LOL at some of the moronic Dragons supporters. explain this

[Willow]

Youre missing the point you idiot.

You longnamers certainly stoop to petty insult easily. Another indicator of poor debating skills.

Im not saying they the selectors are always wrong and youre wrong because you agree with them,

Hmmm... actually you said: "That just proves you wrong. The selectors have proven themselves to be idiots time and time again."

Im saying the fact that you need to use the questionable decisions of selectors as your reason why Creagh deserves selection shows how very little he has going for him.

And he just he just keeps going on like that.... you're obviously having trouble expressing yourself but we'll do our best with the literal interpretation of your words.

I never used questionable decisions as a reason why Creagh was selected. You're just making stuff up now. The questionable selections has been your line of argument.

Problem is, you have latched onto one line from me: "I have the national selectors backing me up. Do you?" A statement based on the fact that Creagh was selected. Nothing else to it. Its not rocket science.

You've made to decision to run with it, so much so that its become the cornerstone of whatever silly argument you're trying to mount.

I never said Creagh deserves to be selected solely based on that. Its my view that he was selected because he has had a great year, he has utility value, and he has years ahead of him.

While lucablight is an idiot, hes right about one thing "I haven't heard a single valid reason as to why Creagh should be in the side ahead of Morrison or even Young."

Rubbish, people have been promoting their views but they were simply not the answers he wanted to hear, or the answers you wanted to hear for that matter.

You guys want reasons why Creagh was selected over Morrison but fail to understand that you're asking the wrong people.
Morrison was never in the picture. It wasn't a Creagh vs Morrison thing until some one-eyed parra supps trolled in. No one here really gives a stuff about whether or not Morrison was selected - only you guys do. Do you understand this?

And again, he was never in the train-on squad. Before now, Morrison wasn't even a consideration for most people and he wasn't a consideration in this forum... a nice way of saying no one really gave a rats arse.

Maybe you could stop whinging and saying "TEH SELECTORS ARE GODZ" and have a sensible discussion about why Creagh deserves the spot.

What whinging? :lol: As opposed to your attempt at sensible discussion? Please spare me the hypocrisy.

And you're still making stuff up... and even putting quotations marks. tsk tsk.
Show me anywhere in these forums where I have said the selectors are gods (variations in spelling accepted).

 

[Dragons Cross]

Hindmarsh, Morrison and Wagon and even Widders can all play 80 min.

I very much doubt that Widders could be effective for 80mins

If Creagh was good enough he would make more metres than he does.

Looking at the stats for the season, Creagh made 1357m on 151 hitups for an average of 8.99m per hitup. Morrison made 1900 on 241, average of 7.88m per hitup. I guess there goes that argument.

I would hardly say Ennis is better than Young. Fuifui Moimoi doesn't get much game time but he was averaging 150m+ for the last 5 games. I guess there goes that argument.

What argument? I never said that Moimoi didn't make metres, I said that he couldn't play 80mins.

Even so he still made more tackles in the last 5 games and the difference between Morrison and Creagh is much greater over the course of the year than the difference between them over the last 5 games.

Again, Australia doesn't need tacklers.

Even in his last 5 games I would hardly call those stats impressive. They're quite average.

So Morrison's are less than average? It show's which player is in form.

 

[lucablight]

I very much doubt that Widders could be effective for 80mins

Probably not which is why he is used as an impact player and actually provides impact.

Looking at the stats for the season, Creagh made 1357m on 151 hitups for an average of 8.99m per hitup. Morrison made 1900 on 241, average of 7.88m per hitup. I guess there goes that argument.

It's not about the amount of metres per hitup. It's about the total metres overall. guys like Omeley and Cayless didn't make many metres per hitup but the total amount they made was appreciated.

What argument? I never said that Moimoi didn't make metres, I said that he couldn't play 80mins.

You were trying to justify Creagh not making many metres because he doesn't get much game time. I showed that Fui doesn't either but it doesn't seem to worry him. Obviously Creagh needs to make the game time he gets count more.

Again, Australia doesn't need tacklers.
Quote:

The guy he replaced was Nathan Hindmarsh. One of the biggest workhorses in the game. Morrison plays alot more like Hindmarsh than Creagh. If it's attack you're looking for there are better attacking players such as Widders, Newton and Watmough. Also for the record every team needs tacklers.

So Morrison's are less than average? It show's which player is in form.

We're talking about the entire year. Why last 5 games? Why not last 2 or 3? What's so special about 5? If you look at the stats of both players for the last 5 games neither are spectacular but overall Morrison proved to be the better player.

 

[shanewarneandrewjohnsrox]

You longnamers certainly stoop to petty insult easily. Another indicator of poor debating skills.

Im not trying to debate with you.. that would be wasted effort, youre right though, I am insulting you. Im glad you noticed.;-)

Hmmm... actually you said: "That just proves you wrong. The selectors have proven themselves to be idiots time and time again."
And he just he just keeps going on like that.... you're obviously having trouble expressing yourself but we'll do our best with the literal interpretation of your words.

Ill make it more simple for you.

Youre wrong.
The fact your argument is almost solely based on the deluded selectors agreeing with you highlights that.

What whinging?

Uh.. well everything you say really.:lol:

As opposed to your attempt at sensible discussion? Please spare me the hypocrisy.

Well, there was noone to have a sensible discussion with. You and gregstar are clearly geniused, Dragon Cross is the only person besides lucablight who even tried for one.

 

[Dragons Cross]

Probably not which is why he is used as an impact player and actually provides impact.

So you agree that hes not an 80minute player, which was my point.

It's not about the amount of metres per hitup. It's about the total metres overall. guys like Omeley and Cayless didn't make many metres per hitup but the total amount they made was appreciated.

It is about the amount of metres per hitup actually kiddo. An Oil drum could make metres if he was contstantly rolled at a bunch of people standing ten metres away, it's average would be low but it'd still get those metres. If you look at the average metres per hitup it's a better indication of how effective a player is when he's given the ball. By the way those players you mentioned are both props, not back-rowers, therefore its obvious they are going to make more metres than a back rowere, it's their main priority.

You were trying to justify Creagh not making many metres because he doesn't get much game time. I showed that Fui doesn't either but it doesn't seem to worry him. Obviously Creagh needs to make the game time he gets count more.

All I said was Thuggy wasn't an 80 minute player, he's a prop too so see above.

The guy he replaced was Nathan Hindmarsh. One of the biggest workhorses in the game. Morrison plays alot more like Hindmarsh than Creagh. If it's attack you're looking for there are better attacking players such as Widders, Newton and Watmough. Also for the record every team needs tacklers.

Hindmarsh is a workhorse but he is also a great attacking player, so by losing him the kangaroos need to cover both aspects. Creagh offers a lot more in attack than Morrison and they probably thought that his workrate is good enough, along with the rest of the players in the sqaud, to cover for the loss of Hindmarsh. See your precious stats if you want it confirmed.

We're talking about the entire year. Why last 5 games? Why not last 2 or 3? What's so special about 5? If you look at the stats of both players for the last 5 games neither are spectacular but overall Morrison proved to be the better player.

The last 5 games are a good indicator of form, why take an out of form player over an in-form player? How exactly did Morrison prove to be the better player overall? Did you not read this:

Tackles : GM 29.8, BC 16.8 - Morrison
Offloads : GM 0.8, BC 0.4 - Morrison
Line Breaks : GM 0.2, BC 0.4 - Creagh
Hitups : GM 7.6, BC 8.4 - Creagh
Metres : GM 59.2, BC 67.8 - Creagh
Errors : GM 1.0, BC 0.6 - Creagh
Mistackles : GM 3.6, BC 2.2 - Creagh

 

[Southernsaint]

I can't believe you blokes are wasting your time with this nuffy...

 

[Willow]

Is that it..? Poor effort... just woeful. :lol:

lol @ trolls. You're always the same in the end. Full of selective editing, zero comprehension and bereft of comebacks. Thanks for proving once and for all that you had nothing to offer this discussion.

 

[Dragons Cross]

I can't believe you blokes are wasting your time with this nuffy...

I know what you mean mate, it's like arguing with an 8 year old girl.

 

[gregstar]

Well, there was noone to have a sensible discussion with. You and gregstar are clearly geniused, Dragon Cross is the only person besides lucablight who even tried for one.

why bother reasoning with fools?
what kind of brain-dead buffoon wanders into a dragons forum trying to convince them that one of their players isn't worthy of a rep team?

luca's been p*ssed on because he's basically a mental case. the fact that you've seen fit to justify his stance makes you equally a felchpot.

f*ck off back to a forum that WANTS to have a discussion with you. we'd prefer to wipe our arses with you sweetie.

 

[shanewarneandrewjohnsrox]

lol @ trolls. You're always the same in the end. Full of selective editing, zero comprehension and bereft of comebacks. Thanks for proving once and for all that you had nothing to offer this discussion.

Yeah, you've got your number.

 

[shanewarneandrewjohnsrox]

why bother reasoning with fools?
what kind of brain-dead buffoon wanders into a dragons forum trying to convince them that one of their players isn't worthy of a rep team?

Right, because what kind of sick f**k wants to talk about a dragons player with dragons supporters? Thats just crazy...

 

[gregstar]

nice attempt at logic alphabet.

let me give you the tip

a troll is a troll is a troll.

the broken condom didn't simply wish to dicuss ben creagh with dragons fans & have a communal w*nk did he?

 

[Surely]

I noticed this in one of the threads.


This was followed up by the following quotes by certain "experts"






Well I would like to show you this.

Morrison has 22 appearances and Creagh 21 for 2005
Morrison averages 33.4 tackles a match. Creagh is 17.1
Morrison has 25 offloads to Creaghs 8
Morrison has 4 try assists to Creaghs 0
Morrison has 9 line breaks compared to Creaghs 8
Morrison averages 11 hitups to Creaghs 7.2
Morrison averages 86.4m to Creaghs 64.6m
Morrison misses 2.3 tackles per game compared to Creaghs 2.4
Source: official nrl site

Selective statistics, some are averages some are total, I see you wear an XL jumper, are you Kim Beasley.

Just perusing the NRL stats and using your method, I could prove Bird is a better player than Morrison, but then that would be being silly wouldn't it.

 

[Ribs]

Tackles : GM 29.8, BC 16.8 - Morrison
Offloads : GM 0.8, BC 0.4 - Morrison
Line Breaks : GM 0.2, BC 0.4 - Creagh
Hitups : GM 7.6, BC 8.4 - Creagh
Metres : GM 59.2, BC 67.8 - Creagh
Errors : GM 1.0, BC 0.6 - Creagh
Mistackles : GM 3.6, BC 2.2 - Creagh

Mung nuts, you should have just walked after seeing these stats, considering you're a stat bitch.

Creagh plays like Tallis did when he was young, with a little less raw aggression but as effective. Ive been looking forward to watching him play rep footy since seeing him hammer blokes in reserve grade last season.

Why dont you ring up your mate Morrison and watch the tri nations on tv with him. Might cheer you both up. Until then, take a long walk off a short pier and shut the f*ck up.

 

[The Preacher]

Get back to your caravan park Luca, and, on the way, buy your Mrs. some teeth !!
Your statement has NO creedence, you wouldn't know a football if it hit you in the head. As far as recognising talent, you wouldn't know sh*t from clay if you tasted it.

 

[Ribs]

Im thinking he needed an XL parra jumper to mop up all those tears.

 

[AshMang]

i cant believe i just sat here and read all of that.. im definately dumber for the experience. there are definately some crazed people in this world of ours. p.s creagh is better than morrison

 

[wildmooka]

I guess they're claiming Morrison as their own too! Goddam club s**t!

 

[wildmooka]

My bad. Should I have said Goddam club hussy?

 

[Ribs]

A dirty player hussy at that.