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Justin Pascoe

Tiger05

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I saw one article and they said that there has been a backlash against the Tigers in losing our merkin players. I honestly think it's great those merkins have gone. I support the management of the club completely.

The only problem I have is with the NRL and the salary cap which is obviously completely flawed.
 
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The NRL's main fault is that it blindly supports a system that supposed to deliver a level playing field via the salary cap,unfortunately it has about a dozen different levels,and god help your club competing equally with teams that are on the penthouse level,as we know there is a different set of rules for those on that level.
 

Tiger Ted

Bench
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The NRL's main fault is that it blindly supports a system that supposed to deliver a level playing field via the salary cap,unfortunately it has about a dozen different levels,and god help your club competing equally with teams that are on the penthouse level,as we know there is a different set of rules for those on that level.
Its a farce.The problems evident in the shambolic administering of this code are abundant.The NRL hierarchy are a microcosm of our Governments.None of these inept organisations can run a bath & they are beholden to power brokers- in the NRL its people like Politis Dib & Bennett.

If the NRL hierarchy were competent & gave a f**k our junior participation wouldn't be diminishing so rapidly.How many more free kicks are these imbeciles going to give the AFL in our heartland !
 

Shredder

Juniors
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The NRL dont want it to be even and fair.
Im not sure I ever heard an NRL administrator say that that was the aim.

By having clubs at different "levels" it adds to the soap opera.

Its just a statistical anomaly that we have had so many different premiers in the last decade.
 

Tiger05

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I wrote to the NRL recently about the salary cap and us copping it. Here is the response.

Genuine Third Party Agreements do not involve club sponsors, club or game trademarks. We encourage Third Party Agreements because they bring more money into the game. They also enable Rugby League to keep players who might otherwise go to other codes. There are however rules as to how that investment takes place and when it comes to sponsoring players these are there to ensure that clubs cannot use Third Party Agreements as a way around the cap rules.

All Third Party Agreements must be registered and approved and audits are conducted regularly to ensure the rules are adhered to.

The NRL also conducts investigations into arrangements between sponsors, players and players partners and where appropriate can compel the club and/or the player to provide information relating to payments made to or on behalf of the player by club sponsors.

It is worth noting that the salary cap places no restriction on the amount a player can earn from a genuine Third Party Agreement that is separate from the club and its major sponsors. Clearly some clubs have more opportunities to secure them than others and that is why we will be working with the RLPA on the process as part of the next CBA negotiations.

I hope this helps with your query and we thank you for your longstanding support of the Tigers and Rugby League.
 

Shredder

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So TPAs are a free for all provided they dont come from the club directly or from current sponsors.

I think each one can only do one each as well?

Did I read somewhere a while ago that the club cant source them either?
If the club cant source them who does? The agent?
 

Tiger05

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It's a shit situation. It's good they wrote back to me. What I'd like to see is TPA's having nothing to do with the club or a simple draft system so that players are valued at what clubs will pay them within reason. So if we were going to pay the Turd 1.2 million he is on the books at the rorters for at least that much.
 
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It's a shit situation. It's good they wrote back to me. What I'd like to see is TPA's having nothing to do with the club or a simple draft system so that players are valued at what clubs will pay them within reason. So if we were going to pay the Turd 1.2 million he is on the books at the rorters for at least that much.

He won't be.

He'll shop, eat and buy cars at certain places and it'll be gratis. Uncle Nick will backhand those in question.
 

simmo05

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I dont really care what they earn over and above their contract, but it should be transperent. I would like to know what, say bird, got offered to dog his premiership winning team and go to another state. Who ever believes it is just contract money is kidding themselves. Surely it would be better for all these sponsors if the nrl puts on their website 'player x personally sponsored by x company, for x amount or x boats or cars or clothes? More brand exposure? Might attract more sponsors to the poorer teams, with rich supporters realising how far behind the 8 ball their club actually is.
And if we are a consistently high rating team, with constant fta exposure, and a huge are to be based in, why the f**k are we always broke?
 

Ron's_Mate

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And if we are a consistently high rating team, with constant fta exposure, and a huge are to be based in, why the f**k are we always broke?
If you look at the clubs that did rort the system - Dogs, Eels and Storm were all caught & lost points, had their seasons derailed etc.

LOL

Manly suspected of salary cap breaches as scandal engulfs NRL Nick McKenzie, Kate McClymont, Richard Baker

Published: July 5 2017 - 6:43PM

The integrity of the NRL is under a cloud with players from several clubs being investigated for taking secret benefits or cash payments in a likely breach of salary cap rules.

The Manly Sea Eagles are suspected of breaching the salary cap via secret payments to at least one player in previous seasons, according to information gathered by NSW police and NRL officials.

But it is understood Manly are not the only club under scrutiny, with the past behaviour of several other clubs also attracting police attention.

In revelations that pose a significant challenge for the NRL and chief executive Todd Greenberg, it is understood the NSW Organised Crime Squad has gathered evidence suggesting secret salary top-up payments have been made to players from several clubs. The information has emerged during an investigation into match fixing allegations.

An NRL insider told Fairfax Media detectives have not found evidence of an organised conspiracy involving players deliberately losing games. But detectives have information about intelligence being leaked by club insiders to punters, and, hidden player payments that may breach salary cap rules.

"It is systemic," said one witness who has been interviewed by police about his own role making undisclosed player payments at several clubs.

Another businessman who has been interviewed by police told Fairfax Media on Wednesday morning that secret salary top-up payments were happening "at every club." When asked whether he had ever made any undisclosed payments to a Manly player, he responded: "You write it. I've got no comment to make."

Manly said they are not aware of allegations of salary cap breaches, and that they have recently had their 2017 mid-year salary cap audit "completed by the NRL in record time and without adjustment".

"The Club remains the benchmark in relation to both salary cap and playing roster management at all levels across the NRL, something we remain immensely proud of. This leading compliance position has been confirmed by the NRL over the past three years being the tenure of the current salary cap management team of the club."

The NRL is facing a situation similar to that in 2014, when the Australian Crime Commission, using coercive interview powers, gained information from league insiders about doping issues. That information was passed, in a redacted form, to the NRL before the start of the 2013 season, allowing the league to launch an inquiry and take action.

The NSW Police Organised Crime Squad, which would not respond to questions citing its ongoing inquiry, is continuing to gather evidence mid-way through the NRL season.

It is understood police are yet to share detailed information with the NRL, although league investigators have been separately assessing salary cap issues across multiple clubs, players and player managers since last year. Police may be unable to share information if it is gained during confidential coercive examinations, which can not be released to non-police organisations such as the NRL. It means the NRL may never have access to information held by police, but will have to run its own inquiry. Several players and league figures have privately revealed that they have been the subject of coercive examinations.

An NRL spokesman said league officials were "in regular dialogue with police on matters relating to the game".

"At this stage, we are not in possession of evidence of salary cap violations which would warrant any disciplinary action," the spokesman said. However, the governing body's integrity unit would investigate the allegations.

One police witness, a businessman, has told investigators he made undisclosed cash payments to help a small number of clubs retain valuable players. Manly was not one of these clubs. But intelligence has also been gathered about a cash handover in a car park in connection to a former Manly player. A second former Manly player is also the subject of allegations involving undisclosed player payments.

In news that will relieve the NRL, several well placed sources also told Fairfax Media that the police match fixing inquiry has failed to find evidence of organised game rigging. No person wil be charged with any serious criminal offences linked directly to game rigging, although other charges involving fraud or money laundering may still be laid.

It is also understood that police have made extensive inquiries about the leaking of inside information to certain figures, including a person with organised crime links, from at least one NRL player and a now former staff member from a NRL club. This information may have given those placing bets on NRL games an unlawful advantage. As the suspected inside information leaking and betting amounts to a breach of a less serious summary offence under NSW laws, police must lay charges within six months.

The betting activity being investigated by the NRL dates back to 2015, so charges can no longer be laid in respect of this betting. But money laundering, fraud and proceeds of crime offences have no statute of limitations.

This story was found at: http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/...s-as-scandal-engulfs-nrl-20170705-gx565b.html
 
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Tigerm

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I've always thought that they should rate the players, say from 1 - 6 points, with 1 being a rookie & 6 being a Cameron Smith type player.
Then simply allow a club to have a maximum number of player points for there 30 man roster.
This would ensure the spread of playing talent as a club could not possibly stack there team with top level players and come in under the ceiling cap.
Money is then not a consideration, it is open and transparent and can not be cheated as everyone knows the players rating.
 
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If you look at the clubs that did rort the system - Dogs, Eels and Storm were all caught & lost points, had their seasons derailed etc.

All you need is a whistle blower that has proof to the booking keeping records,the above mentioned clubs were caught out this way.
 
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Crazyperpman

Juniors
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The funny thing is, the one thing that effects the club with unlimited resources is losing players in the State of Origin Period. This is a chance for the others (us) to catch up. But then all you need is for Wayne to blow up and all of a sudden there are discussions about rep rounds and shutting the comp down for 3 weeks sighting player welfare. Thirty five year olds should not be playing origin if their welfare is in jeopardy. Show me a twenty five year old complaining about too many games, there are none.

Mention the unfairness of TPAs and all you see is tumbleweeds and hear the quotes about fair and level competitions with no team going back to.........blah.....blah......blah.
 

Radical Rat

Juniors
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The funny thing is, the one thing that effects the club with unlimited resources is losing players in the State of Origin Period. This is a chance for the others (us) to catch up. But then all you need is for Wayne to blow up and all of a sudden there are discussions about rep rounds and shutting the comp down for 3 weeks sighting player welfare.
This x 1000. God it shits me when they keep talking about shutting the comp down over Origin so the rep players don't miss any games. How the f*ck is that fair? I'm sorry but the price of having all these rep players is you have to manage their workload in the middle of the season. Small f*cking price to pay IMO.

Ricky Stuart is the only coach I've heard come out and publicly echo those sentiments.
 

Crazyperpman

Juniors
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I wrote to the NRL recently about the salary cap and us copping it. Here is the response.

Thanks for sharing.

This is exactly what does my head in. How can a TPA not be a sponsor? The NRL's view is that they are not associated with the club but paying the player so it is fair to not count it under the cap. BUT would Teddy get the same TPA if not at the roosters? Are you telling me the Roosters have absolutely nothing to do with facilitating it? (Not singling out the Roosters, but this would be an obvious example to reference)

If it is the way they want to go then fine, but dont pretend some clubs combined player payments is not close to twice as much as others or that some clubs dont leverage and offset player payments off TPAs leaving more money under the cap to chase more players.

The current system is nonsensical and the explanation from the NRL is rubbish. If it is so fair then publish the TPAs so we can see.
 
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Correct me if I'm wrong but we can not use Meriton with TPA because they were a former major sponsor,however there is nothing stopping Meriton from providing TPA to rival clubs players as that company hasn't sponsored those clubs...this just seems ludicrous.
 

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