LOL at some of the moronic Dragons supporters. explain this

[Willow]

Ok you said it slowly. It doesn't make it true. Morrison is better than Creagh. Why kid yourself?

LMAO. Try reading it again... and then see if you pull yourself out of denial.

What proof do you have other than the lame "he is teh future"

What proof do you have that Creagh "is not teh future".

I have the national selectors backing me up. Do you?

I'm having a whinge and a moan?

Yes.

Does that mean everybody who disagrees is having a whinge and a moan?

No.

It must be sad having your arse handed to you by someone who isn't a good debater.

LOL. If this was cricket, you would have been run-out without facing a ball.

 

[lucablight]

LMAO. Try reading it again... and then see if you pull yourself out of denial.

What proof do you have that Creagh "is not teh future".

I have the national selectors backing me up. Do you?
Yes.No.LOL. If this was cricket, you would have been run-out without facing a ball.

Hey while we're talking about the future let's put in Justin Poore, Tim Smith, John Sutton, Karmichael Hunt. They are teh future after all. Let's just forget about the present.

You have the national selectors sucking your what? Bob McCarthy supports who? Andrew Johns isn't ready for origin 2?

 

[shanewarneandrewjohnsrox]

I have the national selectors backing me up. Do you?

That just proves you wrong. The selectors have proven themselves to be idiots time and time again.

The best one being:
Before SOO1 - Andrew who? Kimmorley is the best, lets pick him.
After SOO1 - Oh crap! This guy is hopeless! Lets pick someone else. How about Barret? Oh hes injured. fine, well go with this Johns fellow, see if hes any good.
After SOO2 - Woah this guy is GOOD! How come we never noticed him before?? Must be new...

 

[gregstar]

this can't get any worse.

 

[Willow]

Hey while we're talking about the future let's put in Justin Poore, Tim Smith, John Sutton, Karmichael Hunt. They are teh future after all.

So you're saying that all those players are teh future but Creagh is not teh future?

You're contradicting yourself , again.

I thought we were talking about Creagh being teh future. Or is every player under 21-years-old teh future?

You have the national selectors sucking your what?

You tell me borderline kid. Please elaborate.

Bob McCarthy supports who? Andrew Johns isn't ready for origin 2?

Once again, you're contradicting yourself and struggling to make a relevant point. Plus you're avoiding the questions being put to you.
As I said, a poor debater.

 

[Willow]

this can't get any worse.

lol. I woudnt worry too much, it can't be too long before they're clip across the ears and sent to bed. :lol:

 

[lucablight]

So you're saying that all those players are teh future but Creagh is not teh future?

You're contradicting yourself , again.

I thought we were talking about Creagh being teh future. Or is every player under 21-years-old teh future?

You tell me borderline kid. Please elaborate.

Once again, you're contradicting yourself and struggling to make a relevant point. Plus you're avoiding the questions being put to you.
As I said, a poor debater.

OMG are you being serious?How can anyone be that stupid? Do you lack the ability to detect sarcasm?

Also as to avoiding the questions being put to me. I can't believe what I'm hearing. Who's avoiding what? I haven't heard a single valid reason as to why Creagh should be in the side ahead of Morrison or even Young.

 

[Willow]

That just proves you wrong. The selectors have proven themselves to be idiots time and time again.

The best one being:
Before SOO1 - Andrew who? Kimmorley is the best, lets pick him.
After SOO1 - Oh crap! This guy is hopeless! Lets pick someone else. How about Barret? Oh hes injured. fine, well go with this Johns fellow, see if hes any good.
After SOO2 - Woah this guy is GOOD! How come we never noticed him before?? Must be new...

I suppose its a waste of time explaining how irrelevant all that is.

How do those incidents prove anything about the current selection of Creagh?

Its a fact that Creagh has been selected. Are you having trouble following this?

By your logic, every selection can be wrong if you want it be simply because there have been lemons in the past. Clutching at straws and just plain dumb reasoning.

 

[lucablight]

I suppose its a waste of time explaining how irrelevant all that is.

How do those incidents prove anything about the current selection of Creagh?

Its a fact that Creagh has been selected. Are you having trouble following this?

By your logic, every selection can be wrong if you want it be simply because there have been lemons in the past. Clutching at straws and just plain dumb reasoning.

You're contradicting yourself willow. Firstly you said you had the selectors on your side. This obviously implying that they were right in their selection.

Then when someone brings up the point of the selectors being proven wrong it suddenly becomes irrelevant? How convenient......

 

[shanewarneandrewjohnsrox]

I suppose its a waste of time explaining how irrelevant all that is.

How do those incidents prove anything about the current selection of Creagh?

Its a fact that Creagh has been selected. Are you having trouble following this?

By your logic, every selection can be wrong if you want it be simply because there have been lemons in the past. Clutching at straws and just plain dumb reasoning.

How is it irrelevant? It shows that selectors can be and often are complete idiots.

Im not saying it proves anything about Creagh, Im just saying selectors are often wrong to a fantastic degree, and the fact that you share the same opinion as them doesnt necessarily make you right.

Understand? Dumbass..

 

[Willow]

You're contradicting yourself willow. Firstly you said you had the selectors on your side. This obviously implying that they were right in their selection.

Then when someone brings up the point of the selectors being proven wrong it suddenly becomes irrelevant? How convenient......

Oh FFS, do try and keep up.

I said in terms of Creagh being a future player. It is a fact that he has been selected.
I'm not the one bringing up past selections. I'm dealing with the facts. Your argument is removed from the facts.

How is it irrelevant? It shows that selectors can be and often are complete idiots.

Its irrelevant because you said it was proof that I as wrong. Past selections prove nothing about this selection.

I could easily bring up some great past selections to try and 'prove' how right the selectors are. But it wouldn't be relevant to the selection of Creagh.

Im not saying it proves anything about Creagh,

Sure, you're only trying to say it proves the selection was wrong. lol.

Im just saying selectors are often wrong to a fantastic degree,

And there often right to a fanstastic degree. So what?

and the fact that you share the same opinion as them doesnt necessarily make you right.

And it doesnt make this selection wrong either. Hence the irrelevance.

As I said, you're clutching at straws.

Heads up boys... here are some more facts...

Morrison didnt even make the train-on squad. Creagh did. Looks like Morrison was never in the picture. Perhaps you guys should just accept it.

Morrsion was overlooked.... not wanted.

Thems the breaks.

 

[lucablight]

Oh FFS, do try and keep up.

I said in terms of Creagh being a future player. It is a fact that he has been selected.
I'm not the one bringing up past selections. I'm dealing with the facts. Your argument is removed from the facts.

Its irrelevant because you said it was proof that I as wrong. Past selections prove nothing about this selection.

I could easily bring up some great past selections to try and 'prove' how right the selectors are. But it wouldn't be relevant to the selection of Creagh.Sure, you're only trying to say it proves the selection was wrong. lol.And there often right to a fanstastic degree. So what?And it doesnt make this selection wrong either. Hence the irrelevance.

As I said, you're clutching at straws.

Heads up boys... here are some more facts...

Morrison didnt even make the train-on squad. Creagh did. Looks like Morrison was never in the picture. Perhaps you guys should just accept it.

Morrsion was overlooked.... not wanted.

Thems the breaks.

Who cares if he may be a future player? IMO he is not worthy of selection at this present time. Just because the selectors say he is doesn't mean they're necessarily correct as has been proven already. They're only human and they can get things wrong as well. You seem to want to ignore this and wish to believe they can do no wrong. It's not a question of who was selected or not. They are facts already. It's a question of who should and shouldn't have been selected.

You honestly believe Creagh is a better player than Morrison/Young right now?

 

[shanewarneandrewjohnsrox]

Its irrelevant because you said it was proof that I as wrong. Past selections prove nothing about this selection.

I could easily bring up some great past selections to try and 'prove' how right the selectors are. But it wouldn't be relevant to the selection of Creagh.Sure, you're only trying to say it proves the selection was wrong. lol.And there often right to a fanstastic degree. So what?And it doesnt make this selection wrong either. Hence the irrelevance.

Youre missing the point you idiot.


Im not saying they the selectors are always wrong and youre wrong because you agree with them, Im saying the fact that you need to use the questionable decisions of selectors as your reason why Creagh deserves selection shows how very little he has going for him.

While lucablight is an idiot, hes right about one thing "I haven't heard a single valid reason as to why Creagh should be in the side ahead of Morrison or even Young."

Maybe you could stop whinging and saying "TEH SELECTORS ARE GODZ" and have a sensible discussion about why Creagh deserves the spot.

 

[Dragons Cross]

Hey luca, Ben Creagh will play Origin next year and would have regardless of whether he is in the Aussie team or not, Morrison will play for City at best.

While Morrison is an honest toiler and above average back rower, Ben Creagh is a pacey, hard-hitting impact player who will be a superstar by the end of next season. This is not a one-eyed Dragon fan's opinion, you go and ask every NRL coach and see what they say. Try Peter Wynn as well while you're at it.

Facts are facts, Creagh will be wearing the green and gold but Morrison won't be, that really says it all. By the way, Tim Smith is overrated.

 

[lucablight]

Hey luca, Ben Creagh will play Origin next year and would have regardless of whether he is in the Aussie team or not, Morrison will play for City at best.

While Morrison is an honest toiler and above average back rower, Ben Creagh is a pacey, hard-hitting impact player who will be a superstar by the end of next season. This is not a one-eyed Dragon fan's opinion, you go and ask every NRL coach and see what they say. Try Peter Wynn as well while you're at it.

Facts are facts, Creagh will be wearing the green and gold but Morrison won't be, that really says it all. By the way, Tim Smith is overrated.

Ben Creagh is waaay overrated. For a pacey, hard-hitting implact player he doesn't make much of an impact does he? His stats are worse than the honest toiler and above average backrower in every department. The only thing I've seen him do all year is run over Michael Witt. That's about it. Have you personally asked every NRL coach?

You're quite ignorant if you think Tim Smith is overrated as well.

 

[shanewarneandrewjohnsrox]

Hey luca, Ben Creagh will play Origin next year and would have regardless of whether he is in the Aussie team or not, Morrison will play for City at best.

Will City want him after his last perfromance for them?:lol:

 

[Dragons Cross]

Ben Creagh is waaay overrated. For a pacey, hard-hitting implact player he doesn't make much of an impact does he? His stats are worse than the honest toiler and above average backrower in every department. The only thing I've seen him do all year is run over Michael Witt. That's about it. Have you personally asked every NRL coach?

You're quite ignorant if you think Tim Smith is overrated as well.

Overrated in your eyes maybe mate. You seem to read too much into these stats, try including the minutes on the pitch for the season to get a tru indication how these players performed. Actually looking at the NRL stats they show the last 5 games averages, these are more accurate given that Creagh was on the field for the majority of these games.

Tackles : GM 29.8, BC 16.8 - Morrison
Offloads : GM 0.8, BC 0.4 - Morrison
Line Breaks : GM 0.2, BC 0.4 - Creagh
Hitups : GM 7.6, BC 8.4 - Creagh
Metres : GM 59.2, BC 67.8 - Creagh
Errors : GM 1.0, BC 0.6 - Creagh
Mistackles : GM 3.6, BC 2.2 - Creagh

Now while Morrison does more work in defence, you can clearly see that Creagh is a much better offensive backrower and with players like Fitzgibbon in the Aussie team they need some attack rather than defence in the back row.

 

[lucablight]

The amount of minutes on the field is irrelevant. If Creagh was good and fit enough he would spend more time on the field. If you look at those stats over the course of the year Morrison is substantially better. There isn't much between them in the last 5 games is there?

IMO I would rate Young, Watmough, Widders, and Newton all better than Creagh.

 

[Dragons Cross]

Actually mate, when you look at stats, the minutes on the field is probably the most telling stat. The main reason that Creagh doesn't play the same amount of minutes that Morrison does is because Saints have bench players that can play for 80 mins unlike Parra's 5-minute wonders Thuggy Thuggy Cheap Shot and Widders. When Ennis comes on Young is moved back to 2nd row giving either Thompson or Creagh a spell. This doesn't mean they can't play 80 mins, its to save them as we aren't losing anything by bringing in other quality players.

There isn't much between them in the last 5 games is there?

If you're going to base your argument on stats, don't dismiss them when you are proven wrong. The last 5 stats show that Creagh is better, regardless of the difference, he is better.

 

[lucablight]

Actually mate, when you look at stats, the minutes on the field is probably the most telling stat. The main reason that Creagh doesn't play the same amount of minutes that Morrison does is because Saints have bench players that can play for 80 mins unlike Parra's 5-minute wonders Thuggy Thuggy Cheap Shot and Widders. When Ennis comes on Young is moved back to 2nd row giving either Thompson or Creagh a spell. This doesn't mean they can't play 80 mins, its to save them as we aren't losing anything by bringing in other quality players.



If you're going to base your argument on stats, don't dismiss them when you are proven wrong. The last 5 stats show that Creagh is better, regardless of the difference, he is better.

Hindmarsh, Morrison and Wagon and even Widders can all play 80 min. If Creagh was good enough he would make more metres than he does. I would hardly say Ennis is better than Young. Fuifui Moimoi doesn't get much game time but he was averaging 150m+ for the last 5 games. I guess there goes that argument.
Just because Morrisons stats are a little down for the last 5 games doesn't mean you should dismiss what he did for the rest of the year. Even so he still made more tackles in the last 5 games and the difference between Morrison and Creagh is much greater over the course of the year than the difference between them over the last 5 games.
Even in his last 5 games I would hardly call those stats impressive. They're quite average.
I'm not saying Morrison should necessarily be the replacement. Even Young, Newton, Widders and Watmough would be better options than Creagh.