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League vs Union Hybrid Match

Kurt Angle

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Really?

With contested scrums and lineouts? And rucks and mauls?

Really?

yes tommy, know your RU rule book, RU has a major flaw it its scrummaging rules.

A RU team must have 3 starters and 2 players on the bench who are allowed to scrummage.

All the RL team needs to do at kick off is have 4-15 as genuine players, and 3 scrubs at 1-3. Immediately when the ball is kicked, all 3 players run into each other, fake injury and all get taken off.

Thus the RL team doesn't have enough qualified scrummagers, and all remaining scrums are uncontested.

In the lineouts with the RY team throwing in, the RL team doesn't have to contest them when the wallabies throw in, just spike in a gridiron fashion, and if the RU team comes to ground, pole-axe them in a tackle, otherwise pursue the backs.

In RL throw ins, 2 guys in the lineout is easily won.
 

Kurt Angle

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hellteam said:
I reckon the Kangaroos could go close to beating the Wallabies at Rugby Union. Seriously.

He who displays Griffith university intelligence said:
Really?

With contested scrums and lineouts? And rucks and mauls?

Really?

ummm....
 

Lockyer4President!

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They were talking about a game like this around the 2003 UWC. No surprise that O'Neill is back in power at the naziball HQ and the rumour starts circulating again.

It's a sh*t idea, we either play one half of each game and the Kangaroos smash them 100-nil or we play some sh*tty hybrid rules game where the losing union team will predictably complain the the rules favoured the RL team.
 

Vossy

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just 1 game, to truely show them how sh!t rugby is and how truely great the kangaroos are and show players why they shouldnt bother switching codes..

having alot of league converts in the shoddy wallabies team would be interesting, would be funny watching there props such as dunning keep up the the kangaroos...medicab would be working overtime
 

bartman

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Can't say the thought of this game excited me in the slightest.

But I guess they know that the sporting public will pay money to go and watch dished up sh*t - just take any game of AFL and the Gilchrist 20-20 match for example.
 

perverse

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i think the league boys would lose to the union boys in any sort of hybrid game. the rucks and mauls would have to be emulated somehow... and they would just murder us in that aspect every time.
 

Chook Norris

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i think the league boys would lose to the union boys in any sort of hybrid game. the rucks and mauls would have to be emulated somehow... and they would just murder us in that aspect every time.

union teams don't know how to score trys though
 

hutch

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i think the league boys would lose to the union boys in any sort of hybrid game. the rucks and mauls would have to be emulated somehow... and they would just murder us in that aspect every time.

obviously rucks and mauls are a problem, we dont rely on fat blokes pushing other fat blokes over for a try. we would kill them in the shared skills. running, tackling, passing etc. our game breeds a lot better footy players and athletes than they do, from the nature of it and how long the ball is in play, and from the systems and training methods we have in place from a younger age. rugby league players are faster, stronger, fitter and tougher!
 

queenslandfan

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It is kind of a waste of time, seeing tho half the wallabies are ex kangaroos or players who couldnt make the kangaroos side.

Kangaroos would win if it resembled any kind of free flowing game, while wallabies would probably win if it was dominated by scrums & mauls. Pointless excercise either way. Just let rugby union die off naturally.
 

warren

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i think some people are taking it too seriously - i think it would be fun to watch

i dont know how it will happen, but if it did happen i would go/watch
 

kal83

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whilst i would love nothing more then to see the league boys win 60-9 (which in reality is the only result that will happen) to shut the union androtops up for good, i can only see it harming the nrl more then helping it.

the likes of slater, inglis, thurston etc will only become more known to union and the interest in our players will increase ten fold.


your right on the money. only an effort by rugby to check how our players would adapt to rugby. seriously how many backline position do they have left!!!
 

ShadesOfTheSun

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Stakes are too high for hybrid match
Article from:

By Iain Payten
November 25, 2008 12:00am

WITH one insight, Phil Blake almost nails why a cross-code battle between the Kangaroos and the Wallabies should - but won't - get off the ground.
"The stakes are so high. It's bragging rights for as long as you live," Blake says. "If one side took a hammering, imagine the crap they'd have to put up with for the next 50 years."
Spot on, yet still an almost because Blake doesn't go far enough.
As far as the never-to-hear-the-end-of-it category goes, throw in the entire losing code, their loser fans and a roll call of loser officials as well.
It's as tantalising a prospect for both sports as it is downright scary.
A footballing version of the Thunderdome - two codes enter, one code leaves.
Perhaps, then, it's understandable that yesterday's news of a possible Kangaroos v Wallabies grudge match was met with far more enthusiasm by fans than administrators.
After a century of squabbling over the back fence, here was a proposal to end the neighbourhood feud once and for all. To put an end to the debate that's echoed through the blogosphere, schoolyards and pubs for generations - is the dominant colour of Australian football green, or is it gold?
In the end, the showdown was knocked on the head before Tina Turner could even warm up, but it left us with the question: Could a duel between our two national sides ever occur? It would certainly rake in the bucks, and both codes need to be innovative with Emperor Andrew Demetriou's AFL invasion force en route to western Sydney.
But despite the public interest, in reality the chances of a fully franked cross-code clash happening are the opposite of John Daly's waistline. Slim.
With the consequences of failure all too real for both code's officials, coming up with a spirit-level-even playing field would prove next to impossible. In 1996, Bath and Wigan played experimental matches in the UK. Under league rules, Wigan won the first 82-6.
"The union boys really struggled with the 10 metres, getting up and back," recalls NRL referee coach Russell Smith, who officiated. "It was only due to the fact so many tries were scored that they got a breather."
In the second match, under union rules, Bath won 44-19. Smith watched the match. "The Wigan guys just couldn't get a hold of the ball," he says.
All that proved, Smith surmised, was that rugby players weren't much good at league and vice-versa.

So a set of hybrid rules would be required to see a proper battle of the codes, and therein lies the next problem. Compromise would be needed to find middle ground, but changing too much of one game gives a leg up to the other.
Scrapping the contested scrummaging and lineouts of rugby would strip the union side of valuable skills and strengths. But given lineouts don't exist in league and the scrum is as useless as light beer in Andrew Symonds' fridge, to keep them in unaltered would be unfair to the mobile, athletic forwards in the NRL.
The backs aren't a problem. If anything, they're the most exciting part of a cross-code duel. Matt Giteau with more space to ball-play, or Billy Slater gliding through slow defenders would make the turnstiles spin.
But what about when a bloke is tackled? Does he play the ball or is there a ruck? Some suggest doing both, according to on-field location, but Blake advocates a rolling scenario.
"You could get two or three league tackles to get some momentum and then go into ruck and mauls. If I kicked it to you, it would eliminate you kicking it straight back, you'd run it back and build up," he says.
Blake, who played 261 league games but now coaches Manly's rugby side, supports cross-code experiments and is trying to organise a game against the Sea Eagles. He'd be the first in line for a Wallabies v Kangaroos ticket but believes realistically a cross-code duel will only ever happen at club level, where the stakes are far lower.
"That way whoever won or lost, it wouldn't really matter," Blake says. "Well, not as much anyway."
Source: http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/story/0,22049,24701720-5017479,00.html
 

Thomas

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That's an interesting article. Perhaps they could have used a more recent example rather than one from 1996...say...Sale vs St Helens in which the union team won on aggregate (41-39)...but that wouldn't suit the agenda of the author. Also in 1996 RU had only just turned "professional"...

Of course, in that game Sale won the RU game and St Helens won the RL game...which would be the outcome of any hybrid game although Sale held ST Helens scoreless for half of the RL half which surprised a lot of people.

Also interesting to note that nearly every RL fan thought St Helens would stuff Sale in both games.
 

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