Loyalty

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Not sure this is the direction the OP intended, but its not like this "loyalty" issue is a recent trend in professional sports or League though, its been happening since the late 60's at least.

What is loyalty anyway, if a player who has been at a club for 10 years gets an downgraded contract, that he feels is insulting and decides to go elsewhere for more cash is that "disloyal"?

What about sports with drafts? AFL, NBA, NFL etc. your loyalty is up for grabs, you play all your juniors in a certain area, club system etc. and then suddenly your a moved 1000km away to play for a team.

I wonder do fans get upset in those sports? "Oh we went to the trouble of drafting him, now he is leaving"???

As a big nba fan i can say they definately do, though not to the scale that we do in the nrl. Small market teams are always losing stars that they have drafted after about three or four years. Its just the ways it is, stars wanna play in big market teams or contenders and big market teams want big stars, the fans of the small teams go through this regularly.

Cleveland couldnt even keep their hometown star who was handed the keys straight out of highschool.

 

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As a big nba fan i can say they definately do, though not to the scale that we do in the nrl. Small market teams are always losing stars that they have drafted after about three or four years. Its just the ways it is, stars wanna play in big market teams or contenders and big market teams want big stars, the fans of the small teams go through this regularly.

Cleveland couldnt even keep their hometown star who was handed the keys straight out of highschool.

while the decision was asinine,can't blame him for leaving cleveland
so sick of the nba owners especially dan gilbert,totally agree with wilbon
http://espn.go.com/espn/commentary/...s-look-vindictive-petty-veto-chris-paul-trade

 

[DoggiesBro]

while the decision was asinine,can't blame him for leaving cleveland
so sick of the nba owners especially dan gilbert,totally agree with wilbon
http://espn.go.com/espn/commentary/...s-look-vindictive-petty-veto-chris-paul-trade

In defense of Lebron and Carmelo and players like that, even Dwight now its understandable. For them it isn't so much about money, as they get max deals anywhere it's more about the fact they want to win a title. James told Cavs to put pieces around him and they constantly added average players. Never tried or were prepared to land another star. Shaq was passed his best when he got there and blokes like Mo Williams arent going to win a title. This is why now you see James, Bosh, Wade. Gasol, Bryant. Stoudemire, Melo, Chandler. It's why Paul wanted out, it's why Dwight will too.

Though i've always felt Bosh and Wade cop it so much worse then say Gasol, or Melo now. Also think people over look that the Celtics are the real recent reason it's happened. Allen and Garnett teamed up with Peirce to win their ring. Noone blamed them and in honesty you can't question the loyalty they showed their clubs. Although in saying that it was always happening before that Pippen, Jordan, Rodman. Malone, Stockton. Shaq & Kobe. Wade & Shaq.

I think Melo was great to Denver, as James was to Cavs but when it came to it, a little less money and a ring shot means alot more, especially when they will make that money up in sponsors anyway.

 

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In defense of Lebron and Carmelo and players like that, even Dwight now its understandable. For them it isn't so much about money, as they get max deals anywhere it's more about the fact they want to win a title. James told Cavs to put pieces around him and they constantly added average players. Never tried or were prepared to land another star. Shaq was passed his best when he got there and blokes like Mo Williams arent going to win a title. This is why now you see James, Bosh, Wade. Gasol, Bryant. Stoudemire, Melo, Chandler. It's why Paul wanted out, it's why Dwight will too.

Though i've always felt Bosh and Wade cop it so much worse then say Gasol, or Melo now. Also think people over look that the Celtics are the real recent reason it's happened. Allen and Garnett teamed up with Peirce to win their ring. Noone blamed them and in honesty you can't question the loyalty they showed their clubs. Although in saying that it was always happening before that Pippen, Jordan, Rodman. Malone, Stockton. Shaq & Kobe. Wade & Shaq.

I think Melo was great to Denver, as James was to Cavs but when it came to it, a little less money and a ring shot means alot more, especially when they will make that money up in sponsors anyway.

Agree completly and i dont blame the players at all just think that lebrons 2 hour special on espn was asinine
but i dont blame him for teaming up with wade and bosh in miami just take a look at what cleveland had done since drafting him
http://weaksideawareness.wordpress.com/2011/12/19/review-why-top-nba-stars-left-their-teams/#more-1247 some awful decisions in there
dan gilbert is the worst owner in the NBA and that's saying something as the NBA owners (not all but most anyway) are the biggest bunch of morons in pro sports watch them start bitching and whining over the cba that they just signed off on

 

[DoggiesBro]

Agree completly and i dont blame the players at all just think that lebrons 2 hour special on espn was asinine
but i dont blame him for teaming up with wade and bosh in miami just take a look at what cleveland had done since drafting him
http://weaksideawareness.wordpress.com/2011/12/19/review-why-top-nba-stars-left-their-teams/#more-1247 some awful decisions in there
dan gilbert is the worst owner in the NBA and that's saying something as the NBA owners (not all but most anyway) are the biggest bunch of morons in pro sports watch them start bitching and whining over the cba that they just signed off on

Yeah i think the espn 2 hour crap was a lot of dribble. Though i'm not sure if it was Lebrons way of trying to explain and reason with fans so they didn't feel so betrayed i think he honestly cares and if gilbert had of put pieces around him like boston did and like la did for kobe i'm sure he would of stayed a 1 team player. The stupid thing was he kept doing the same dumb moves. Picking up older vets who weren't what they were or people who was clear as day not a superstar or even a star to help James enough. People can bag him and Bosh all they want but i think the Heat have done an amazing move and over the next 5 years will see multiple titles and be the first team since Bulls with Jordan, Rodman, Pippen etc to really form some kind of legacy, and this will attract people like Battier etc who are good solid players and will play there for a title on alot less then they could get. Celtics only got 1 title out of it and there run is to late, Lakers aren't going to pick another one up anytime soon even if they land dwight. New York need Baron Davis to play like he did for Warriors or they are no hope and all this talk about defense improvement Stat & Melo were disgusting in d last night vs LA. Miami look like they will sweep anyone right now perhaps with an exception to Bulls and OKC and i really hope those kids go well. Respect what Rose has done but in saying that look at how they added Boozer to help along with a pretty solid stable roster. IF James got that he would of stayed in my opinion.

 

[DoggiesBro]

Wrong. 2 year suspension that was honoured by the NRL

Wrong again gimp. He was playing for Leicester when he joined the tigers
You genius. he played 4 tests. Union couldnt manage his shoulder injury so he returned after Ozzy approached him to rejoin Parramatta - well before his last Yawnion games.

He asked for a release - yes. That is a lit different from not being wanted you f*cking stupid private school lights-out-in-the-dorm gang bang the boy with glasses brainless geniused twat!!!!!!!!

OK. I can play that game. Wendel and Lote only went to Union because Brisbane didnt want them and neither did any other club..............

With a brain like yours I am certain that someone has to feed you, and wipe your arse for you.........:crazy:


WTF is this sh*t? Gridiron? That's almost as Julian Clary as AFL.

Can some forum mods with balls (ie not Timmah) ban these inferior sport loving f*cktards from bringing their drivel here? Surely there is a Cess Pit Club where these posts can be flung?

:lol::lol::lol:

It's nba you spastic if you dont know who Shaq or Lebron James are i'm going to guess you don't know much about sports.

The part in bold sounds as if your a raging homosexual.

Someone else and myself were discussing the loyalty of game and NBA was compared it was further discussed. Get a clue you muppet.

 

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In defense of Lebron and Carmelo and players like that, even Dwight now its understandable. For them it isn't so much about money, as they get max deals anywhere it's more about the fact they want to win a title. James told Cavs to put pieces around him and they constantly added average players. Never tried or were prepared to land another star. Shaq was passed his best when he got there and blokes like Mo Williams arent going to win a title. This is why now you see James, Bosh, Wade. Gasol, Bryant. Stoudemire, Melo, Chandler. It's why Paul wanted out, it's why Dwight will too.

Though i've always felt Bosh and Wade cop it so much worse then say Gasol, or Melo now. Also think people over look that the Celtics are the real recent reason it's happened. Allen and Garnett teamed up with Peirce to win their ring. Noone blamed them and in honesty you can't question the loyalty they showed their clubs. Although in saying that it was always happening before that Pippen, Jordan, Rodman. Malone, Stockton. Shaq & Kobe. Wade & Shaq.

I think Melo was great to Denver, as James was to Cavs but when it came to it, a little less money and a ring shot means alot more, especially when they will make that money up in sponsors anyway.

It happened before but it was never this ridiculous. Stars are straight demanding to be traded now unless they have another 1 or 2 all stars on their team. The "decision" drama from was disgusting imo.

On another unrelated note, i heard Dwight Howard is reluctant to go to Chicago because he is worried about how it will effect his shoe deal financially(Derrick Rose is already at Chicago and signed with addidas like Dwight). It was either that or addidas didnt want him to go to Chi and have their two biggest stars in the same city. I hope that shit aint true.

 

[DoggiesBro]

It happened before but it was never this ridiculous. Stars are straight demanding to be traded now unless they have another 1 or 2 all stars on their team. The "decision" drama from was disgusting imo.

On another unrelated note, i heard Dwight Howard is reluctant to go to Chicago because he is worried about how it will effect his shoe deal financially(Derrick Rose is already at Chicago and signed with addidas like Dwight). It was either that or addidas didnt want him to go to Chi and have their two biggest stars in the same city. I hope that shit aint true.

Dwight won't be going to chiacgo, it would kill the bulls with trading a major part of the soul of that team in noah, nor realistically can they afford to get him in.

I hate to say it but Howard to LA Lakers is most likely option due to the fact they have some pieces to make the trade attractive. Although it just comes down to how much Dwight wan'ts to be SHAQ version 2.

 

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Dwight won't be going to chiacgo, it would kill the bulls with trading a major part of the soul of that team in noah, nor realistically can they afford to get him in.

I hate to say it but Howard to LA Lakers is most likely option due to the fact they have some pieces to make the trade attractive. Although it just comes down to how much Dwight wan'ts to be SHAQ version 2.

I know we shouldnt be talking about this here but i cannot agree with that statement at all. Dwight and Rose on the same team is a better one two punch then any in the league currently, almost gaurentees a championship. Noah is good but Dwight is(alot) better then him in all aspects of the game bar maybe hustle, no way the bulls dont make that trade cause of Noah, it would come down to what else they had to give up. Im not saying Chicago is likely just that it would be sick.

The Lakers wont give up Bynum and Gasol for Dwight, they already said that, i cant see orlando making a trade that doesnt include both of them, plus they gave away lamar odom for nothing so who would start at the four if they did trade away Gasol + Bynum?

 

[DoggiesBro]

I know we shouldnt be talking about this here but i cannot agree with that statement at all. Dwight and Rose on the same team is a better one two punch then any in the league currently, almost gaurentees a championship. Noah is good but Dwight is(alot) better then him in all aspects of the game bar maybe hustle, no way the bulls dont make that trade cause of Noah, it would come down to what else they had to give up. Im not saying Chicago is likely just that it would be sick.

The Lakers wont give up Bynum and Gasol for Dwight, they already said that, i cant see orlando making a trade that doesnt include both of them, plus they gave away lamar odom for nothing so who would start at the four if they did trade away Gasol + Bynum?

They were planning to offer Bynum & Gasol for Dwight awhile ago. They offered Odom & Gasol for Paul mate and Howard is a better player then Paul and they wouldn't need Bynum if they landed Howard.

I agree Bulls SHOULD trade for howard but there is no way it will happen. Bulls fans love noah and he has voiced his opinion multiple times about a trade, if they traded him rose and alot of other players would be filthy they are actually building a loyal club focus there. Bulls do have some pieces that could make it attractive i just don't think that will happen.

Howard is worth 10000x Bynum.

 

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http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...ol-bynum-for-howard-but-should-we-believe-him

 

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They were planning to offer Bynum & Gasol for Dwight awhile ago. They offered Odom & Gasol for Paul mate and Howard is a better player then Paul and they wouldn't need Bynum if they landed Howard.

I agree Bulls SHOULD trade for howard but there is no way it will happen. Bulls fans love noah and he has voiced his opinion multiple times about a trade, if they traded him rose and alot of other players would be filthy they are actually building a loyal club focus there. Bulls do have some pieces that could make it attractive i just don't think that will happen.

is worth 10000x Bynum.

Hahaha you say that like its fact, but obviously the Lakers value Paul more then Howard. And how do you even compare the two positions? they are the most unsimilar roles on the court. Both are currently the best at their position, for you to flat out state Howard as better then Paul is ridiculous. Its a ridiculous comparison to make.

 

[DoggiesBro]

Hahaha you say that like its fact, but obviously the Lakers value Paul more then Howard. And how do you even compare the two positions? they are the most unsimilar roles on the court. Both are currently the best at their position, for you to flat out state Howard as better then Paul is ridiculous. Its a ridiculous comparison to make.

I don't mean as in talent or ability i mean as in importance to a team and in all honesty there is not one centre CLOSE to howard, while there are several point guards close to Paul. Not to mention that Paul is fairly injury proned compared to Howard.

Answer this if you were to be a GM and looking at landing a star who is your top pick outside of say James and Kobe? Wade? Durant? Howard! I'd pick all them ahead of Paul and maybe even a couple of other guys like Melo and possible Stat.

 

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I don't mean as in talent or ability i mean as in importance to a team and in all honesty there is not one centre CLOSE to howard, while there are several point guards close to Paul. Not to mention that Paul is fairly injury proned compared to Howard.

Answer this if you were to be a GM and looking at landing a star who is your top pick outside of say James and Kobe? Wade? Durant? Howard! I'd pick all them ahead of Paul and maybe even a couple of other guys like Melo and possible Stat.

Id pick Paul over Wade and Bryant.

My order would be something like Durant, James, Howard, Paul, Rose, Wade, Bryant.

Durant over James is just personal really, i dont like LBJ.

 

[DoggiesBro]

Id pick Paul over Wade and Bryant.

My order would be something like Durant, James, Howard, Paul, Rose, Wade, Bryant.

Durant over James is just personal really, i dont like LBJ.

Point stands then

As for the rest i can understand not liking him though James is the best player overall by a fair way i think now days.

Kobe is getting older so i would understand picking him lower down the league in terms of youth.

I'd take James then probz Howard followed by Wade Durant Melo Stat Rose Paul and in saying that i forgot about Rose i would consider him the best Point Guard ahead of Paul.

 

[betcats]

Point stands then

As for the rest i can understand not liking him though James is the best player overall by a fair way i think now days.

Kobe is getting older so i would understand picking him lower down the league in terms of youth.

I'd take James then probz Howard followed by Wade Durant Melo Stat Rose Paul and in saying that i forgot about Rose i would consider him the best Point Guard ahead of Paul.

Im not arguing either way in terms of whose better i just dont think you can call it either way, depends what your team needs. In the situation you described(draft) howard is made more valuable because of the lack of good big men in the league.

As for Paul v Rose, you might be right, Rose definatly had a better season but id like to see how this season goes. Rose assists numbers are still a bit low for a top notch pg.