Luai the tigepie.

[WA Tiger]

1 day, 1 month, 1 year, what’s a rugby league contract worth today anyway?
Clubs and coaches are happy to rip em up as they see fit.

Exactly. Everyone’s got a get out clause in their contract now. Weather it’s written or not.

 

[WA Tiger]

I'd say the worst case is he leaves and the joint implodes.
Back to square one.

If Luai cant make a difference in 2 years then lucky he’s not here for 5

 

[Tiger05]

If Luai cant make a difference in 2 years then lucky he’s not here for 5

This isn't the problem though. It's better if he goes if he doesn't perform. If he fails though he'll stay around.

 

[WA Tiger]

This isn't the problem though. It's better if he goes if he doesn't perform. If he fails though he'll stay around.

And not just because of his performance on the field..Everyone thinks his personality is god like for this team. It may be but, He just may not fit. He May ruffle the wrong feathers..He was at the panthers with a whole bunch of strong personalities maybe why it worked for him there, but his “foundation” personality is a bit sketchy. Hence all the drama over the last couple of years. He’s definitely matured and improved his play but under the blow torch?

 

[Nutz]

1 day, 1 month, 1 year, what’s a rugby league contract worth today anyway?
Clubs and coaches are happy to rip em up as they see fit.

It's farcical.
The NRL needs to step in and protect their product as player managers are making a mockery of contracts.
The cooling off period was a joke.
The salary cap transparency is a joke.
Contract options are a joke.
With the amount of money these guys are on, you would expect them to bleed for the club and their fans. Instead it's us that are bleeding.
There's a shite load of money that isn't disclosed like TPA's too and all those allowances.
What does it take before we see some old fashioned loyalty.

 

[WA Tiger]

And not just because of his performance on the field..Everyone thinks his personality is god like for this team. It may be but, He just may not fit. He May ruffle the wrong feathers..He was at the panthers with a whole bunch of strong personalities maybe why it worked for him there, but his “foundation” personality is a bit sketchy. Hence all the drama over the last couple of years. He’s definitely matured and improved his play but under the blow torch?

Even Luai must have some massive doubts how he will handle it. Which on top of everything else may have contributed to including the clause ..

 

[WA Tiger]

Don’t worry Nutz I’ve got flowers growing out of my arse, so I’m allowed to veer off the lovely path

 

[Tiger Ted]

It's farcical.
The NRL needs to step in and protect their product as player managers are making a mockery of contracts.
The cooling off period was a joke.
The salary cap transparency is a joke.
Contract options are a joke.
With the amount of money these guys are on, you would expect them to bleed for the club and their fans. Instead it's us that are bleeding.
There's a shite load of money that isn't disclosed like TPA's too and all those allowances.
What does it take before we see some old fashioned loyalty.

Player managers have been a bane on the game for yrs yet the spineless & pretentious NRL hierarchy continue to allow the grubs like the wretched Isaac the rodent Moses to run roughshod over forlorn fan bases like ours whose support allows the NRL to command mega $ via media rights

 

[Das Hassler]

This isn't the problem though. It's better if he goes if he doesn't perform. If he fails though he'll stay around.

OK but wasn't the issue his having an option for the last 3 years? So let's suppose we had got him for the 5 years with no player option ( insert everyone cheering emoji here) . He stiffs and exercises his option and stays ( your fear)...he stiffs and he's locked into a contract and stays....what's the difference?!
The only arguable thing to worry about is he demonstrably SUCCEEDS in the first 2 years without winning a comp and he leaves with his promise to everyone and himself unfulfilled ....not likely

 

[Tiger05]

OK but wasn't the issue his having an option for the last 3 years? So let's suppose we had got him for the 5 years with no player option ( insert everyone cheering emoji here) . He stiffs and exercises his option and stays ( your fear)...he stiffs and he's locked into a contract and stays....what's the difference?!

Worst case - you are correct. Worst case he stays and we pay top dollar for an under performing player for 5 years. The option makes no difference.

In all other scenarios though we may be screwed. I'm not saying we will either. It's just a possibility.

It's an option but it's a stupid option because Luai is completely covered and he has given up nothing at all to be completely covered.

I seriously think it's the dumbest contract I've seen in my life and there is no excuse for it other than incompetence.

Did you read about the Bula contract. That makes sense to me but the pay seems too high and the difference between Bula exercising it and us exercising it isn't much. So that contract isn't a good deal. At least that contract makes sense though in that Bula gives up something for an additional year and we get covered as well.

If you though want to believe it's a good contract it's cool. I just can't see how anyone can rationally justify that contract.

The only arguable thing to worry about is he demonstrably SUCCEEDS in the first 2 years without winning a comp and he leaves with his promise to everyone and himself unfulfilled ....not likely

I don't believe this at all. He can choose to leave for any reason. He can request for more money. He can go to market. Lot's can happen. It's not an either/or situation.

 

[Tigerm]

I can live with either, 2 or 5 years.
But Richo said he would be open and honest and it doesn’t appear he was.
Did players sign here, thinking he was here for 5 years?
Will they care or think they’ve been shafted?
Will he only stay if Benji stays?
Anyway, we need to start winning and make him want to stay.

 

[Das Hassler]

Worst case - you are correct. Worst case he stays and we pay top dollar for an under performing player for 5 years. The option makes no difference.

In all other scenarios though we may be screwed. I'm not saying we will either. It's just a possibility.

It's an option but it's a stupid option because Luai is completely covered and he has given up nothing at all to be completely covered.

I seriously think it's the dumbest contract I've seen in my life and there is no excuse for it other than incompetence.

Did you read about the Bula contract. That makes sense to me but the pay seems too high and the difference between Bula exercising it and us exercising it isn't much. So that contract isn't a good deal. At least that contract makes sense though in that Bula gives up something for an additional year and we get covered as well.

If you though want to believe it's a good contract it's cool. I just can't see how anyone can rationally justify that contract.



I don't believe this at all. He can choose to leave for any reason. He can request for more money. He can go to market. Lot's can happen. It's not an either/or situation.

The last part you quoted me on....you're not comprehending what I said....I know he can leave for any reason....I could also die for any reason in the next 24 hours that include the only crocodile to have ever walked down to sydney or a hubcap from the ISS hitting me on the head but I'll confine my concerns to the realistically possible/probable. Luai would not have decided to waste even 2 years coming to WT only to leave for more dollars when his pay is probably already only second to Nathan or to go somewhere to win another great odds premiership when he already decided to test himself the hard way.

 

[Das Hassler]

Anyway, we need to start winning and make him want to stay.

Exactly....there ya go!

 

[Tiger05]

The last part you quoted me on....you're not comprehending what I said....I know he can leave for any reason....I could also die for any reason in the next 24 hours that include the only crocodile to have ever walked down to sydney or a hubcap from the ISS hitting me on the head but I'll confine my concerns to the realistically possible/probable. Luai would not have decided to waste even 2 years coming to WT only to leave for more dollars when his pay is probably already only second to Nathan or to go somewhere to win another great odds premiership when he already decided to test himself the hard way.

I understood you completely the first time. I just don't agree with you. You are making out you know his character personally and how he will act in 2 years time.

I don't believe anyone has that ability.

I honestly don't give a shit though because I'm all in on next season. Two seasons is a long time. Let's see what happens. I reckon we are going to have a good year.

 

[Nutz]

Player managers have been a bane on the game for yrs yet the spineless & pretentious NRL hierarchy continue to allow the grubs like the wretched Isaac the rodent Moses to run roughshod over forlorn fan bases like ours whose support allows the NRL to command mega $ via media rights

Moses is definitely not on your Christmas list.

 

[WA Tiger]

. Two seasons is a long time. Let's see what happens. I reckon we are going to have a good year.

And there you go.. 2 years is a very long time.. we only had 1 spoon 2 years ago .. bottom line Luai’s here for two years the teams looking solid.. A lot better than it was way back then ..Top 8 has to be a lot more achievable now..there’s always negatives wherever you look. Its what you dwell on that matters

 

[Das Hassler]

You are making out you know his character personally and how he will act in 2 years time.

No...I'm absolutely not intending to suggest I know his character personally. Do you know the personal character of everybody or indeed anybody you vote for or against? I'm sure you only use your "all of life's lessons" hunches when you do. I'm just going by his own publicly available words and actions since before and after his signing.

 

[Das Hassler]

Hey 05....here's a genuine question....if you were sitting in Richo's chair during the contract discussions between the ( at the time) 3 times premiership winning/ SOO 5/8 and your twice wooden spoon club..how would you have handled it to get what's best for us with an at least 51% chance of getting what you want ?

 

[Tiger05]

Hey 05....here's a genuine question....if you were sitting in Richo's chair during the contract discussions between the ( at the time) 3 times premiership winning/ SOO 5/8 and your twice wooden spoon club..how would you have handled it to get what's best for us with an at least 51% chance of getting what you want ?

A couple of points:-

1. I don't think I would do that contract but you have to be serious here. There is an incentive to do what Richo did because you are pushing shit out 2 years and it's a future problem rather than a now problem. I like to think that I wouldn't do it though. It's stupid. I think the better option is to face that shit as early as possible.
2. If I did that contract which I still think is ridiculously dumb I like to think I'd at least be honest about it and admit it like a man.

I'm not a hard man but I know a couple of people my age (relatively old) who are hard men. They wouldn't stand for that shit. One is a business man I worked with and the other was a MMA fighter. They are both friends although I don't see the business man anymore.

The problem with your comment is that and it's similar to what I'm stating about judging Luai's character is that I can see why you do the dodgy deal and I don't trust myself. There is no way I'm trusting Luai who I don't know from a bar of soap.

If I'm being honest I think the salary we offered was more than enough. We have certain advantages because we are close to Penrith and we can offer the money. It's also so much money he might find it hard to get that money again. In stating that let's see what happens. Cleary might leave Penrith and they go and offer him the same deal or something similar. The Rorters could offer a tonne. Stef left and his contract was a lot less in his favor than Luai's is.

 

[Tiger05]

And there you go.. 2 years is a very long time.. we only had 1 spoon 2 years ago .. bottom line Luai’s here for two years the teams looking solid.. A lot better than it was way back then ..Top 8 has to be a lot more achievable now..there’s always negatives wherever you look. Its what you dwell on that matters

I agree. We also have Sullivan, Galvin and Latu on our books. Two seasons is a long time. A lot can happen.

Next year should hopefully be a big year for us.