Kearney

[Gronk]

Most likely being that Kearney was brought in to tear the club down and build it back up again.

Like Tony Abbott did to you sexually.

You concern me at times Mr Escobar. :?

 

[Chipmunk]

In all honesty, do you think that we make more errors than any other club in the comp?

Canberra missed more tackles than we did, but they still held their marbles together well enough to beat us.

The big problem the team is facing is (a) inability to respond to adversity and (b) lack of trust in the defensive line.

These aren't technical issues, they are coaching issues.

Perhaps the reason he hasn't been sacked is financial? Having already sacked 2 coaches in 2 years (or forcing one to resign) the club's dollar position on the coaching front isn't exactly positive - what the heck, why not see how Kearney goes until the end of next year. The business side of things is profitable at the moment, why lose money on the coach when we're making money otherwise?

Just a stats based question, not that this happened against Canberra, but if a player strolls threw a gap and makes a break or scores a try without a hand laid on him, is anyone recorded as "missing a tackle"??

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Just a stats based question, not that this happened against Canberra, but if a player strolls threw a gap and makes a break or scores a try without a hand laid on him, is anyone recorded as "missing a tackle"??

Nope. There has to be a tackle attempted.

 

[born an eel]

some of our players are lucky there isn't a column for bad reads, but hey stats prove everything

 

[Poupou Escobar]

some of our players are lucky there isn't a column for bad reads, but hey stats prove everything

They don't prove everything at all.

They are, however, better than saying 'We beat Manly because the players said f**k YOU COACH and threw heaps of offloads' without offering any supporting evidence.

Don't get arsepain over stats mate. They're recorded for a reason, so they must have some relevance. Or maybe I'm just a sheep blindly trusting people in authority?

Maybe all the sporting organisations that record and use statistics only continue to do so because they don't want to lose face? :lol: f**kwit

 

[born an eel]

They don't prove everything at all.

They are, however, better than saying 'We beat Manly because the players said f**k YOU COACH and threw heaps of offloads' without offering any supporting evidence.

Don't get arsepain over stats mate. They're recorded for a reason, so they must have some relevance. Or maybe I'm just a sheep blindly trusting people in authority?

Maybe all the sporting organisations that record and use statistics only continue to do so because they don't want to lose face? :lol: f**kwit

I don't think you are a sheep,





now a wether on the other hand....:lol:

 

[lingard]

Mate, I'd say that most of the opinions here are emotional and unconsidered.

The minority are learned and considered. Don't take offence. You're in the latter.

Suity

I disagree.

 

[lingard]

I'm not surprised you missed the point. Not surprised at all.

The reason I say it's not our call to make is to illustrate how little visibility we have of the coaching situation.

The people who do have the authority and responsibility to make that call also have good visibility of what is wrong with the team, and whether changing the coach is likely to fix it.

Here's an example from politics...

At the next election I will vote against the current PM. I'll vote against her just because I don't like her - I don't like how she comes across in interviews and I don't like what her or her party stand for. That's why I'll vote against her. Not because I think she's done a bad job - how could anyone know if she's done a bad job? What do we compare it to? Previous PMs? They were in charge under different circumstances, and you just can't compare them.

I'm pretty certain it's a f**king difficult job, running a country, especially a democracy. And I'm 100% certain the PM knows far more about politics and running a country than I do. The fact is I just don't like her and if I wanted I could be like most people that don't like her and justify why I'm going to vote against her. I would talk about how much better the previous PM was and quote statistics about the economy and say smug things like "ANY other PM would be better!" and "She has the worst record of any PM ever!"

But the fact is I just don't like her. I didn't like her as a player, I don't like the fact that she's a foreigner and I hate that she was previously employed by the club that cheated us out of a premiership.

But because I don't want to admit that I'm so petty, I'll make up shit about her performance and ignore all the various factors that have contributed to the country's poor form while she's been in charge. I'll just blame it all on her, which suits me since I just don't like her.

Who appoints a rookie PM head of party anyway?

So now you`re implying that people are 'making up shit' about Stephen Kearney simply because they don`t like him? (And if you aren`t, then your analogy doesn`t make any sense.) Mate, nobody 'made up' his win/loss record. You even said yourself that it looks like he`s "not a very good coach - but he might not be a shit one". Why is it so mysterious to you that a lot of people might want him sacked?

 

[lingard]

Yeah I'd be much better off thinking the same thing as all you merkins. :lol:

That`s prety immature, isn`t it? Calling all of us merkins? Or do you mean 'merkins'? Do you actually enjoy this?

 

[Poupou Escobar]

So now you`re implying that people are 'making up shit' about Stephen Kearney simply because they don`t like him? (And if you aren`t, then your analogy doesn`t make any sense.) Mate, nobody 'made up' his win/loss record. You even said yourself that it looks like he`s "not a very good coach - but he might not be a shit one". Why is it so mysterious to you that a lot of people might want him sacked?

It's not mysterious at all. Coaches are sacked all the time due to fan pressure, and coaches are the first person blamed by the fans when things go wrong.

It doesn't just happen in rugby league.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

That`s prety immature, isn`t it? Calling all of us merkins? Or do you mean 'merkins'? Do you actually enjoy this?

I'm not playing this game with you lingard, you silly old merkin.

If you're pissed off at the club don't f**king take it out on me.

 

[lingard]

I definitely do. The question is at what point.



I honestly don't know. It's obviously different on a case-by-case basis, but some people here think it should happen immediately. I'd say that depends on the health of the club when the coach takes charge.

People point to the grand final appearance in '09 as a sign of how strong we were, but that fails to account for the fact that we had only made the finals once in the three years before Kearney took over, scraping into eighth place.

The fact we were on a roll and went deep into the finals that year doesn't change the fact we only won just over half our games, and won less than half in '08 and '10. We had some very talented players in that time but there were obviously some weak attitudes in there as well.

The board decided that had to change and so they brought in a coach who said he would conduct a near-total cleanout.

Obviously that entire concept is a very emotive issue, and now most of the talented players from '05-'10 are gone, and a few others are well on the decline. We are performing very poorly during this cleanout and people are pining for an imaginary golden age. But when I remember it, it was all fool's gold. There was repeated false hope and constant failure to live up to expectations.

I believe our playing roster contained too much talent and not enough attitude during that period, and I'm glad something is being done to change it, even if it's painful as f**k right now.

How long will it take? f**ked if I know. It was never going to happen immediately, but I'll be pissed off if it looks like taking longer than three years.

And they might be just as correct as anyone else. Maybe he really should be sacked right now. I don`t know. You don`t know. Does that make you a merkin, too?

 

[strider]

pou's the biggest merkin around :lol:

 

[lingard]

I definitely do. The question is at what point.



I honestly don't know. It's obviously different on a case-by-case basis, but some people here think it should happen immediately. I'd say that depends on the health of the club when the coach takes charge.

People point to the grand final appearance in '09 as a sign of how strong we were, but that fails to account for the fact that we had only made the finals once in the three years before Kearney took over, scraping into eighth place.

The fact we were on a roll and went deep into the finals that year doesn't change the fact we only won just over half our games, and won less than half in '08 and '10. We had some very talented players in that time but there were obviously some weak attitudes in there as well.

The board decided that had to change and so they brought in a coach who said he would conduct a near-total cleanout.

Obviously that entire concept is a very emotive issue, and now most of the talented players from '05-'10 are gone, and a few others are well on the decline. We are performing very poorly during this cleanout and people are pining for an imaginary golden age. But when I remember it, it was all fool's gold. There was repeated false hope and constant failure to live up to expectations.

I believe our playing roster contained too much talent and not enough attitude during that period, and I'm glad something is being done to change it, even if it's painful as f**k right now.

How long will it take? f**ked if I know. It was never going to happen immediately, but I'll be pissed off if it looks like taking longer than three years.

Well, that`s a far more reasoned and measured response than most of your posts. Well done. But I don`t see how you can say we had too much talent and not enough attitude. The team hasn`t had anywhere near a premiership winning halves combination for years. And what of our hookers? Talented? Not overly, I don`t think. Jaryd Hayne at fullback, but only since `08, really. We`ve had average centres (with the exception of Tahu very briefly), and I don`t think you`d call our forwards over the past eight years all that talented on the whole. In fact, I think that, for the most part, any success we`ve had was based on attitude rather than talent. The `09 run was attitude, pure and simple. I think we`ve had very ediocre rosters for nearly a decade - which is why our recruitment and retention was so roundly criticised by so many. Which is one reason Rod Reddy was let go and Peter Nolan recruited. I really hope I`m not a merkin for expressing this OPINION, though.

 

[lingard]

I'm not playing this game with you lingard, you silly old merkin.

If you're pissed off at the club don't f**king take it out on me.

You created this game.

 

[lingard]

I'm going with what is most likely, thanks.

Very well thought out. A real Sherlock Holmes, in fact.

 

[TheParraboy]

Will there be tough or fluffy questions?

 

[1 Eyed TEZZA]

Haynes on it right now. Mostly about Origin.

 

[bartman]

And will this thread also get merged... :sarcasm:?

 

[bartman]

And... there it was :lol:.