
So exactly what did he do and what proof do you have?
You are going on and on about pure speculation as to what occurred.
On his day off he went to the pub and had a few beers, now what more can you or the journo's concerned offer other than that?
You say he put himself in a situation, so now you conclude a family orientated pub with families in it having a day out is "a situation or a scenario" you have to be f**king joking surely.
The fact that he went to the pub for a day out and nobody has any shit on him shows that he actually does have self control and until otherwise shown that is the position you should take as well.
He was in a pub having a few beers who gives a f**k that is not why we lost SOO 3 or the series.
We had a shit coach, we picked a shit team, we only had plan A (Fafitta) which failed in games 2 & 3 with no Plan B and that f**k whit Hayne hogged the ball in game 2.
Woods, Fafitta, Pearce, Maloney, Hayne mighty have been better off going to the pub because they didn't offer jack shit in game 2 or 3 and you are worried about a few beers and unsubstantiated clap trap and finger pointing.
Next time your having a few beers on a day out don't forget you are in a perilous situation and might not be able to behave.
As I keep saying give me the evidence and I would happily hang them but don't expect me to accept you and others Kangaroo court decision.

You're right, I am conflating the two. Let me start again.

The issue is of accountability and professionalism. Origin players are apparently the elite. Dugan is getting $30 000 for 80 minutes work. He has a history of alcohol related indiscretions that have cost him his position at other clubs. He has cleaned up his act at the Dragons, but going out for a drink a few days before you're going to play what has been billed as the most important Origin game in history is unprofessional and, given his history with alcohol, stupid.

If he had gone out and played a blinder, I'd be kinder to him and Fingers, but the fact is that that edge conceded seven tries during this Origin series. They played like absolute useless wankers and the fact that they saw fit to spend their day off having a few beers down the coast instead of playing a round of golf with some of their team mates, or going and doing a clinic at a local school, shows an unprofessional attitude and a lack of common sense.

Thank goodness nothing did happen because it would have only taken one idiot on holiday to have a go at either of them and suddenly it's 'Dugan and Ferguson in drunken brawl'. That was one of the possible, dare I say likely, outcomes of their visit to the pub. they're idiots for putting themselves in that situation and unprofessional for going to the pub in the first place.

 

[Old Timer]

You're right, I am conflating the two. Let me start again.

The issue is of accountability and professionalism. Origin players are apparently the elite. Dugan is getting $30 000 for 80 minutes work. He has a history of alcohol related indiscretions that have cost him his position at other clubs. He has cleaned up his act at the Dragons, but going out for a drink a few days before you're going to play what has been billed as the most important Origin game in history is unprofessional and, given his history with alcohol, stupid.

If he had gone out and played a blinder, I'd be kinder to him and Fingers, but the fact is that that edge conceded seven tries during this Origin series. They played like absolute useless wankers and the fact that they saw fit to spend their day off having a few beers down the coast instead of playing a round of golf with some of their team mates, or going and doing a clinic at a local school, shows an unprofessional attitude and a lack of common sense.

Thank goodness nothing did happen because it would have only taken one idiot on holiday to have a go at either of them and suddenly it's 'Dugan and Ferguson in drunken brawl'. That was one of the possible, dare I say likely, outcomes of their visit to the pub. they're idiots for putting themselves in that situation and unprofessional for going to the pub in the first place.

We'll have to agree to disagree.
The thread was about unsubstantiated so called bad behaviour and a binge drinking session of which none has been proven.
They are being asked to defend something that doesn't require defending.
It wasn't a couple of days before origin 3 it was well before it on a scheduled "free day" and as Dugan hasn't had any indiscretions noted since he arrived at our club, who are we to decide that he can't behave and it would be a bad look?
Just a little while ago people in here were saying how good we were at turning wayward soles around and now we drop all that for nothing more than a Ray Hadley and rum nose Rothfield rant.
TBPH I am appalled at people wanting to jump on this band waggon when there is nothing in the public space to say they did anything and how people are saying g what a terrible place to be seen at "a pub".
Pre supposing peoples bad behaviour is almost as bad as bad behaviour itself.

 

[TomRedVRiver]

You're right, I am conflating the two. Let me start again.

The issue is of accountability and professionalism. Origin players are apparently the elite. Dugan is getting $30 000 for 80 minutes work. He has a history of alcohol related indiscretions that have cost him his position at other clubs. He has cleaned up his act at the Dragons, but going out for a drink a few days before you're going to play what has been billed as the most important Origin game in history is unprofessional and, given his history with alcohol, stupid.

If he had gone out and played a blinder, I'd be kinder to him and Fingers, but the fact is that that edge conceded seven tries during this Origin series. They played like absolute useless wankers and the fact that they saw fit to spend their day off having a few beers down the coast instead of playing a round of golf with some of their team mates, or going and doing a clinic at a local school, shows an unprofessional attitude and a lack of common sense.

Thank goodness nothing did happen because it would have only taken one idiot on holiday to have a go at either of them and suddenly it's 'Dugan and Ferguson in drunken brawl'. That was one of the possible, dare I say likely, outcomes of their visit to the pub. they're idiots for putting themselves in that situation and unprofessional for going to the pub in the first place.

This is one of the rare occasions that I will fundamentally disagree with you JD.

This "history of alcohol related indiscretions" that you talk about is exactly what is implied in the wording, history. Ancient history. 5 years ago in fact.
It's not fair to a player who has got his life back together and has repented for his sins of the past to constantly have this tag following him every time he goes to the pub.

I thought that Dugan played pretty well despite a few errors, but this idea that his day out on Friday had ANYTHING to do with his on field performance is daft.
You are scapegoating two players for the performance of the entire team when:
- The forwards were responsible for our lack of go-forward in game 3.
- Hayne was poor despite being proclaimed as a "big game player".
- Woods was disgustingly bad.
- Pearce provided no direction.
- Our game-plan got found out and we couldn't adapt.
Just some examples of why we lost the series. If you're going to put it all on a winger and a centre then you're a moron frankly.

You don't think "a round of golf with their mates" can include alcohol? In fact some of my biggest afternoons have included drunken escapades playing golf with my mates. There are so many other places you can drink alcohol mate. The ONLY reason they were so far up the coast at a pub is because their mutual friend chose to have their birthday shindig up there. If the venue had of been at someone's house, on the beach, at a restaurant, or even a golf course as you so eloquently put it, then we wouldn't even have had an issue here.
Did you see the statement from the publican who hosted the boys? He said they were very well behaved, enjoying some time with mates and were taking heaps of photos with kids. Honestly what is the issue here? What are they supposed to do on their day off? Just sit at home like a stunned mullet because it will be "irresponsible" to go out somewhere due to an incident that happened half a decade ago? Please.

 

[Bests Golden Boots]

We'll have to agree to disagree.
The thread was about unsubstantiated so called bad behaviour and a binge drinking session of which none has been proven.
They are being asked to defend something that doesn't require defending.
It wasn't a couple of days before origin 3 it was well before it on a scheduled "free day" and as Dugan hasn't had any indiscretions noted since he arrived at our club, who are we to decide that he can't behave and it would be a bad look?
Just a little while ago people in here were saying how good we were at turning wayward soles around and now we drop all that for nothing more than a Ray Hadley and rum nose Rothfield rant.
TBPH I am appalled at people wanting to jump on this band waggon when there is nothing in the public space to say they did anything and how people are saying g what a terrible place to be seen at "a pub".
Pre supposing peoples bad behaviour is almost as bad as bad behaviour itself.

I'd be willing to give Dugan the benefit of the doubt......then he signed with the Wobegongs, so hang him I say.

Furguson, well at least he didn't molest anyone is the best that can be said.

 

[2010]

The NRL has reviewed the matter with Dugan and Ferguson and have found that they had no case to answer
I would love to see the players take legal action against Hadley.
At the very least the club should impose a ban on Hadley having any involvement with the club regarding interviews etc.
Hadley is a grub and continues using gutter journalism to bolster ratings

 

[Gareth67]

The NRL has reviewed the matter with Dugan and Ferguson and have found that they had no case to answer
I would love to see the players take legal action against Hadley.
At the very least the club should impose a ban on Hadley having any involvement with the club regarding interviews etc.
Hadley is a grub and continues using gutter journalism to bolster ratings

Yes 2010 , I heartily agree . However I would be including the matriarch of the Telegraph sports also . She also has a big mouth .

 

[Blood Shot Eyes]

The NRL has reviewed the matter with Dugan and Ferguson and have found that they had no case to answer
I would love to see the players take legal action against Hadley.
At the very least the club should impose a ban on Hadley having any involvement with the club regarding interviews etc.
Hadley is a grub and continues using gutter journalism to bolster ratings

If you read my previous comments on all this unjust saga then You would read that I wasnt going to comment further but finaly the players have been cleared.....I must say Im disappointed that some on here have chosen to put the boot in to one of ours particularly as it was all heresay.....I wonder if Duges was staying with our club whether the level of criticism would have been so vocal as it was.....pretty poor form if you ask me against a player that busts his arse every week in our colours.....maybe next time people wont be as quick to judge others untill all the facts are confirmed and people wont judge others on their past history