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Laurie Daley may not be all that bad

Poupou Escobar

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You going to tell me Grothe (whom I love btw) is a better winger than Burt?

He might not be better, but he's better suited to Origin.

Like the difference between Farah and Ennis - Farah's a better hooker but Ennis is better suited to Origin football.
 
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Tahu will have his hands full with inglis and he also has to help burt in defence?

burt a better winger than morris or. Hayne ?

He is the best suited winger when we wear blue and gold glasses but in the whole game?

Someone mentioned defence in regrds to poore. You can't just look at his hitups.

Similarly you can't just look at burt with ball in hand. U. Need to look. At the whole package
 

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A huge part of an origin wingers role is the bringing of the ball back in traffic. It is
not lukes strength. Similar to an el Masri IMO in that, on his best form , you'd consider him for aust but not origin.
 

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Gidley is a jack of all trades but a master of none, shouldn't be anywhere near the bench let alone as captain and Fullback. Hayne is a supreme talent that can do anything on a football field. But Gidley tries hard........

So true.


As far as Burt goes - heck, they picked Kidley for Origin, might as well throw Burt on the wing too! We're trying to play handicapped as it is - might as well sack Morris/ Hayne altogether.

For the record, I wouldn't pick Burt at Origin level, AND I would not have Kids at all. Hayne/ Tahu/ Jennings/ Lyon/ Morris. That should be the back 5.
 

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i reckon burt is a special player for us but he will never play origin imo. hayne is a specialist fullback and is picked on the wing ,that tells me that we dont really have enough good wingers for nsw, or that hayne is a really good winger !
 

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So true.


As far as Burt goes - heck, they picked Kidley for Origin, might as well throw Burt on the wing too! We're trying to play handicapped as it is - might as well sack Morris/ Hayne altogether.

For the record, I wouldn't pick Burt at Origin level, AND I would not have Kids at all. Hayne/ Tahu/ Jennings/ Lyon/ Morris. That should be the back 5.
Tha would be the way i would of gone as well, and without the Dreadlocked myth on the bench.
 

^b0ss^

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Hayne on the wing is silly, but I see their logic. He does not deserve to be lumped in the ET category of 'play him anywhere'.

Luke Burt would ironically be more likely to play on the wing for Australia than for NSW - there are just too many big boppers in the backs for QLD to play Luke. His form is deserving of a Blue Jersey though.



i had to laugh when i read that...
 

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So true.


As far as Burt goes - heck, they picked Kidley for Origin, might as well throw Burt on the wing too! We're trying to play handicapped as it is - might as well sack Morris/ Hayne altogether.

For the record, I wouldn't pick Burt at Origin level, AND I would not have Kids at all. Hayne/ Tahu/ Jennings/ Lyon/ Morris. That should be the back 5.

How the f**k would picking Burt make the NSW team "handicapped"?

FFS you want to know why the AFL kicks the crap out of the NRL in everything? Simple - they don't use this level of backwards, scared thinking.

FACT: Luke Burt is in STELLAR form.
FACT: Luke Burt is a points-scoring machine.
MYTH: Luke Burt can't hack it in Origin. And we'll never know because he'll never get picked despite being the form winger of the comp.

But ffs - Dave f**kING Williams played the most horrible winger's game of all time. You honestly think Burt would do worse than him?

If NSW want to get back on top for a change, how about a change in their mentality - reward the form players and pick them in their right goddamned positions. Lyon at 5/8? At Origin level? Nobody is outraged at that, but the mere suggestion that the form winger of the comp gets a nod in is laughed at.

f**k me.
 

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Tahu will have his hands full with inglis and he also has to help burt in defence?

burt a better winger than morris or. Hayne ?

He is the best suited winger when we wear blue and gold glasses but in the whole game?

Someone mentioned defence in regrds to poore. You can't just look at his hitups.

Similarly you can't just look at burt with ball in hand. U. Need to look. At the whole package

Yeah, Morris is a super defender...Hayne, too. FFS - Darius f**king Boyd made Hayne look like a rag doll last year. :roll:

I don't disagree - defense is crucial. But I am so sick and tired of people being overlooked when they are clearly in form. The same concerns (oh, he can't defend) were brought up in City-Country.

Burty, apart from being in stellar form, is also very experienced, not to mention very wily. You don't think his inside centre could benefit from his knowledge?

Someone mentioned combinations before...Well, at a club level, T and B are a sensational pairing. They defend well together and set up a few attacking plays, too. Tahu is in form. Burt is in form. So why not pick them together?

But hey - let's consider other players to play out of position before we get to the little guys.

NSW is a joke.
 

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Wow. I'm fired up. Apologies if I offended anyone.

I'm just trying to say - look, it's not like Origin is composed of players outside the NRL. Yes, the players take it up a notch or two to play Origin. But the players are the same. Burty has played against Inglis, Slater, etc. many times.

What he lacks in the physical presence stakes he more than makes up for as a footballer IMHO. And at the end of the day, the "athlete" form of player will always lose out to the "footballer" type of player IMO. And Luke Burt is a true, pure footballer.

And I mean what can be lost? If he has a shocker, let him go and replace him with a "suitable" replacement like Grothe or Williams or Jennings (yes, Jennings - they were talking about putting him on the wing).

We've lost four consecutive series. We've tried playing the incumbents, and it failed; we've tried bringing in some young talent, and it was moderately successful. How about we go one further and use young talent AND in-form players? Just for once? To prove that Origin isn't a boys' club of, "Well, you played 2 great games last season out of 26, so I'll choose you - despite the fact this bloke is playing out of his skin this season!" Oh, wait....
 

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I think Burt would go alright, but I am sick of them picking small wingers.

In saying that Burt >>>> Turner, El Masri, McManus, Quinn who all got a run over the last few years.
 

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I think Burt would go alright, but I am sick of them picking small wingers.

In saying that Burt >>>> Turner, El Masri, McManus, Quinn who all got a run over the last few years.

Exactly! How is Luke a worse all-around player than Hazem El Over-rated, Steve "It should never have been my" Turner, James "I play like the last four letters of my surname" McManus or Anthony Quinn?

I got nothing for Quinn lol.
 
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i rate burts wing defence better than b.morris. morris is a great finisher who can create something from nothing and so far this season burt has been his equal.
 

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poor burty should've been a qlder, he'd hav many series wins against his name by now. once again nsw have been found out by believing the hype
QUEENSLANDER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

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And what would he had made of Burty with Burt being 20% lighter.

Exactly

People really are overating burts defence. He will be up against israel folau. He will be punished.

Hazem was picked in a game 3 situation. So lets get serious. In state of origin you need monster wingers who will act as props when returning the ball back. Do people realise that burt doesn not offer us anything in lick returns. The guy is a finisher & thats it. There is no way i would drop either moris or hayne to accomadate luke burt
 
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People really are overating burts defence. He will be up against israel folau. He will be punished.
What, he's never played against Folau before?

Partner him with Tahu and he won't be the speed hump you say he will be.

In state of origin you need monster wingers who will act as props when returning the ball back.
That's not entirely true. Burt offers many things that can offset his lack of size.

Goal kicker;
Additional general play kicker;
Additional ball player;
Additional field goal kicker;
Excellent support play;
Best infield kick on the run in the competition;
Excellent versatility to cover injuries during the game.

Do people realise that burt doesn not offer us anything in lick returns. The guy is a finisher & thats it.
Tell that to HaHa, who has made a billion breaks from the back because of brilliant balls from Burt. If Burt plays 14 and comes on to the wing when HaHa moves to the back and Gidley goes to acting half then he can combine with HaHa just like he does every week - which, by the way, he does better than any other winger in the competition.

There is no way i would drop either moris or hayne to accomadate luke burt
Neither would I but if anything happens to the three-quarter line in terms of injuries then I certainly hope he's in the selectors' minds to fill the gap. I don't think he'd be out of place at 14 with Idris slipping into the starting line up to cover an injury or suspension.
 

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Luke is great in attack but under the bomb and in defense against the big boppas, he'll struggle big time.

T-Rex pushed him away making him go backwards and the dogs had Indris on him off bombs.

His runs from dummy half or hitup runs are next to useless. So he can't relieve the NSW forwards of hitups.

I don't think he deserves the Blues jumper as there are so many wingers or centre cum wingers ahead of him.

Hindy would feel more ripped off than Burt.

Pou pou's post was spot

An 80 min Hindy isn't required for the blues as the calibre of SOO players means that their defense is more than up to scratch and there is no need for Hindy to make 50 tackles to cover lazier defenders at club level.

BUrt is going great guns for us but a sky blue jumper? I think not.


I'm not making a case for Burt, but please remind me, how many tries did Idris and T rex score down Burt's side???

BTW Burt > Hazem, Turner, Mcmanus and Quinn any day of the week.
 

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MYTH: Luke Burt can't hack it in Origin. And we'll never know because he'll never get picked despite being the form winger of the comp.

It's not that Burt couldn't hack it in Origin - several of us admitted he wouldn't embarass himself - it's that he wouldn't be able to contribute in the way Origin wingers are expected to.

Morris and Hayne can get in and do the heavy work, and they can do it well. This is good because in Origin most of their carries will be runs from dummy-half and first receiver hit-ups.

While Burt would hook in and do his best bravely, he would probably lose ground on every carry. He might show some brilliance in broken play over the course of the series but so would Hayne and Morris. That's why they're in the team and Burt's not.

Jarryd Hayne is the best winger at Parra. He's also the best fullback.

Second best winger at Parra is a toss-up between Burt, Grothe and Tahu. But in Origin you'd pick Tahu ahead of Grothe and Grothe ahead of Burt just because a winger's role in Origin is so much different to his role at club level.
 

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