Loko Pasifiki Tonga

[KogarahWarrior]

the issue with Loko is he's difficult to coach because of his own high opinion of himself. Like a lot of young people these days, hard to teach because they already know it all.

Just read a thread on this forum and you’ll very quickly see that old people aren’t any better.

 

[Not Myself]

There young and keen show confidence better than gutho cook val kerr who show age numb nuts

I think you have the wrong end of half a conversation, but I am not certain because this is a very garbled message.

 

[InFlannoWeTrust]

We have to remember. The week he injured his neck at training he was in the 17.
so from two weeks off and a good game in cup request comes. Hmm

 

[St.Brisbane]

His omission makes little sense. The coach himself said we aren't winning a GF this year. Loko was seen as physically able to play 10 games last year. Also he is not coming on as a playmaker - he could continue to be given 20 mins each week to continue to develop. The players being picked ahead of him are not getting the job done or presumably in our plans for next season.

Some of the selections are hard to support. Last year LKT was picked while injured and struggling with form. With both Ilias and Glover available. Now a year older and with NRL experience he appears to be part of the group who are not good enough to be considered for first grade?

 

[Number of the Beath]

It looks like unfortunately LPT doesn't have that patience and wants NRL game time sooner

Patience doesn't come into it.
If plodders like Lawrie, Guler and Kerr were being picked ahead of me, despite their obvious under-performance, I'd be f*cking ropable.
Bad player management. "Pathways"?!, my ar$e.

Dragons reject Loko Pasifiki Tonga release request as frustration boils over

There has been a plea to have the talented young gun explore his options due to claims of minimal opportunities to develop his game.

www.zerotackle.com

 

[I'm Hornby]

We have to remember. The week he injured his neck at training he was in the 17.
so from two weeks off and a good game in cup request comes. Hmm

Your man the drug cheat didn't even pick him to go with the squad to Vegas mate.
That was round 1 in case you're wondering, prior to him hurting himself at training.

You can try to find every excuse in the book, at the end of the day this is all on Flanagan and shows without a doubt he has lost the dressing room. I wonder who else will want out with Sua and Loko.

 

[Captain Apollo]

But it's the development that seems to be the issue and has been for some time. Under Hook, players like George Burgess and Jack Gosiewski said they never got any feedback from the coach as to what they should work on. Now the same complaints have been made of Flanno by Ilias and LPT. It's as though the coach puts a wall around the first grade squad and takes no notice of any players outside that.

There's quote in an article on Fox Sports where James Maloney, when he was being coached by Flanagan in 2016 at the Sharks, said he learnt nothing under his coaching. Maloney made this comment publicly at a sports lunch last year.

 

[Flinstone]

Your man the drug cheat didn't even pick him to go with the squad to Vegas mate.
That was round 1 in case you're wondering, prior to him hurting himself at training.

You can try to find every excuse in the book, at the end of the day this is all on Flanagan and shows without a doubt he has lost the dressing room. I wonder who else will want out with Sua and Loko.

True, he took Egan because he said he was an important member of the squad, why not take Loko for the same reason.
Why take Lawrie when he has been told he his free to look elsewhere.
Makes no sense.

 

[Illusion]

Your man the drug cheat didn't even pick him to go with the squad to Vegas mate.
That was round 1 in case you're wondering, prior to him hurting himself at training.

You can try to find every excuse in the book, at the end of the day this is all on Flanagan and shows without a doubt he has lost the dressing room. I wonder who else will want out with Sua and Loko.

There is definitely no return for him , Flanno is a Dinosaur coaching in a past era and really after the use of drugs to get him a Premiership should not and he won't get another gig again ....... Found guilty that's why he was banned ........

 

[Rob-Dragon]

There is definitely no return for him , Flanno is a Dinosaur coaching in a past era and really after the use of drugs to get him a Premiership should not and he won't get another gig again ....... Found guilty that's why he was banned ........

Illusion, you're right mate. The game has passed him by. The best coaches in the modern era, in multiple sports, are "player whisperers". Almost the main criteria for a coach (assuming there is an acceptable level of technical knowledge) is soothing players ego's, managing stress, communicating disappointing news in a empathetic manner etc. From the outside looking in, Shane Flanagan does not appear to possess these attributes. He seems like a throwback to the "tough taskmaster" mould, and modern players do not respond to this. I know this first hand, because as a +30 year cricket coach, my "old tough" style did not work for the modern youngsters, and I was driven out of my enjoyment of the role. I was sicking of managing ego's and parental interference. Why have you dropped my son to 3rd Grade Coach? Because he has scored 55 runs in 10 innings. What does he have to do to get back in 1st grade? WTF??? How about score some runs, stopped kicking stones, be a good clubman, turn up to training. Can you call him and tell him you still really like him Coach? No. But that is what modern sports coaching is about. Moulding the person. Our next coach has to be a calm, measured, respected individual who can (a) calm the dressing room, (b) get the boys to start throwing the ball around, (c) get some smiles on the players faces. Everyone in the Club looks completely grey faced. You can smell the stress, and Flanagan is radiating it every minute of the day. You don't think the players pick up on that?

 

[Illusion]

Illusion, you're right mate. The game has passed him by. The best coaches in the modern era, in multiple sports, are "player whisperers". Almost the main criteria for a coach (assuming there is an acceptable level of technical knowledge) is soothing players ego's, managing stress, communicating disappointing news in a empathetic manner etc. From the outside looking in, Shane Flanagan does not appear to possess these attributes. He seems like a throwback to the "tough taskmaster" mould, and modern players do not respond to this. I know this first hand, because as a +30 year cricket coach, my "old tough" style did not work for the modern youngsters, and I was driven out of my enjoyment of the role. I was sicking of managing ego's and parental interference. Why have you dropped my son to 3rd Grade Coach? Because he has scored 55 runs in 10 innings. What does he have to do to get back in 1st grade? WTF??? How about score some runs, stopped kicking stones, be a good clubman, turn up to training. Can you call him and tell him you still really like him Coach? No. But that is what modern sports coaching is about. Moulding the person. Our next coach has to be a calm, measured, respected individual who can (a) calm the dressing room, (b) get the boys to start throwing the ball around, (c) get some smiles on the players faces. Everyone in the Club looks completely grey faced. You can smell the stress, and Flanagan is radiating it every minute of the day. You don't think the players pick up on that?

That's what makes Bennett a good coach ........ He is more of a people manger and knows how to talk to players as a group and individually ,to get the best out of them ..........

 

[possm]

SIX potential landing spots for Loko Pasifiki Tonga

Where does he land after his release request?

www.zerotackle.com

I very much doubt Loko will be released. I hear that if Flanagan is gone, he will be happy to stay. Let's hope the Board has heard this loud and clear. Hopefully some other players have said the same.

 

[possm]

His omission makes little sense. The coach himself said we aren't winning a GF this year. Loko was seen as physically able to play 10 games last year. Also he is not coming on as a playmaker - he could continue to be given 20 mins each week to continue to develop. The players being picked ahead of him are not getting the job done or presumably in our plans for next season.

Some of the selections are hard to support. Last year LKT was picked while injured and struggling with form. With both Ilias and Glover available. Now a year older and with NRL experience he appears to be part of the group who are not good enough to be considered for first grade?

Two different rules, one for Kyle and another for players Flanno dislikes.

 

[Mojo]

Illusion, you're right mate. The game has passed him by. The best coaches in the modern era, in multiple sports, are "player whisperers". Almost the main criteria for a coach (assuming there is an acceptable level of technical knowledge) is soothing players ego's, managing stress, communicating disappointing news in an empathetic manner etc. From the outside looking in, Shane Flanagan does not appear to possess these attributes. He seems like a throwback to the "tough taskmaster" mould, and modern players do not respond to this. I know this first hand, because as a +30 year cricket coach, my "old tough" style did not work for the modern youngsters, and I was driven out of my enjoyment of the role. I was sicking of managing ego's and parental interference. Why have you dropped my son to 3rd Grade Coach? Because he has scored 55 runs in 10 innings. What does he have to do to get back in 1st grade? WTF??? How about score some runs, stopped kicking stones, be a good clubman, turn up to training. Can you call him and tell him you still really like him Coach? No. But that is what modern sports coaching is about. Moulding the person. Our next coach has to be a calm, measured, respected individual who can (a) calm the dressing room, (b) get the boys to start throwing the ball around, (c) get some smiles on the players faces. Everyone in the Club looks completely grey faced. You can smell the stress, and Flanagan is radiating it every minute of the day. You don't think the players pick up on

Young would be ideal then.

 

[Mojo]

Two different rules, one for Kyle and another for players Flanno dislikes.

I suspect Flano’s defensiveness re Kyle is a primary consideration in determining which players he ‘dislikes’. I don’t just mean possible better halfbacks. I suspect Flano has become a bit paranoid ie; his thought process is: if you’re not 100% on board then you’re 100% against me; no subtleties.

 

[RedVLife]

This situation pretty much should be the nail in the coffin for Flanno. Another big loss this week I think its done. Go into the week leading into Anzac Day with a caretaker with new ideas. If its Dean Young tell him from the get go that the job wont be yours in 2027 and tell him to just play the young guys.

As much as I wish Sua was staying, given hes gone in 27 see if Parramatta will take him early and play Ryan Couchman on the edge until Egan is back.

 

[RedVLife]

This situation pretty much should be the nail in the coffin for Flanno. Another big loss this week I think its done. Go into the week leading into Anzac Day with a caretaker with new ideas. If its Dean Young tell him from the get go that the job wont be yours in 2027 and tell him to just play the young guys.

As much as I wish Sua was staying, given hes gone in 27 see if Parramatta will take him early and play Ryan Couchman on the edge until Egan is back.

Following from this. The next full time appointment needs to be someone younger who can relate to our squad better. As good of a coach Brad Arthur is I worry hes too old school.
My picks would be Hornby, Burgess or maybe John Morris

 

[Inisai Toga]

Age imo is not the variable- not even sure its knowledge, the games not that bloody complex! its which individual (irrespective of age) can effectively communicate and force and sustain change whilst managing and sustaining behaviour.

Plenty know the game, but most young coaches have shown they are not really that effective in intiating change. Describing what should /shouldn’t have happened is alot easier than delivering the desired outcome.

 

[hook hook]

Ryan couchman is too vital to the middle rotation IMO. Should be Toby, Ryan, Loko and Sele or Kerr all sharing minutes. We have the forgotten man who is the most suited to back row out of the lot in Nick T

 

[possm]

This situation pretty much should be the nail in the coffin for Flanno. Another big loss this week I think its done. Go into the week leading into Anzac Day with a caretaker with new ideas. If its Dean Young tell him from the get go that the job wont be yours in 2027 and tell him to just play the young guys.

As much as I wish Sua was staying, given hes gone in 27 see if Parramatta will take him early and play Ryan Couchman on the edge until Egan is back.

Dean Young, Fanagan, Ennis, and Haran should be given their marching orders.

Appoint Willi Talau as head coach and let him pick his own assistant coaches. Sign Richo as football manager.