King Sonny Bill may return to the NRL... Which club should he join?

[TheDalek079]

So chook fans who will you want out of your 17 to put $BW in your team?

Assuming that Billy, Victor and SammyV are the only injuries

1 Teddy
2 Tupou (Ikavalu if an injury)
3 JMoz
4 Manu
5 BMoz

6 Maximus Keary
7 Flanno

8 Waerea-Hargreaves
9 Friend
10 Taukeiaho
11 Cordner
12 Crichton
13 Liu

14 Collins
15 Tupounuia / Butcher
16 SBW
17 Aubbo (Lam for more hooker cover)

 

[Willie Ray]

Assuming that Billy, Victor and SammyV are the only injuries

1 Teddy
2 Tupou (Ikavalu if an injury)
3 JMoz
4 Manu
5 BMoz

6 Maximus Keary
7 Flanno

8 Waerea-Hargreaves
9 Friend
10 Taukeiaho
11 Cordner
12 Crichton
13 Liu

14 Collins
15 Tupounuia / Butcher
16 SBW
17 Aubbo (Lam for more hooker cover)

hehehe @ Maximus Keary.....I like that...

 

[aqua_duck]

I’m saying thats what they believe his market value is, and it wasn’t a valuation, they actually paid him. So that makes it more real than what you and I think it should be

To come up with a market value and ignore a contract he signed only last year is being disingenuous

Again you're ignoring the fact that it's a different market with different circumstances and most importantly different cap structure, you're also ignoring the reason they came up with the market value rule. 100% of SBW's contract is exempt from the cap, you simply cannot apply a hard fast rule with completely different circumstances. Let's remember market value is not about excluding players from the game, it's about teams rorting the cap with TPA's or ridiculous backended contracts which was the case with Folau.

 

[aqua_duck]

Why did Toronto pay so much when they could have got him, or someone equivalent, for so much less?

Which top level player with similar marketability was putting their hand up to move to Canada?
This is what so many people cannot grasp, he's not paid $5 mil a year for his playing ability alone, he's being paid that mainly for marketability and promotional value. Canada is an entirely new market, they needed a marquee player who could create some type. You have to remember union is way more popular in Canada and with SBW being a former all black he was in a unique position to bring over those union fans

 

[Game_Breaker]

Again you're ignoring the fact that it's a different market with different circumstances and most importantly different cap structure, you're also ignoring the reason they came up with the market value rule. 100% of SBW's contract is exempt from the cap, you simply cannot apply a hard fast rule with completely different circumstances. Let's remember market value is not about excluding players from the game, it's about teams rorting the cap with TPA's or ridiculous backended contracts which was the case with Folau.

No I'm not ignoring anything
They came up with a market value by completely ignoring a contract he signed only last year. You're the one ignoring his current contract by saying it doesn't matter.
In fact it does matter, because you also can't have 2 contracts.

You talk about not excluding players from the game, but then mention Folau?

 

[aqua_duck]

No I'm not ignoring anything
They came up with a market value by completely ignoring a contract he signed only last year. You're the one ignoring his current contract by saying it doesn't matter.
In fact it does matter, because you also can't have 2 contracts.

You talk about not excluding players from the game, but then mention Folau?

With the greatest of respect are you thick? He signed a contract where his salary was completely cap exempt and under circumstances where he had to relocate to the other side of the world, in any case like I said before market value isn't based on what a team pays for you in a completely different market with a different salary cap structure, it's based on what a NRL club would pay for a player of similar ability.
As for Folau, do I really need to explain the differences in the 2 cases?

 

[jack coburn]

heard Vlandy saying there was about 8 players coming back who will be in the same boat.
Do we know who the other players are and where they may be heading ?
Will they be valued at the contract they were on overseas?

 

[Babyface O'reilly]

If we’re treating SBW’s Toronto deal as his genuine market value, then his NRL career is over as no one, including Warriors, could fit him in.

 

[Canard]

Does anyone, including Roosters fans, believe that they are operating a few hundred thousand dollars under the cap this season?

Complete horeshit.

 

[Babyface O'reilly]

Does anyone, including Roosters fans, believe that they are operating a few hundred thousand dollars under the cap this season?

Complete horeshit.

Yeh.

 

[jack coburn]

Does anyone, including Roosters fans, believe that they are operating a few hundred thousand dollars under the cap this season?

Complete horeshit.

probably. They lost Cronk who was supposedly on a mill , michell and tetavano and only gained JMoz and flannagan. doesn't seem unreasonable.

 

[mave]

probably. They lost Cronk who was supposedly on a mill , michell and tetavano and only gained JMoz and flannagan. doesn't seem unreasonable.

That assumes that they were under or just on the cap last season, which is debatable, at best.

 

[Babyface O'reilly]

That assumes that they were under or just on the cap last season, which is debatable, at best.

They let go of Kane Evans, Aidan Guerra, Connor Watson, Liam Knight and released Paul Carter before 2018 which might be why we could afford Teddy? Pearce would’ve been a like-for-like swap with Cronk? And we didn’t cave in to Latrell’s pay demands for this year. But you’re right. Roosters would’ve gotten away with it if not for a bunch of plucky, diligent LU posters.

 

[Sonny83]

Does anyone, including Roosters fans, believe that they are operating a few hundred thousand dollars under the cap this season?

Complete horeshit.

yeh. Do us a favour and come up with a list of players we let go and recruited past few years

 

[Legends]

Does anyone, including Roosters fans, believe that they are operating a few hundred thousand dollars under the cap this season?

Complete horeshit.

Yes, I believe it. It’s called smart Salary Cap management.

• Bring young players through your junior program or who are unwanted at other clubs and provide the environment for them to want to stay at the club, despite possible higher dollars elsewhere, eg Radley, Manu, Tupou, Flanagan, Aubusson, SST, Verrills, Friend, Butcher, Liu, JWH, Cordner
• If players do search out bigger money elsewhere or you don’t think they’re providing value for money, let them go, eg Lattrell, Matterson, Blake Ferguson, Jennings, Kane Evans, Napa, Tetevano, Momorovski, Connor Watson, Pearce, Guerra, FPN
• When recruiting established players, try to pick up bargain buys (eg Morris brothers and Keary) and hold on to them as long at below market value, or recruit quality at or below market value (eg Tedesco, Chrichton) and make them better, even more valuable, players.
• Don’t throw huge money at risky prospects or long-term deals, eg Ben Hunt, Corey Norman, Milford, Darius, Jack Bird, Foran, Napa, Burgess and Inglis (bailed out by the NRL), Moylan, Shaun Johnson, Val Holmes, Barba, Jennings, Mbye, Brooks, Packer

Sure, the Roosters have made some of the above mistakes in the past, but they’ve got it right now!

 

[dogslife]

If he wasn't given that insane contract by Toronto and chose to come back to the NRL at the start of the year, does anyone genuinely believe he would have accepted in the range of $400,000 a season?

 

[aqua_duck]

If he wasn't given that insane contract by Toronto and chose to come back to the NRL at the start of the year, does anyone genuinely believe he would have accepted in the range of $400,000 a season?

No but as I explained previous that's not how the market rule works nor is it the reason the rule is in place. Market value concept isn't and has never been about prevent players taking unders but rather to stop teams using dodgy tactics like TPAs and backloading to unfairly assemble a team. In terms of just playing ability at his age and with his injury history he's worth no more than $600k-700k to any team.

 

[dogslife]

No but as I explained previous that's not how the market rule works nor is it the reason the rule is in place. Market value concept isn't and has never been about prevent players taking unders but rather to stop teams using dodgy tactics like TPAs and backloading to unfairly assemble a team. In terms of just playing ability at his age and with his injury history he's worth no more than $600k-700k to any team.

Not trying to have a dig which seems to be the theme of this thread. To me, market value should be determined by what a player is willing to play for. If he wants to come back and play for the Roosters for a pie and a coke after the game, he should be allowed, provided he's not also getting a $600,000 City Ford marketing deal. My question is how the NRL arbitrarily comes up with this $400,000 market value when the bloke is a known mercenary, and would never in a million years play for that amount

 

[Legends]

If he wasn't given that insane contract by Toronto and chose to come back to the NRL at the start of the year, does anyone genuinely believe he would have accepted in the range of $400,000 a season?

What a player is prepared to sign for is irrelevant if its outside market value. I would think $400k/year is pretty generous for a 35 year old who was out of the game for 6 years and was ordinary in the couple of games since.

 

[Cockosh]

Ex Roosters still playing in NRL and the year they departed. Arguably a top 4 team. Doesnt includes retirees like Cronk and Gordon or those in UK like SKD

1 Roger Tuivasa-Sheck 2015 Warriors
2 Blake Ferguson 2018 Eels
3 Latrell Mitchell 2019 Souths
4 Michael Jennings 2015 Eels
5 Paul Momirovski 2018 Storm
6 Sean O'Sullivan 2018 Broncos
7 Mitchell Pearce 2017 Knights
8 Dylan Napa 2018 Bulldogs
9 Connor Watson 2017 Knights
10 Kane Evans 2017 Eels
11 Zane Tetevano 2019 Panthers
12 Ryan Matterson 2018 Eels
13 Aidan Guerra 2017 Knights
14 Josh Curran 2019 Warriors
15 Chris Smith 2017 Bulldogs
16 Brendon Elliot 2016 Manly
17 Dale Copley 2016 Titans
18 Nene Macdonald 2015 Sharks
19 Tautau Moga 2013 Knights
20 Brad Takarangi 2012 Eels
21 Joseph Leilua 2012 Raiders
22 Iosia Soliola 2009 Raiders
23 Sandor Earl 2009 Storm