Lomu

[Madsharkie]

As for Lomu, I vaguely recall that he handled twice for as many errors, then was quickly taken off. Did nothing and I hope that is not a sign of things to come next year.

If the rumours are true about his relationship with Ricky, you could probably understand why he wasn't playing well. If you're not happy, you're not going to play well. I hope Ando was responsible for signing him, at least that way he may get a run in first grade. If Ando didn't sign him, he may languish around in divvy for years to come...

To be honest, when it was announced that we signed him i wasn't excited at all, i don't rate him (yet). But i'll be happy to eat my words if he performs next season.

 

[millersnose]

On lomu i have seen him have some big games

lately he has been quiet

the potential is there what actually happens is the usual gamble when signing new players

i wouldnt be too concerned with reefies negative comments

did anyone expect reefy to say " hey ando is on a winner here!!! "

 

[blacktip-reefy]

i dont know what happened here reefy

all i know is that it was my fault

i think i edited you instead of quoting you

dam sorry about that

Preston a liability that would lose them the match etc.

:lol: :lol:
did i actually say this or have you just added a few words

Do you remember 1 one on one from Morley? That is because there were none.

yes there were plenty

and plenty more where he was first in

I have never seen Morley play live.

well first round 2004 i am shouting you to the first roosters match so you can see for yourself and dont have to rely on clerk with a clipboard to tell you who is a good player.

 

[millersnose]

a thousand apologies

the above post by reefy was lost as i accidently hit edit instead of quote on my reply

 

[blacktip-reefy]

It's Ok Millers.
When I argue with you & Frenzy I always keep a copy.
:lol:

actually reefy last year you predicted a warriors win this year i predicted an easts win

hardly a battering ...but if the claim makes you feel better.

I was talking more of Panthers comments all through the year, poor defense, Preston a liability that would lose them the match etc.
& now siding yourself with Mcarthy & anderson & as justification for an opinion on a player.

a tackle count doesnt tell the whole story
the effectiveness of those tackles is the important thing

then why does PC cop such a baggin from you? Surely the 6 times he chased down mini, the 4 times he got Fitz & the twice he got morley, & the one time he cracked moreley, must count??!!
all one on one!!!
Do you remember 1 one on one from Morley? That is because there were none. two tackles of his all night hurt anyone. & they both should be on report because you are right. They were dazed from a direct shot to the head.

Villasanti hits harder, more often & people dont get dazed. They dont come back on the field. Ask Webcke. Villa also offloads. Morley cant. Villa kicks. morley can't. Villa makes many more metres than morley.
Villa hits Fittler. Morley(from behind fitz) hits Villa, Villas smashes Morley(not seen again in the game)

Now we go to the Broncos.
Webcke & Civo. Morley better than those two?? Give me a break!! They are both so far ahead of him in every area of the game it is not funny. Tackles, hitups, metres & OFFLOADS.
Now Newcastle
Oh why bother, the stats tell the picture completely & still 10 teams to go.
But hey, Ray Warren loves MMMooorrley.

all opinion

morley plays to a succsesful game plan

a roll on and quick play the ball is as important as a couple of meters as evidenced by the roosters appearing in the last 2 grand finals.

are you actually going to make me go to the stats.
So Tackles aren't everything, now offloads aren't everything, metres aren't everything...........

you seem to have an agenda to call morleys hits "from behind" - surely this is an insult to our intelligence as he is a front on defence specialist

I have never seen Morley play live.
Always been suspended for his cheap high shots.
So I can only go off what I see & where he runs from. Of course it is not from behind, but it is not from in-line in front either. He leaves that for the others. he comes in from the side & is leaving the line so early it is just flabbergasting. Takes them by surprise.
hey it is good for telly & good to watch.
But even Villa outshines & outhits him.
& that is not opinion as the NRL players rate Meli & Villa the biggest hardest hitters.
Well, I guess it is their opinion.
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[millersnose]

reefy wrote:
Preston a liability that would lose them the match etc.

did i actually say this or have you just added a few words

Do you remember 1 one on one from Morley? That is because there were none.

yes there were plenty

and plenty more where he was first in

I have never seen Morley play live.

well first round 2004 i am shouting you to the first roosters match so you can see for yourself and dont have to rely on clerk with a clipboard to tell you who is a good player.

 

[Coastal Shark]

i actually agree with most of the things BTR has said about Morley. During the season I got sick and tired of watching him perform another
'toughman' hit - to the head or jaw area.

Certain sections of the media seem to love the way he plays. For me - most of his hits are either high or very very borderline. But then again he plays for the cheque book chooks and they seem to get away with a lot!!

I'd love to see Morley line up against a real hardman like Bundy Davidson or David Furner. Now that alone would be worth the price of admission. One of his trade mark high shots on either of these two and I think he would find himself in a world of hurt.

Or take him back further - Cliff Watson, The Tamati Brothers or Steve Bowden. Now we're talking tough and painful.

 

[blacktip-reefy]

Exactly.
there is a reason few of the Props(great) are reluctant to sing his(&Villas) praises.
For mine, he needs to remove the ridiculous "big hits" out of his game. Or at least put some other skills in his game. Like offloading.

It looks good on telly, but there is no substance to it, & mostly illegal.

he is good enough to not have to do it.

 

[King of the Hill]

Blocker for one has sung the praises of both Morley and Villasanti.

 

[King of the Hill]

From the SMH site:

Some fans noticed Morley solely for his stinging body slams; but the train commentators appeared to know about work rates.

Morley was replaced - briefly - just once. Yet he made 38 tackles, most of which were fierce collisions that left Penrith players scattered across the field. He also covered plenty of territory when he hit up the ball 14 times.

Only fellow second-rower Craig Fitzgibbon had better statistics.

Fitzgibbon traditionally plays the role of butler in a mansion - cleaning up for the more glitzy residents of the club - but the damage Morley inflicted meant he would have been Man of the Match had the Roosters won.

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Which sucks because I had $10 on him for the CC medal at 13/1.

 

[blacktip-reefy]

Blocker hhhmmmmm.
Has there ever been a better player that any front rower according to him.

He gives guys rapps for how big they are.

But I have not seen a quote from Blocker on morley. I could be wrong on that.
And Blocker has links to Villa going back to Balmain, Where Villa (lives).

 

[++ Gregos v.4]

It's the timing on the calls. Morley shoots, but not every play.. there is a HUGE advantage in having shooters in defence, as long as its done correctly and the communication is there amongst the defensive line.

You say its cheap from side on? I say it's perspective BTR.

It's all about the angles on a shooter.. you pick your angles on a shoot correctly and the attacker often doesn't see it coming. With minimal effort you can at the very least come up with some dominant tackles, not to mention the pressure that shooters can put on.

But its a tactic.. and not infalliable..

Maybe Morley was having an off night on the GF. Maybe he didn't have some of his angles right..

It's easy to spot a good attacker having an off night.. remember, there are defensive players out there too (Not just big hitters) who have off nights aswell.

 

[King of the Hill]

I've heard Blocker rave on about Morley on 2GB.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,2662185a7613,00.html

Former Kangaroos prop Steve Roach is already convinced the man dubbed "Villa the Gorilla" could handle test football.

"He's tough, uncompromising and not afraid. He'll take anyone on, he's a tough man," Roach said, adding he hoped for a Warriors-Roosters grand final replay on October 5.

"I'm a real fan of (Roosters' English forward) Adrian Morley but the one bloke who will take him on is Villasanti. If the Warriors make the grand final he should be picked for the Kangaroos tour.

 

[SadShark]

Morley and Villa don't play for the Sharks. Beattie, Stevens, Nutley and now Lomu do. If Beattie and Stevens want to turn up and play next year, they are more than welcome.

Extra joy will be had by Sharks fans if they bring their hearts with them too.

 

[blacktip-reefy]

It's the timing on the calls. Morley shoots, but not every play.. there is a HUGE advantage in having shooters in defence, as long as its done correctly and the communication is there amongst the defensive line.

You say its cheap from side on? I say it's perspective BTR.

It's all about the angles on a shooter.. you pick your angles on a shoot correctly and the attacker often doesn't see it coming. With minimal effort you can at the very least come up with some dominant tackles, not to mention the pressure that shooters can put on.

But its a tactic.. and not infalliable..

Maybe Morley was having an off night on the GF. Maybe he didn't have some of his angles right..

It's easy to spot a good attacker having an off night.. remember, there are defensive players out there too (Not just big hitters) who have off nights aswell.

Good points

 

[millersnose]

Maybe Morley was having an off night on the GF.

well geezuz

if that was an off night i hope the sharks sign him and he plays an off night every game!!!!

 

[++ Gregos v.4]

Not really the point I was trying to make mate :?

 

[Frenzy]

It's Ok Millers.
When I argue with you & Frenzy I always keep a copy.
:lol:

And they said we'd never make it millers :lol: :lol:

Not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted - Albert Einstein

 

[Foz]

Morley won the Roosters player of the year tonight.

 

[Coastal Shark]

Morley won the Roosters player of the year tonight.

Good on him. I would suggest that this might tell you a little more about the people around him. I would have thought Fittler or Wing might have won it. Afterall, they have won without Morley but they don't go real well with Fittler off the field.

The Roosters sing the praises of Morley the hardman and his hits, but when Fittler was hit by Villasanti (last year?) I'm positive that you could hear Goose et al whinging here in Qld.

And, being an ex-prop/2nd rower and having dished out plenty and copped plenty more, I stand by my original - most of his hits are either illegal or very very borderline, particularly in this day and age when anything above the chest is usually penalised. Then again I'm applying the one rule for all theory and we all know that doesn't happen.