Luai

[Chins get the wins]

I can't even remember the last time I went "f**k me how good is Luai going, he's the best on the field today"
Probably not since playing for Samoa.

Luai is a good not great player

 

[luv my panfas]

An offer has been made just hasn't been accepted yet. That is the key. Once accepted, the clock starts for renegotiation for a backflip. If he wishes too.

His management is playing games atm.

Under the new rules. Once an offer has been accepted it is then lodged with the NRL for approval. Then we have 10 days to respond for a backflip.
We won't know what a rival club has offered though. That remains private.

I cant see him doing anything until Nathans back My gut feeling is he stays

 

[Luke Bowden]

I can't even remember the last time I went "f**k me how good is Luai going, he's the best on the field today"
Probably not since playing for Samoa.

Luai is a good not great player

Why does he have to be the best player on the park?

 

[jane the pain]

An offer has been made just hasn't been accepted yet. That is the key. Once accepted, the clock starts for renegotiation for a backflip. If he wishes too.

His management is playing games atm.

Under the new rules. Once an offer has been accepted it is then lodged with the NRL for approval. Then we have 10 days to respond for a backflip.
We won't know what a rival club has offered though. That remains private.

Between the Panthers and the tigers, or the tigers and the Bulldogs?

 

[Chins get the wins]

Why does he have to be the best player on the park?

For 850k a year that should happen occasionally

 

[Kilkenny]

A four year deal effectively means he is contracted for the next five years.

Five years is a long time in the NRL, injuries, form no one can say for sure Jerome will be performing at the same level in 2 years never mind five years.

At the same time there is the junior nursery to consider and what happens if we unearth one or two kids who may be the equal Jerome or better. We have to let them go or lose them because of the long term deal Jerome is on.

I love what Jerome has done for our club, fine player, but a four year extension in my opinion is not good cap management in this instance.

I would much rather trust our junior pathways and trust the fact there is at least one or two quality halves coming thru our system who in the short will be cheaper and assist in managing our cap better.

 

[Luke Bowden]

For 850k a year that should happen occasionally

Well for starters he had several blinders last year, but that’s not his role, his job is to make the players around him look amazing and be a leader in defence.

 

[Luke Bowden]

A four year deal effectively means he is contracted for the next five years.

Five years is a long time in the NRL, injuries, form no one can say for sure Jerome will be performing at the same level in 2 years never mind five years.

At the same time there is the junior nursery to consider and what happens if we unearth one or two kids who may be the equal Jerome or better. We have to let them go or lose them because of the long term deal Jerome is on.

I love what Jerome has done for our club, fine player, but a four year extension in my opinion is not good cap management in this instance.

I would much rather trust our junior pathways and trust the fact there is at least one or two quality halves coming thru our system who in the short will be cheaper and assist in managing our cap better.

Trust that we will produce another Jerome or just keep Jerome….. that’s a no brainer for me.

 

[Kilkenny]

Trust that we will produce another Jerome or just keep Jerome….. that’s a no brainer for me.

Well for someone who purports to have some knowledge or workings of the game that doesn’t make a lot of sense.

I would suggest a thorough risk assessment from the General Manager having regard to all relevant factors, not limited to age, money, injury, form and critical resigning to our likely success going forward, I would suggest the four year deal you are comfortable with carries with it too much risk. Any such risk assessment would also have to retake into account players who we may not be able to retain as a consequence of a long term deal given to Jerome.

 

[Luke Bowden]

Well for someone who purports to have some knowledge or workings of the game that doesn’t make a lot of sense.

I would suggest a thorough risk assessment from the General Manager having regard to all relevant factors, not limited to age, money, injury, form and critical resigning to our likely success going forward, I would suggest the four year deal you are comfortable with carries with it too much risk. Any such risk assessment would also have to retake into account players who we may not be able to retain as a consequence of a long term deal given to Jerome.

What’s the risk moving forward with Jerome?
Age - No
Injury - Same as anyone
Ability - No, he’s only going to get better
Money - No, 850 is fine for a rep player with 3 NRL titles.
We lose Jnrs - So what

We don’t need to retain players if we keep the best.

Trusting that we can replace him when he leaves, doesn’t mean that you don’t do your best to keeping him now.

 

[Kilkenny]

What’s the risk moving forward with Jerome?
Age - No
Injury - Same as anyone
Ability - No, he’s only going to get better
Money - No, 850 is fine for a rep player with 3 NRL titles.
We lose Jnrs - So what

We don’t need to retain players if we keep the best.

Trusting that we can replace him when he leaves, doesn’t mean that you don’t do your best to keeping him now.

Do you have any understanding of conducting a risk assessment? Obviously not. I thought you might but clearly you do not.

 

[Chins get the wins]

What’s the risk moving forward with Jerome?
Age - No
Injury - Same as anyone
Ability - No, he’s only going to get better
Money - No, 850 is fine for a rep player with 3 NRL titles.
We lose Jnrs - So what

We don’t need to retain players if we keep the best.

Trusting that we can replace him when he leaves, doesn’t mean that you don’t do your best to keeping him now.

I have seen people talk about injuries which is bullshit. As with Nath last year those ones just happen.
The way he played through it in the finals was amazing shit. We probably would have been better just running with Cogger tho but f**k me he showed ticker

 

[Luke Bowden]

Do you have any understanding of conducting a risk assessment? Obviously not. I thought you might but clearly you do not.

I can see that you are attempting to sound like you do, but you’re not really saying anything.
You just sound like the classic corporate type that I deal with on the daily.

Just say what you want to say and stop trying to sound intellectual.

 

[Kilkenny]

I can see that you are attempting to sound like you do, but you’re not really saying anything.
You just sound like the classic corporate type that I deal with on the daily.

Just say what you want to say and stop trying to sound intellectual.

Well it’s common sense really in the salary cap world.

Age - well that is a major risk on a four year extension.
Injury - risk increases with age.
Ability - well that is subjective.
Money - $850k is probably his true market value for 3 years at best.
We lose juniors - So what? Really. The next potential Nathan Cleary and so what?

im not trying to be corporate speak just pointing out what I think is the obvious.

Would I like to see Jerome stay. Yes I would, but at three years maximum. Four year deal is just not good salary cap management.

 

[Chins get the wins]

Well it’s common sense really in the salary cap world.

Age - well that is a major risk on a four year extension.
Injury - risk increases with age.
Ability - well that is subjective.
Money - $850k is probably his true market value for 3 years at best.
We lose juniors - So what? Really. The next potential Nathan Cleary and so what?

im not trying to be corporate speak just pointing out what I think is the obvious.

Would I like to see Jerome stay. Yes I would, but at three years maximum. Four year deal is just not good salary cap management.

I think an additional 3 is pushing it personally

 

[Kilkenny]

I can see that you are attempting to sound like you do, but you’re not really saying anything.
You just sound like the classic corporate type that I deal with on the daily.

Just say what you want to say and stop trying to sound intellectual.

Sorry, I’ve been around a bit in upper management albeit in the public sector, so I am well versed in risk management and the like.

Im actually not trying to be a smart arse. I’m not attempting to put down your point of view.

I am just presenting a different point of view which is we shouldn’t be considering extending the offer we have put on the table for Jerome.

I just don’t think a three or four year extension for Jerome is good business. I really don’t. But at the end of the day it is only my opinion.

 

[Luke Bowden]

Well it’s common sense really in the salary cap world.

Age - well that is a major risk on a four year extension.
Injury - risk increases with age.
Ability - well that is subjective.
Money - $850k is probably his true market value for 3 years at best.
We lose juniors - So what? Really. The next potential Nathan Cleary and so what?

im not trying to be corporate speak just pointing out what I think is the obvious.

Would I like to see Jerome stay. Yes I would, but at three years maximum. Four year deal is just not good salary cap management.

He’ll be 31 at the end of the 4 years. That’s not old. That’s also not old enough to be concerned about age related injuries.

I don’t care if we lose talented Jnrs, I want to keep wining comps. Our system will keep producing players, the next NC or JL are just as likely to be there in 4 years, so worry about that when we need too.

 

[Luke Bowden]

I think an additional 3 is pushing it personally

But why? No one can give me a sensible reason.

I get the impression that people are bored and just want new players to come in.

Personally I’d rather keep winning comps. Jerome is a big part of that.

 

[blue bags]

I heard the Panthers are under stress
With the salary cap

 

[Chins get the wins]

But why? No one can give me a sensible reason.

I get the impression that people are bored and just want new players to come in.

Personally I’d rather keep winning comps. Jerome is a big part of that.

Like I said having 3 from your spine locked up who are all similar age. Nathan is staying and will be our best ever and a top 5 halfback to ever play the sport. I think we need to stagger how we break up this core.
I REALLY want Luai here but only for 2024 + 2 more