Justice for the Wests Tigers

[Vic Mackey]

Remember this?

NRL admit ref’s wrong call robbed Cowboys in narrow loss​

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Staff Writers from Aap​

June 17th, 2019 5:32 pm​

NRL head of football Graham Annesley personally phoned North Queensland CEO Jeff Reibel to admit his whistleblowers got a crucial call wrong, which cost them during their golden point loss to the Wests Tigers.​

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Annesley said senior referee Ben Cummins erred in awarding Ryan Matterson a first-half try in the Cowboys 27-26 loss in Townsville on Friday night after missing an Esan Marsters knock on in the lead up.​

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“We believe the wrong decision was made,” Annesley said.​

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“It’s been a couple of weeks in a row that we’ve had incidents in Cowboys games, which we regret and we wish they hadn’t.”​

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Afterwards, Cowboys coach Paul Green fumed at the decision, demanding his players be given an explanation.​

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Annesley said Cummins should have referred the incident to the bunker and a no try given.​

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“I have spoken to their CEO and that question was asked, what was the explanation?” Annesley said.​

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“And that explanation was the referee felt, from what he saw, that the Wests Tigers player didn’t touch the ball.​

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“In a contest where there are arms in the air, probably 99 times out of 100 they will go to the video referee. But he clearly felt there was no touch.​

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“Was it a wise decision given there was a contest for the ball? No. Probably not.”​

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Annesley said Cummins was unlikely to be demoted when the NRL resumes following the representative round break.​

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Green was also angered after Michael Chee-Kam was awarded a penalty try with six minutes remaining which allowed the Tigers to go two points ahead, before Jake Clifford sent the match into golden point with a penalty goal.​

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NRL admit ref’s wrong call robbed Cowboys in narrow loss

NRL admit ref’s wrong call robbed Cowboys in narrow loss

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In yesterday's game a Tigers player lost the ball cold but was awarded a penalty just after half time, despite there being clear evidence that Tom Gilbert never played at the ball. Cowboys challenged but Ashley Klein ruled the evidence was inconclusive. The commentators on Fox Sports were blowing up over it and so was I. Tigers kicked a penalty goal. Take away those two points, which were from a dud decision, and we wouldn't be here talking about the incident at the end of the game.

If you genuinely believe a dud call in the first 15mins of the game is the same as one after the siren that decides the game, then theres no point in continuing this conversation

 

[taste2taste]

The simple solution is for the tigers player not to run such an obvious obstruction line, we all know what he was trying to do regardless of where he was 'looking' Then we wouldn't have to go through the fine print of the rule book to see who was right or wrong.

I wonder if there would be the same amount of hysteria if this had happened in a game of warriors V titans ? No one would give AF.

 

[Das Hassler]

Weidler asked Annesley what he'd tell Tigers fans as to why they didn't get the 2 points....his blunt condescending put down reply was..." they didn't get the 2 points because they lost the game" ...not the fkn truth which exactly ( and admitted) was because my referees and system messed up! They couldn't even say that.

 

[ColdWetPanther]

A Club threatening legal action is new ground.

I'd expect that could lead to a pretty strong rebuke from the NRL.

I mean, the NRL have admitted they got calls wrong before and no club has even hinted at taking them to court over it.

Those have all been issues of interpretation, and if the ‘error’ had not of occurred you could not have categorically proven that a different result would have occurred.

This is an error of application (despite what Annesley said, the error is on allowing the challenge) and without that error the Tigers categorically wins.

So a) I see how it is different and b) how this could be overturned and not set a precedent that could challenge the fabric of the game.

 

[Saxon]

Yeh fair enough but would you settle for Butler and Klein being paraded in front of the Tigers faithful at Leichhardt Oval before being led away to the sheds where SLR Broncos awaits them?

Nope.
Nothing short of crucifixion will suffice!

 

[Babyface O'reilly]

Nope.
Nothing short of crucifixion will suffice!

I think you’re underestimating SLR’s abilities and skills

 

[ColdWetPanther]

the only way true justice can be fished out is by firing Klein. The 2 points would be a band aid on a gushing arterial wound that the current state of refereeing has inflicted on the game.

There needs to be a complete overhaul of how refereeing works in the NRL. We spend millions every year running a so called professional refereeing team, and it’s added absolutely nothing to the league.

here is my plan.

refs no longer named on tuesdays. In fact, refs will simply be instructed to be ready to travel from Thursday morning each week. The assigned team will be informed the morning of the game and will travel to the ground. This eliminates refs being able to do any preparation based on who they are reffing that week and encourages them to simply ref what’s in front of them.

refs currently get paid up to $300K per year. This is outrageous. The salary should be cut in half to $150k, while simultaneously tripling the size of the reffing team (yes I am aware this means spending more money. That’s intentional). This means the majority of refs will not be reffing first grade. To keep their practice up they will ref QLD and NSW cup games, with NRL assignments given as an honour for good performance in the lower grades just like a player.

I would cap the amount of regular season games a ref can officiate per year to 16. This ensures experience is spread around the refereeing ranks, ensuring the next generation is always in training.

Finals assignments will be made based on performance, and will bring with them bonus match payments. Same thing for internationals. state of origin refs can be assigned via people’s choice for all I care, that series is a farce anyway.

the review system needs a change. No more taking through their decisions live. That’s embarrassing. Instead, release clear guidelines on how refs make decisions e.g. what they are checking for when looking for a knock on, what “lost control” means, define downforce, define obstruction. Then stick strictly to these guidelines without compromise.

lastly, put in place a rules committee that meets once every 4 years. This is the only time new rules can be introduced. Give refs time to at least learn the ducking rules they are supposed to be enforcing instead of changing them twice a season.

I like this.

I also think a change they could make tomorrow that would 100% improve the decision making and make most fans happy is for the bunker to only be allowed to watch things in normal speed. (I personally would go even further and say the bunker should only be allowed to watch things in fast speed with Benny Hill music dubbed over it, but one step at a time)….

 

[Saxon]

Journo: What do you say to Wests Tigers fans who are upset that they didn't get the two points?

Annesley: Well, they didn't win the game. That's why they didn't get the two points.

We always knew he was an arrogant f**k, but that took it to new heights.

 

[Saxon]

I think you’re underestimating SLR’s abilities and skills

Oh no. I only meant crucifixion to replace the refs being paraded at Leichhardt Oval.
Wouldn't want to deprive SLR of a night out.

 

[Vic Mackey]

I genuinely believe that the NRL are saying the captains challenge was allowed due to the Tigers supposed legal threat.This is a rare instance where you can say with 100% certainty that the tigers win the game if no captains challenge is allowed.

If they admit they got the call wrong that’s just an interpretation. If they admit there shouldn’t have been a captains challenge then that’s them not following the correct procedure.

I’m not going to pretend to be a legal expert, but I know in my line of work I’d leave myself open in that instance.

The tigers chair runs one of the countries biggest compensation law firms. You better believe he would love to take the NRL on, imagine the publicity it would give him.

 

[Canard]

Those have all been issues of interpretation, and if the ‘error’ had not of occurred you could not have categorically proven that a different result would have occurred.

This is an error of application (despite what Annesley said, the error is on allowing the challenge) and without that error the Tigers categorically wins.

So a) I see how it is different and b) how this could be overturned and not set a precedent that could challenge the fabric of the game.

It is definitely no different to any other incident where the NRL has admitted they made an error.

 

[Babyface O'reilly]

Oh no. I only meant crucifixion to replace the refs being paraded at Leichhardt Oval.
Wouldn't want to deprive SLR of a night out.

They’ll be begging for crucifixion after 5 minutes, I’d imagine

 

[Canard]

I genuinely believe that the NRL are saying the captains challenge was allowed due to the Tigers supposed legal threat.This is a rare instance where you can say with 100% certainty that the tigers win the game if no captains challenge is allowed.

If they admit they got the call wrong that’s just an interpretation. If they admit there shouldn’t have been a captains challenge then that’s them not following the correct procedure.

I’m not going to pretend to be a legal expert, but I know in my line of work I’d leave myself open in that instance.

The tigers chair runs one of the countries biggest compensation law firms. You better believe he would love to take the NRL on, imagine the publicity it would give him.

There is plenty of decision at the end of close games that the NRL come out later and admit they get wrong.

I don't think an ambulance chaser is the best legal mind when it comes to this specific issue.

 

[GongPanther]

Nazi Germany?

Never heard of the f**kers

Nazi-Deutschland? Noch nie von den Fickern gehört!

 

[Munky]

I genuinely believe that the NRL are saying the captains challenge was allowed due to the Tigers supposed legal threat.This is a rare instance where you can say with 100% certainty that the tigers win the game if no captains challenge is allowed.

If they admit they got the call wrong that’s just an interpretation. If they admit there shouldn’t have been a captains challenge then that’s them not following the correct procedure.

I’m not going to pretend to be a legal expert, but I know in my line of work I’d leave myself open in that instance.

The tigers chair runs one of the countries biggest compensation law firms. You better believe he would love to take the NRL on, imagine the publicity it would give him.

As I said above there's no way they admit to an error of procedure.

The discretion of the ref resulting in a wrong call is a get out of jail free card.

 

[League Unlimited News]

 

[GongPanther]

You've got to scratch your head at why Kepaoa was so stupid to run such an obvious line with no intention to go for the ball.

As Slater said in commentary, we all know what he is doing regardless of where he is looking.

Yes Felt took a massive dive and he had zero chance of getting the ball, but sorry, it wasn't the ref's it was Kepaoa that cost the tigers the win.

Agreed.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

I genuinely believe that the NRL are saying the captains challenge was allowed due to the Tigers supposed legal threat.This is a rare instance where you can say with 100% certainty that the tigers win the game if no captains challenge is allowed.

If they admit they got the call wrong that’s just an interpretation. If they admit there shouldn’t have been a captains challenge then that’s them not following the correct procedure.

I’m not going to pretend to be a legal expert, but I know in my line of work I’d leave myself open in that instance.

The tigers chair runs one of the countries biggest compensation law firms. You better believe he would love to take the NRL on, imagine the publicity it would give him.

You might have a point if Wests Tigers weren't awarded a penalty for a lost ball that resulted in a penalty goal just after half time. That decision cancels out the dud one at the end. It's a matter of two wrongs making a right.

 

[League Unlimited News]

Just to rub it in, Holmes was offside at the kick off. If the bunker reviewed the whole play, it should have finished there with a penalty to the Tigers.

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[Canard]

Weird wording from that reporter. There is no "legal" basis to the interpretation of rules in sport.

I think this is clickbait, rather then a genuine update from the club.