Lega IRFL - what recognition in Italy means

[Von Neumann]

Well, well, well. That last line is debatable, calling the LIRFL a rugby union entity, and I am sure CQItalia will deny this. There is a lot of work and cross promotion with union but it can be argued that at some point a line must be drawn. Otherwise eventually it is highly likely that the LIRFL and the FIR may become so intertwined as to render a separation impossible and even give some legal weight to FIR simply taking over the reigns, at least in the eyes of CONI. Perhaps this is what the RLIF is afraid of down the track and feels it is simpler and cheaper now to nip the whole thing in the bud. Perhaps they feel they need to set a strong precedent for use in Morocco, South Africa and the UAE.

They should at the very least be making a large effort

(a) to get the LIRFL on side and promote a merger.
(b) to help in getting CONI recognition, though they may be waiting for SportsAccord before attempting this

You just feel the s**t is going to hit the fan as usual and like in the US going to hold the movement back another decade or so. Then again, nothing prevents the two federazioni continuing as usual developing league - it just means the LIRFL know they don't and won't ever have legitimacy. If they continue none the less then all the power to them.

Good stuff. But don't you consider it outrageous? I certainly do. Forget about their relative strengths, capabilities and intertwinings, you were completely right when you said a line should be drawn.

Far from it for us to know what is happening behind the scenes and interpersonal relationships.

I'm glad the rlif is getting in on the ground and looking into it. That organization is certainly not a rugby league one by the looks of it, probably at the least not up to par with what we'd expect. They should not operate as such. A clear separation is necessary. Every one is glad for help in tough places but that line needs to be a bold line.

That's the issue perhaps. That RL should not need other organizations to run itself. Maybe some buffing is in order I don't know. But I want to find out. I'm glad the rlif has taken this course of action.

 

[miguel de cervantes]

The root cause of all these problems is a lack of SportAccord. With that comes legal standing, recognition and funding, which at the end of the day is what RL needs, can't get and is obliging them to get in bed with union. I just hope the RLEF/RLIF get their bloody arse into gear and get the thing done, it is surely a huge priority.

Edit: ok, they have submitted it. Waiting on SportAccord I guess. You would hope it isn't far off and this might explain the RLIF position re: Italy.

The RLIF has also recently submitted our application for recognition to Sport Accord and our sports legitimate case will be pursued with energy in the New Year. The RLIF fully appreciates how important this membership would be to the very many nations whose own governmental agencies require such recognition. 23rd December 2014

http://www.rlif.com/rugby-league-international-news/article/1518/rlif-board-send-christmas-message

The first signs of league being any good and making any real progress will be in the Morrocos, Norways and UAEs - where (hopefully) without any "impediments" and a generally small latent union culture league has a genuine chance of being able to strut it's stuff, exist and prosper like any other sport and perhaps overtake union in these places. If that ever happens it will be very encouraging.

 

[Von Neumann]

The root cause of all these problems is a lack of SportAccord. With that comes legal standing, recognition and funding, which at the end of the day is what RL needs, can't get and is obliging them to get in bed with union. I just hope the RLEF/RLIF get their bloody arse into gear and get the thing done, it is surely a huge priority.

Edit: ok, they have submitted it. Waiting on SportAccord I guess. You would hope it isn't far off and this might explain the RLIF position re: Italy.

http://www.rlif.com/rugby-league-international-news/article/1518/rlif-board-send-christmas-message

Nearly missed that. I look forward to being even more informed about their progress.

This whole thing stinks

It may be good in the short term and I'm extremely happy for the players. But not in the long term should this be the case. Also a reunification is in order.... But not driven by themselves only or rugby, but by the rlif hopefully.

 

[Von Neumann]

I disagree with Mascord to some extent. I don't think he fully understands the relationship between union and league in Italy, and I don't think it is really anything like what is occuring in the UAE or has occured in Morocco or South Africa. Morroco and the UAE are quite similar cases, South Africa is somewhere in the middle. In Italy the relationship between the codes is quite reasonable as far as I understand and I think league has already gained a hell of a lot more than union from the collaboration.

I do agree with him regarding the Lega IRFL doing it out of spite with regards to the official body, I certainly hope this is not the case. Then again, if the Lega saw an opportunity to advance the cause and they believe this is the right way to go then you can't really blame them for doing it - provided it is seen as a temporary thing.

This said, who is to say that a single governing body couldn't govern all rugbies in a single country? To us it may seem strange, but to some places it would appear to be quite normal and logistically sensible. If one body can govern 15s and 7s, why not 13s as well? As long as they are fully independant and without bias...

Its hard to see it without long term bias. Fledgling v established. Their sport v league. I don't think this is a horror as such, but structurally it's an abomination.

Does coke run Pepsi? Does gm govern ford?

If they did that's a takeover. A bloodless coupe in this instance. From the top down this must be viewed. I'm glad for bottom up insurance for players but overall that's not ultimately good enough.

I'll allow for it being benevolent, a hand out stretched, but the issue here is abstract from that. Its simply not up to standard. But it may do for a time....

My point being, someone had to sign off on this. It sucks the players had to be in this spot, and its dodgy how the sport (the majority of its bounds encompassed by these rebels, though I use that term loosely) is subservient to a foreign body

 

[CQ Italia]

This 'partnership' would mean potentially 3-4+ month campionato and a lot more teams, which isn't bad. Perhaps the Sports Accord recognition will help in future to avoid these cases, but if RLIF are going to put a statement out for Lirfl shouldn't they be doing the same for others under Rugby boards in order to get Government recognition?

Something more than just statements needs to be done, that's all its been for years. It's LONG past embarrassment

After this I thought it would be obvious Coni favour Lirfl, after being in discussions with both. As mentioned in a statement, it's been run by them...

 

[Bronco Rob]

I think the LIRFL have been somewhat backed into a corner. They have the RLEF who have sided with the FIRL without much negotiation with the LIFRL so they may have felt compelled to look elsewhere. From what I've heard and read it seems like the RLEF said it's the FIRL's way or the highway.

 

[heights]

Glad David Collier has been listening to me.

I'm sick of the boo hooing from these fledgling federations.

You knew how difficult it is to start any new sport in a new country and you knew how limited the RLIF was as an organisation (hopefully that will change in the next few years).

So what do they do when it gets too hard? Get in bed with the enemy.

Its better to have no RL in a country rather than RL as the tethered servant of RU

 

[Von Neumann]

Glad David Collier has been listening to me.

I'm sick of the boo hooing from these fledgling federations.

You knew how difficult it is to start any new sport in a new country and you knew how limited the RLIF was as an organisation (hopefully that will change in the next few years).

So what do they do when it gets too hard? Get in bed with the enemy.

Its better to have no RL in a country rather than RL as the tethered servant of RU

Bravo. It may sound unsympathetic to some but I think this is right.

I was livid about this and thought the same, and was relieved to see the actions had been taken when I checked it out. Good move.

Leveraged servant. I think that's correct. You don't go to KFC to get maccas

Gm does not tell Ford what to do.

I think the capability of the rlif will improve. There's no excuse from these fledgling organizations

 

[taipan]

I believe unless a sport is independent,it will have to answer and be restricted to the requirements of the sporting body controlling it.That sporting body IMO would give priority to its own dominant sport ,if it came down to choice.

I was a firm believer in having another sport involved at one stage(if it was absolutely necessary),now I am not so sure.
Then again it's easy for me to be suspicious,thousands of kms away from reality.

 

[Von Neumann]

I believe unless a sport is independent,it will have to answer and be restricted to the requirements of the sporting body controlling it.That sporting body IMO would give priority to its own dominant sport ,if it came down to choice.

I was a firm believer in having another sport involved at one stage(if it was absolutely necessary),now I am not so sure.
Then again it's easy for me to be suspicious,thousands of kms away from reality.

But I guess what you also mean, dont you, is that you'd rather err on the side of caution?