Latrell (officially signs with Souths 13/1/20)

[Perth Red]

I don't like drafts personally. I don't think they are a great answer.

How about transparency on player salaries & TPA's, as in public? That way we could have cap much harder too cheat without the law/taxman coming down hard on cheaters.

In the USA, players unions push for this in order to create a better bargaining position for the players.

Funny that RL is so afraid of it... Now which segment would be afraid of their real salaries coming to light... (player managers & players who know they are on shonky deals)

Interestingly the NRL also seem terrified at laying the blame for salary cap cheating at the foot of players. They go out of their way every time to lay no blame at players when we all know players must be aware of something dodgy going on sometimes.

 

[mave]

Cam Smith knew NOTHING !!!

 

[sensesmaybenumbed]

He has signed for market value with Souths

Yeah, nah

 

[Perth Red]

Cam Smith knew NOTHING !!!

or the eels players, or the manly players, or the sharks players. I know RL players are generally thick as two short planks but you'd think some knew what was going on?

 

[Mr Angry]

 

[gerg]

We’ve still got one twin. I rate Knight and Tatola as well

The rest of the pack have potential but a lot to prove

Getting Arrow here early would be vital

I dunno. When I think of the best props in the game I immediately think of Knight and Turgess with JWH/Klemmer/Papalii having a lot of work to do to reach Flipper level.

 

[alexwilliams_66692007]

Latrell is looking nice and fit already today at training LOL

 

[Tommy Smith]

How about lol@Souffs offering Corey Allan as a swap for Jai Arrow? The audacity.

Even Shane Richardson speaking publicly about trying to get Arrow for 2020. It's disgusting. Arrow is contracted for 2020 TO THE TITANS so no rival club should be speaking openly about trying to pry them away early.

The current player transfer climate in the NRL is putrid.

 

[Valheru]

I’m sure in the 20 odd years they have had a draft there’s been more than a few disgruntled players that would have got out of it if they could have. And wouldn’t such a ruling make the AFL draft illegal too? If so why is it still in place? It’s time to challenge that ridiculous court ruling from 30 odd years ago.

If someone took the AFL draft to court it would be ruled illegal too but it takes someone to actually do it.

 

[The Mad Hatter]

It's only the AFLPA that has agreed with AFL HQ that their draft is for good of their game.

Also, if some kid arced up about being drafted, he'd probably be blackballed in their code and where would he go?

That said, any AFL player who did wantvdisagree could do so due to the RL case in 1990/91.

 

[adamkungl]

I think you have to go either one way or the other. Either accept there will always be haves and have nots and that some clubs are richer than others. Or set it up so all clubs have to operate on exactly the same expenditure in every area and create a genuine even playing field. At the moment we pretend to be B) when in reality we are A) and that is what annoys people. Dont say you are what you arent!

Penalising and artificially limiting success doesn't sit well with a lot of people, but this is just a conceptual/ideological view.

The practicality of it is what's concerning.
Can you imagine a competition where every team is Broncos/Tigers/Panthers quality and no one is able to string 2-3 wins together? Unpredictable and even, yes. But utter dross. (actually, see 2018 for this comp. Not a banner year for good football).

The other extreme is a competition where the rich teams never fall below 4th. The quality of football among those teams is good, but 1 sided against the rest of the ladder with regular floggings. (England's Super League is often closer to this than the NRL is)

There has to be a balance. High quality teams are marketable, as is a close competition.

Be honest, no one would complain if the Eels or Panthers had won 3 Grand Finals in a decade. They are extremely wealthy clubs. Panthers group has an annual revenue close to $150M. Roosters and Storm aren't on top because of money, they're on top because of good management with the money to support it. Broncos Bulldogs Raiders Rabbitohs, all very wealthy with very mixed results over the last 10 years. Poorer clubs like Manly and Cronulla continue to perform on the field after some bad years.

 

[myrrh ken]

Yeah, nah

Its probably 100K under market value. But maybe that value dipped after all the shenanigans.

Tiges offered him overs - let's face it they probably had to given their squad and their performance last year.

 

[some11]

Latrell is looking nice and fit already today at training LOL
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Jeez hes been in a good paddock.

 

[Wily Ole Dog]

Yeah, nah

Just because he refused massive dollars to go to your ramshackled club doesn’t mean it’s market value.

Christ, he’d need 2 million to join your lot

 

[sensesmaybenumbed]

Just because he refused massive dollars to go to your ramshackled club doesn’t mean it’s market value.

Christ, he’d need 2 million to join your lot

So unders and Rusty's paper bags and family hugs is market value?

Yeah, nah.

 

[Captain Apollo]

Apparently the draft is a restriction of trade in the NRL. However it works in other codes.

Players union needs only sign off on it I thought. But Greenvurg bent over backwards for them in the last CBA see deal. They hold the power.

The game has no LEADERSHIP.

Restriction of trade yet the AFL which has the same workplace legislation has a draft. Go figure.

It just goes to show the NRL suits are pussies that get pushed around by the RLPA.

Didn't it actually go to court?

No one form the AFL has challenged it thus it is still in place.

Actually it was the "chest beating show leadership" style that resulted in the mess which saw the NSWRL draft get thrown out of court as a restraint of trade in the first place. The NSWRL imposed the draft, it didn't consult the then NSWRL Players Association and ignore its suggestions. BY doing this, it resulted in the leadership of the RLPA being over turned by ballot and a new hard line regime lead by Kevein Ryan elected on a platform of opposing the draft. They funded Terry Hill's court case.

The then VFL had tried regional zoning for recruits since 1967, but as it wasn't considered to be working that's when they looked at bringing in the draft for 1986. They spent more time in consultation with their player's association and took suggestions from them onboard. As such it is in their collective bargaining agreement with a commitment that the Players Association would not challenge the validity of the draft in court.

Hence if you want a draft, the ARL are going to have to do a lot of negotiating behind closed doors with the NRLPA otherwise they have roughly 0% chance of getting one up and running.

 

[Knight76]

Just because he refused massive dollars to go to your ramshackled club doesn’t mean it’s market value.

Christ, he’d need 2 million to join your lot

market value
noun

1. the amount for which something can be sold on a given market.

Pretty straight forward. LM could get double what he got at Souths. Pretend all you like.

Put simply, your statement about needing 2 million to join your lot is exactly what is wrong with the NRL!

The NRL needs a different way of capping player talent at a club. The salary cap is working to ensure clubs don't go broke, but is dismal in ensuring the talent is spread around fairly.

A talent cap should be introduced in parallel with a salary cap, with appropriate discounts for juniors playing for the club, long term/one club player discount etc.

 

[Captain Apollo]

A talent cap should be introduced in parallel with a salary cap, with appropriate discounts for juniors playing for the club, long term/one club player discount etc.

Some of those points are diametrically opposing.

 

[The Rosco]

Just because he refused massive dollars to go to your ramshackled club doesn’t mean it’s market value.

Christ, he’d need 2 million to join your lot

"Market value" is . . . umm, how do I make this simple for you ?
Market Value is the value the market places on him.
If souffs offer 250K more than any other club for a player, his market value includes that 250K.
It doesn't disappear, just because souffs are toothless bogans that live in the rectal cavity of the NRL.

 

[Perth Red]

Actually it was the "chest beating show leadership" style that resulted in the mess which saw the NSWRL draft get thrown out of court as a restraint of trade in the first place. The NSWRL imposed the draft, it didn't consult the then NSWRL Players Association and ignore its suggestions. BY doing this, it resulted in the leadership of the RLPA being over turned by ballot and a new hard line regime lead by Kevein Ryan elected on a platform of opposing the draft. They funded Terry Hill's court case.

The then VFL had tried regional zoning for recruits since 1967, but as it wasn't considered to be working that's when they looked at bringing in the draft for 1986. They spent more time in consultation with their player's association and took suggestions from them onboard. As such it is in their collective bargaining agreement with a commitment that the Players Association would not challenge the validity of the draft in court.

Hence if you want a draft, the ARL are going to have to do a lot of negotiating behind closed doors with the NRLPA otherwise they have roughly 0% chance of getting one up and running.

Here's an idea, they could have offered a $3million raise in the salary cap to get it over the line with the RLPA lol.